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Mexican Consulate Opens In Downtown Indianapolis. (Shop after shop, sign after sign in Spanish)
WISHTV 8 ^ | 11-2-02

Posted on 11/22/2002 3:20:37 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf

The Mexican Consulate in Indianapolis will be open for business Monday. It's an office that will serve a group of people that's growing rapidly in our city and state. Mayor Bart Peterson's office has worked for about two years with the Mexican government and the state of Indiana to get this consulate opened.

You don't have to look hard to see why the consulate is needed. Drive down Washington Street a few miles west of downtown, and you'll see the fruits of our Hispanic and Latino community's labor. Shop after shop, sign after sign in Spanish. There are now some 34,000 Latinos and Hispanics in Indianapolis, and 60% of them are Mexican.

"We have an education system that welcomes the immigrants and we like the way we are treated because we find that the American community is welcoming in general," said Roberto Curci, La Guia Magazine.

The city even has two publications geared toward this growing community. "The Voice of Indiana," a bilingual newspaper and "The Guide of Indianapolis," a magazine for Hispanics and Latinos. There's even a new Hispanic and Latino yellow pages.

Local businesses are forging ties with that community. Kroger just donated a van to the Hispanic Center of Indianapolis to thank them for translation help that the center has provided for the grocery chain.

"As we change and we are changing as a city, I think it was important for business to recognize that and we have recognized it," said Jeff Golc, Kroger.

The change will continue. Just ask the woman who helps run the grocery store on West Washington Street. New Hispanic and Latino customers come in for her authentic products all the time.

"Like once in a while there will be somebody new that comes. You know, like, "Oh, we just moved here and we came to see how it is." So yeah, we always get new people that come here," said Irasema Delgado, store manager.

The Mexican Consulate will serve three states: Indiana, Ohio, and Kentucky. It will serve as the Mexican government's primary link with those states on issues such as immigration, trade and economic development.


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To: FITZ
Could have fooled me. That's litterally the first time I've seen you say something nice about any Mexican at all. That's pretty close to my position, except I don't see an invasion of any type by any subgroup. Most crimes in this country are still being committed by blacks. Mexicans are by and large contributing well to our culture, and as a minority group in America are one of the better behaved.

When I see that Mexico is putting a consulate in Indianapolis my conclusion is that Indies major push to have year round tourism (they've built a kick ass new convention center and have been stealing conventions from all over the place) is working. Tourist places are a natural gravity for consulates, they go places where a lot of your citizens are going, because they exist to help your citizens in foreign countries.
401 posted on 11/23/2002 2:40:35 PM PST by discostu
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To: discostu
Since you are quite obviously lacking in researching skills, I searched Google - the results are HERE.
402 posted on 11/23/2002 2:41:38 PM PST by sarcasm
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To: FITZ
Castro dumped tens of thousands of people on America, don't you remember the boat people invasion? One of the high points of the Carter presidency.

You should see some of the almost ghost towns in America. Populations are consolidating all over the place, there's more money and jobs in bigger cities. I've watched Tombstone dry up and blow away during my periodic visits, if it wasn't for their various excuses for massive tourism the place would have ceased to exist last decade, as it is I'll be amazed if it's still around in 2010. Douglas and Sierra Vista are going through similar things. Doesn't necessarily have anything to do with immigration.
403 posted on 11/23/2002 2:46:49 PM PST by discostu
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To: Joe Hadenuf
You can't read. I'm comparing the Mexican government making demands with the French government making demands. The Mexican government wants us to extend our idiotic socialist government programs to their citizens, the French government doesn't want us to execute OUR OWN citizens. Both are pretty f'd up, but you can't really blame the Mexican government for OUR socialism.
404 posted on 11/23/2002 2:52:51 PM PST by discostu
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To: sarcasm
I do great research, but I'm not the one making allegations so it's not my turn. Cute a google search. How bloody useless.
405 posted on 11/23/2002 2:54:12 PM PST by discostu
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To: Joe Hadenuf; discostu
Key word being insulting. It's insulting to me to see these martricula consular cards being handed out at Mexican consulates which in reality are forward command centers for the Mexican invasion of the USA. This is America. What the heck is some foreign embassy doing handing out these IDs to Mexican illegal aliens? This would not have been tolerated 20 years ago when an ass such as Jimmy Carter was president.

Martricula consular cards are a conspiracy between Bush and Fox to make a defacto amnesty for Mexican criminals. Illegal aliens are criminals.

406 posted on 11/23/2002 2:57:26 PM PST by dennisw
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To: sarcasm
Nice google search too. Your first 4 links are 2 from an anti-immigration site, 1 from an anti-multiculturalism site, and 1 from the guys that assured us The Torch would be arrested by July 4 2001.

Crap, crap and more crap. Got anything from REPUTABLE sources that can actually bring forth verifiable evidence? Or just lots of opinion peices from organizations that agree with your position?
407 posted on 11/23/2002 2:58:40 PM PST by discostu
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To: discostu
Hardly useless if you had bothered to look at more than one page of links - you do know how to do that don't you?

Mexican Immigrants Swarm for New IDs

CHICAGO — Mexican immigrants, many of them illegal, have found a new way to prove their identity in the new era of security in the United States. The Mexican Consulate Office has started issuing identification cards called a matricula consular to any Mexicans who apply for the ID.

Since Sept. 11, demand for the matricula has spiked, with immigrants standing in line for hours each day. The Chicago consulate said it has been issuing 300 cards daily.

"There are certain needs we have that can be met with a matricula," said Jesus Romero, an illegal alien who recently stood on line with dozens of other immigrants to get the card that essentially guarantees better access to U.S. public and private institutions.

