Elizabeth Smart--New Suspect, New Thread

Larry King Live; KUTV; Salt Lake Tribune; etc. ^ | December 23, 24, 25, 2002 | Various

[Palladin]

KING: All right, let's talk about the Elizabeth Smart case, which the media has kind of left now. What is your best read on that tragedy in Utah?

WALSH: I spent yesterday by coincidence with Ed and Lois Smart. I had them on "The John Walsh Show" to kind of give an update to the case. You know, Ricci, the guy that was the main suspect, died in prison of an aneurysm. He's the guy that was the handyman at the house that put 1,000 miles on his pickup truck during the two days that she was missing. He was a burglar. He also had a rap sheet, which a lot of the media doesn't understand. He spent 10 years in jail. He tried to blow the head off of a cop with a shotgun. This is a real bad guy.

I hope that he didn't take the secret of Elizabeth Smart to the grave with him. I talked to Ed and Lois yesterday. I said, don't give up hope. Justice delayed isn't justice denied.

What's killing them is the fact of the not knowing. I think they're prepared for the worst. Most parents of missing children are prepared for the worst. But their young daughter has now said that she believes that Ricci wasn't the guy in there that night, that it may have been another guy that did some work on their roof, an itinerant guy that worked at a homeless shelter, and he may be a suspect in this. And I don't want to give away a lot of breaking information here, but "America's Most Wanted" is going to take a look at the Smart case, because I know one thing, we have been able to solve crimes after 10 years.

So I gave the Smarts, you know, the best encouragement I could and said, look, don't give up hope. We'll relook at the case. It is normal for the media tension to die down, and to try to have a good holiday. This is going to be the first Christmas without this beautiful girl, and the Smarts have five other beautiful children. So they're trying to hold that family together.

I said, you know, do the best you can with your five children. Don't give up hope, and, you know what, we'll take another look at this case and try to keep it alive.

[RecentConvert]

MK said, OUR DAD.

You still dont get it. It's not what MK said. reread the posts.

[trussell]

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[Palladin]

Hi, RecentConvert, I'm glad you found this thread. It's always good to hear another viewpoint.

[Sherlock]

No, I'm not Sherlock. I dont know who Sherlock is.

If you knew what lakey thinks of Sherlock you'd know what a slam this accusation was intended to be. You must be pretty smart and a clear thinker if lakey is comparing you to me, keep up the good work. If they ever ask you if you're Jolly Green you'll know you've ultimately ticked them off.

[Sherlock]

You still dont get it.

At least you've got to admit lakey's consistent, she never gets it.

[Sherlock]

Ed did give them the description of the roofer and this link shows the composite sketch police made from the description Ed gave them. I don't know if this article says that but some of the articles said the sketch was made by information given to them by Ed Smart only. There are various articles from this time frame on the Post 250-300 page.

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,455029331,00.html

[lakey]

Place marker - LOL! Waiting for fireworks. Shame on you!

[lakey]

Post #330

Regarding Moul testifying before the Grand Jury, I believe the general consensus here is that he did. Furthermore, RC, the person testifying may speak about his testimony. It is not secret, except concerning the members of the GJ.

Sherl, you'll correct me if I'm wrong.

And, no, I don't think RC is Jolly. Maybe one of his converts, though.

[Lissa2002]

From tonight's America's Most Wanted (2/15/03) Brian David Mitchell's picture is also posted on the AMW site:

Story:

Police are looking for Brian David Mitchell to question him about what he might know about the disappearance of Elizabeth Smart on June 5, 2002 in Salt Lake City, Utah.

In October 2002, police received information about a man known only as "Emmanuel" who may have information about Elizabeth's disappearance. In the middle of that month, the Smarts' nine-year-old daughter, Mary Katherine, came to her parents indicating this may be the man who took Elizabeth. The Smarts' had met "Emmanuel" in downtown Salt Lake City as a homeless man. The man told Edward Smart (Elizabeth's father) that he and his sister were staying with someone in the valley and that they were traveling to different cities preaching to the homeless. Edward offered the man some day labor work at his home. "Emmanuel" took a bus to a stop close to their home and then walked to the house. He worked for five hours, helping on the roof and raking leaves. He has not been seen since. Law enforcement has tried to locate him, for questioning, but has been unsuccessful. A composite drawing was made from Edward's recollection from the previous year. Edward stated, "We are not saying this is the individual who kidnapped Elizabeth, however we encourage this individual, as we have all workers in the house, to come forward to be interviewed by law enforcement."

