[whattajoke]

Where do human beings get their value?

While you didn't ask this question of me, I'll jump in anyway. Seeing as though my job involves population modeling, life expectancy theory, complex linear algebra and endless matrices, I can tell you quite confidently human beings get their monetary worth from people like me. But I guess that's not what you're asking. You are weak, despite your supposed "ex-marine" status, so you need to validate your life with a diety. Good for you. By stating that only those like you have any earthly value, you are thereby stating about 5 billion humans have no value. Christian Love if I've ever heard it! </sarcasm

So... before you became born again or whatever you are, you had no worth? You didn't value life? you killed baby bunnies and punched old ladies? Of course not (I hope), so don't pretend those of us who don't subscribe to your warped world view are "worthless."

and btw, your dismissal of all the advances before Christianity is a new level of smugness I've yet to see. Congrats.

[exmarine]

You are weak, despite your supposed "ex-marine" status, so you need to validate your life with a diety. Ad hominem - logical fallacy. But to answer your question, yes, God (Jesus Christ) does fulfill every single need as a human being. Your problem is that your life cannot be validated without God - you are just a meaningless piece of clay. Why can't you live your life like you and your family are a piece of clay? You can't have any realy intrinsic (not monetary) worth without God. You, like the rest of the atheistic darwinists on this thread live a hopeless dichotomy becuase it is impossible to live your lives as if they had no meaning, yet at the same time, in order to be consistent in your worldview, you would have to! Am I weak? Yes, I am - I recognize I am finite and fragile and need God's love. And I'm not ashamed to say so.