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Evolution Disclaimer Supported
The Advocate (Baton Rouge) ^
| 12/11/02
| WILL SENTELL
Posted on 12/11/2002 6:28:08 AM PST by A2J
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To: B. Rabbit
They are trying to say that if science does not use god, because it can't, so if you believe in science, you therefore must believe that god does not exist.
IT DOES NOT matter that science does NOT even ask the question whether god exists, just so long as it does not use him, therefore if we believe what science discovers, we must not believe in some supreme being.
Interesting that, but I run across that with a lot of them here. Believe in scientific discoveries, you don't believe in god, believe in god, you cannot believe in scientific discoveries, when it comes to evolution that is.
Electronics, gravity, physics, hey, no trouble, but evolution? YOU ARE AN ATHEIST!!!
To: Physicist
What an embarrassingly petty and thin-skinned cartoon you scribble of your Lord. That can't possibly please Him. You never fail to find better words for things I'm thinking. What a small, petty God is being presented here. Everyone with a skeptical mind or a shred of curiosity is damned for eternity.
To: Tribune7
But it can't be disputed that the phrase [The Theory of Evolution] is often used -- correctly -- to mean "a process in which the whole universe is a progression of interrelated phenomena." [insertion to make clear what the antecedent phrase was]
I DO dispute it. My copy of Webster's New Universal Unabridged Dictionary contains no such definition for the "Theory of Evolution"... in fact, the "Theory of Evolution" isn't even an entry.
The word "evolution" IS, on the other hand well defined, and ONE of those definitions is: "any process of formation or growth; development," which clearly can be used in reference to a wide range of subjects, e.g., the "evolution" of language, the "evolution" of culture, the "evolution" of biological entities, "evolution" of the space program, stellar "evolution," and yes, even "evolution" of the Universe, i.e., cosmological "evolution."
But neither the phrase "Theory of evolution" nor the the word "evolution" is synonymous with Cosmology, and I've never seen a competent modern science text use the phrase "Theory of Evolution" in a cosmological context.
So, in conclusion, the word "evolution" can be used to characterize any process of formation or growth; but by itself, it does not mean "the formation and growth of the Universe."
To: B. Rabbit
Are you saying that China has never been more advanced technologically than the West A.D.? Are you also implying that B.C. Greco Roman Europe wasn't the most scientifically advanced culture in the world for it's time despite the absence of Christianity? No, I'm saying the most important discoveries were made in the Christian West. Why? Because Christianity is a unifying worldview - the entire universe is ordered by God so that man can comprehend it to a certain extent. Under hinduism, buddhism, taoism, etc., there is no unified worldview, therefore, broad theories cannot develop. Simple. The Romans didn't really discover anything - they were good architects and engineers, that is about it. The Greeks did come up with some important mathematical theories (Euclidian Geometry, etc.), but the biggest theories were after Christianity took hold, after the "scientific method" was developed. Who developed that by the way? And why don't evolutionists follow it?
To: whattajoke
I ask them this question all the time (it never gets answered). It will continue to amaze me that these people are so scared/guilty/whatever of a world without their version of god, and that somehow suddenly all laws cease to exist. It is my intention in life to show the world that yes, an atheist can be just as "moral" and law abiding as the best christian. The egos involved are just sickening. Exactly. A person's honor and integrity (or lack thereof) has little relation to their religious views.
To: music_code
Second, there are only two sides to this fence. Being new does not absolve you from reading the thread from the beginning. Many of us have been here for several years.
This is not a fence. There are many mansions here.
To: exmarine
Ever think that to the individuals involved, they and their kith and kin have worth? I mean, with humans being social critters and all it behooves us to stick together in groups and treating others as worthwhile helps to cement the ties of the group? But, in the eyes of the universe we are all pretty much nothing? I think it's really all a matter of scale.