Based on the sketch, police later got a tip from a woman who says she is "Emmanuel's" sister. She informed cops that "Emmanuel's" real name is Brian David Mitchell. He changed his name to David Emmanuel Isiah for religious purposes. He is homeless and believed to be traveling with his wife, Wanda. They usually travel south in the winter to search for work in warmer climates.

[RecentConvert]

Thanks Palladin.

I've been reading some of the past threads and I notice that some suspect Elizabeth's parents were somehow involved in her disappearance. So far, I haven't seen/read a shred of evidence that points the finger to them. So until I read of any modicum of evidence that points to the parents I will continue defending these devasted parents. But I'm open to any theory if rational.

I just cannot fathom the idea that Ed and Lois would bring this tragedy upon themselves and their children and Elizabeth's friends, classmates and aquaintances. Naturally, if it turns out the parents were involved they should pay as the law deems appropriate.

I'm, as I'm sure all of us, are interested in the safe return of Elizabeth and I hope for the best and prepare for the worst.

[RecentConvert]

Sherlock,

I've read many of your posts and I'm priviledged and honored to be compared to you.

[RecentConvert]

"Emmanuel" identified as Brian David Mitchell, aka David Emmanuel Isiah.

[RecentConvert]

"Emmanuel" identified as Brian David Mitchell, aka David Emmanuel Isiah.

[RecentConvert]

"Emmanuel" identified as Brian David Mitchell, aka David Emmanuel Isiah.

[Devil_Anse]

Thanks, Lissa2002.

After reading the very interesting article you posted, I noted with amusement this last sentence of it, speaking about where Emmanuel and his companion might currently be:

"They usually travel south in the winter to search for work in warmer climates.

Isn't THAT the truth! Anyone who visits "warmer climates" in the winter--or during other prime tourism months--will find such places crawling with "homeless people." If you're chronically unable to have a home, I think you usually end up telling yourself, "Well, if I'm gonna be homeless, I might as well be homeless someplace scenic."

It's one of those fringe benefits of being homeless--you can be wherever you want to be, whenever you want to be there.

[Devil_Anse]

Thanks for the ping!

Now they can find Emmanuel--or Brian David Mitchell. If he really lives the lifestyle they said, he probably comes to the notice of various police departments on a regular basis.

Hey, about the question of how could Mary Catherine see that the man had slicked-back hair when he was wearing a cap: I'm confused, b/c I was thinking that it was ED who gave the police the description of Emmanuel, complete with slicked-back hair. So why would that be suspect? I just assume Ed had the chance to see the guy without a hat.

I can't imagine that this Emmanuel would turn kidnapper and do all that, after spending only a total of about 5 hours with the Smarts. But maybe he can at least give the police some information about other workers. And if by chance he IS into kidnapping young girls, by now there would probably be more than just one suspicious incident somehow connected to him. I mean, if people disappear when he's in an area, seems like someone might finally put together the pieces.

[FR_addict]

"What detailed description did Ed provide? Did he provide it only to you? I haven't read anything about Ed providing a detailed description of this man. Could you point us all to this info?"

Been busy with other things. I guess by now, you know that Ed was the one that provided the description on Emmanuel and he provided it to everyone.

[FR_addict]

"How does Brigette know what Moul testified to in the GJ?"

I was posting a previous post I found interesting.
As I noted, it was Brigette's post, so I'll ping her about your questions.

"And how did Brigette got hold of this secret testimony? You know what, it's not that I think she made it up, SHE MADE IT UP! Unless someone can show me that the two quotes were made by Moul at the GJ, they are invented quotes."

Lakey posted an answer to your post below. As far as I know, Lakey has the correct understanding about Grand Jury testimony. Again, I'll just ping Brigette ans aask her if she wants to reply to your post.

"Regarding Moul testifying before the Grand Jury, I believe the general consensus here is that he did. Furthermore, RC, the person testifying may speak about his testimony. It is not secret, except concerning the members of the GJ."

[Palladin]

Thanks for the info on Emmanuel's real identity.

I think the guy is another red herring.

I feel sorry for Ed Smart. He is grasping at straws.

[lakey]

I was wrong, Neenah! First time in ages.