To: Aric2000
I am not dogmatic about anything, creationists are clueless because they choose to be clueless. GODDIDIT is the easiest way to explain anything. Haha. YOu are building a straw man here (the "goddidit" straw man) so you can tear it down. This is a ridiculous oversimplification of the creationist position. You have yet to explain many things I have presented to you. I ask you again: Where do human beings get their value?
To: All
Just an observation: There's a pretty heated debate going on here, but it's pretty much on point. Folks actually seem to be reading and trying to understand what is being said before posting. Who's missing?
To: SwordofTruth
Sez who? There are volumes.
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01/06/2003 2:02:44 PM PST
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stanz
To: js1138
The meek shall inherit the Earth. The rest of us get the universe.
To: whattajoke
Yupp, it also amazes me that these people stubbornly maintain that there simply cannot be any meaning to life if their version of god does not exist. In that case I like to confront them with this two-liner I found somewhere on the net:
"Humans breed pigs for a purpose -- making bacon.
Does that make a pig's life meaningful for the pig?"
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posted on
01/06/2003 2:04:41 PM PST
by
BMCDA
To: exmarine
Looking beyond your sarcasm (red herring), you have just admitted that you and your family have no worth. So, why can't you live like they don't? It seems you have a problem. 1. No sarcasm intended. Read it again.
2. "No intrinsic value" does not mean "no value". Don't get ahead of yourself.
3. I have previously stated "I value them". I just don't value you. End of point.
3-0 for me but I guess you're used to that.
To: music_code
Second, there are only two sides to this fence. The only options are evolution or Creation. Since you obviously reject Creation, you have nowhere else to go but evolution.
BS, pure and unadultered BS, there is much more then creationism, only your conceit and arrogance in your religion allows you to make such a statement.
There are many religions and many different creation myths, there is also solipsism, whereas, you exist, only because I created you in my mind, my world exists because I made the whole thing up, in essence, I AM GOD, I can name a number of other different points of view as well. Unlike you, I have an open mind, and can study other religions and not prostletize my own, as if mine is the end all, be all of the universe.
There are MANY different philisophical and religious explanations for creation, but evolution is NOT one of them.
Evolution is a scientific theory that explains how the first life on this planet evolved over billions of years, to the life that we have on the planet now. It does NOT seek to explain how that first life form came to be, that is for the purview of chemistry and biology and genetics. Evolution just tries to put the pieces that we have, and put them together in a cohesive and logical whole.
Life was here, that is how evolution starts, not, "this is what created life", but life was here, and it changed over time. That is the foundation of evolution, life was here, and it changed.
It is science. To say that evolution isn't science, is intellectual dishonesty and sorry, just plain STUPIDITY!!
To: js1138
Because LBB ain't here.
To: whattajoke
LOL! I just try to imagine the reaction of my grand children (maybe in some 40+ years) when I'm telling them about the Good Ole Times ;^D
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posted on
01/06/2003 2:11:57 PM PST
by
BMCDA
To: exmarine
Where do human beings get their value?
While you didn't ask this question of me, I'll jump in anyway. Seeing as though my job involves population modeling, life expectancy theory, complex linear algebra and endless matrices, I can tell you quite confidently human beings get their monetary worth from people like me. But I guess that's not what you're asking. You are weak, despite your supposed "ex-marine" status, so you need to validate your life with a diety. Good for you. By stating that only those like you have any earthly value, you are thereby stating about 5 billion humans have no value. Christian Love if I've ever heard it! </sarcasm
So... before you became born again or whatever you are, you had no worth? You didn't value life? you killed baby bunnies and punched old ladies? Of course not (I hope), so don't pretend those of us who don't subscribe to your warped world view are "worthless."
and btw, your dismissal of all the advances before Christianity is a new level of smugness I've yet to see. Congrats.
To: Aric2000
Bump to watch the creationists get stupid again. Bump to watch the evolutionists prove that they are fools.
To: Physicist
Evolution, on the other hand, makes instant intuitive sense. For a fool it does.
To: SwordofTruth
3300... trying to beat fchristian.
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