The matricula can be used to file a police report in several states. In others, matricula ID holders can use the card as one of two pieces of identification needed to apply for a driver's license.

Critics warn these cards send a dangerous signal that America is the land of too much opportunity and too little security since the card allows illegal immigrants more legitimacy to stay in the United States, breaking U.S. law.

"Pulling out this Mexican consular ID should be the same as holding up a sign that says, 'INS, arrest me, I am an illegal alien,'" said David Ray, associate director of the Federation for American Immigration Reform.

"What we are doing is giving a reliable document to our people for identification for whatever reason they need it," said Carlos Sada, Mexico's Consul General.

Getting a matricula requires only a Mexican birth certificate and some proof of U.S. residency.

With a matricula and an employee tax ID number, Mexican immigrants can open accounts at dozens of banks nationwide even without a Social Security number. The accounts afford relatives access to U.S. dollars through automated teller machines in Mexico.

"One of the objectives is to bring the Hispanic population into mainstream banking and mainstream financial services," said Roberto Herencia of Banco Popular of North America.

The consular office's policy is not to ask applicants if they are here illegally, nor to share any of this information with the U.S. government. The Mexican government argues that Mexicans deserve the best quality of life in the United States and a matricula gets them on their way.

"It is not the job of the Mexican government to see who is legally or illegally in any other country," Sada said.

"Issuing these cards and giving illegal aliens some form of recognized identity cards makes life here a little bit easier, therefore, making it just a little bit more enticing for people to break laws in the future," Ray said

408 posted on 11/23/2002 3:08:43 PM PST by sarcasm
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To: discostu
That's pretty close to my position

Where I live ---closer to the border than you are --actually I'm right on the border there is more an invasion because Americans (anglo and hispanic) are leaving the area and people from Juarez are moving in. They'll even complain that first they came to Juarez --from some place else and then Juarez got bad. Then they moved over to El Paso and now El Paso's bad so they don't know where to go next. It's like a never ending cycle, as Mexico moves north it's problems follow. To me it's time everything stop, make some long overdue reforms and get things headed in the right direction.

Also I see too much effects from the illegal drug trade to believe Mexican society will benefit us much in any way. That doesn't mean the guy working all day picking chiles and onions is a very bad type but the housing projects here are also filled with many more welfare types who have come directly from Mexico. I guess I just live where the welfare ones seem to outnumber the farmworker ones.

409 posted on 11/23/2002 3:12:24 PM PST by FITZ
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To: sarcasm
Again you're making the alegations it's YOU'RE job to do the research. The fact that it take TWO DAYS of hounding to get one of you guys to FINALLY cough up some potentially useful information is really telling. Now note this important line:
With a matricula and an employee tax ID number, Mexican immigrants can open accounts at dozens of banks nationwide even without a Social Security number.

An employee tax ID number implies LEGAL residency, or a good set of forged paperwork.
410 posted on 11/23/2002 3:21:01 PM PST by discostu
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To: FITZ
Jaurez was a sh!thole the only time I went (1990) much prefer Nogie, not sure how Jaurez could possibly go downhill from there, unless maybe it had an upswing first. I go down to Nogie periodically, always been mostly Mexican on both sides of the border, Tucson is the first town inward from there, nothing happening. I recognize that CA is getting inundated, but with their moronic policies this should come as no suprise (if you go out of your way to make illegal immigrants welcome, especially the ones seeking welfare, you shouldn't act upset when they show up in droves).

The illegal drug trade isn't about Mexico, it's about a HIGHLY lucrative but illegal source of income. The drug trade's pretty psycho no matter who's involved, throw that kind of thing someplace that's poor and it's a bad combination. But the problem is still created by the promise of fast money. Same crap has happened to every culture that's gotten mixed up in it.
411 posted on 11/23/2002 3:27:10 PM PST by discostu
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To: discostu
Anyone can get an ITIN from the IRS for use as an employee ID number, even illegals. The IRS wants everyone to pay their taxes, and they are not the INS - they don't deal with citizenship issues, except anyone with an ITIN will not be eligible for the earned income credit. A friend of mine runs the IRS' public service counter and she said that when the EIC first come out, hordes of mexicans came to the IRS for ITINs.
412 posted on 11/23/2002 3:31:53 PM PST by SCalGal
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To: SCalGal
Funny how the deeper you dig into this the more the problem seems to eminate from our own idiocy. Why am I not suprised that the IRS is more than happy to help you pay taxes, even if that means you're staying in the country illegally?
413 posted on 11/23/2002 3:41:58 PM PST by discostu
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To: discostu
Another lie:

IRS Is Subverting Immigration Controls Agency's Taxpayer ID Number Available to Millions of Illegal Aliens

WASHINGTON (November 18, 2002) -- While Americans anxiously avoid the attention of the Internal Revenue Service (IRS), that agency is providing cover to 9 million illegal aliens in the United States. By providing illegal aliens with a government-issued identity number, used in lieu of a Social Security number, the IRS is subverting the immigration law, undermining national security, and thwarting efforts by other federal agencies to cooperate in homeland security efforts.

These are among the conclusions of "Giving Cover to Illegal Aliens: IRS Tax ID Numbers Subvert Immigration Law," a new report by Ms. Marti Dinerstein, president of Immigration Matters, a public-policy analysis firm in New York, and a fellow at the Center for Immigration Studies.

Dinerstein found that the IRS decided in 1996 to treat illegal immigrants as "resident aliens" based on their "substantial presence" in the U.S., thus rendering them eligible for the Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN). The ITIN is intended as a substitute to the Social Security number for tax purposes only, but it has turned into an official identity number used by illegal aliens to open bank accounts and, in some instances, obtain drivers licenses.

The 9/11 hijackers benefited from a flourishing market in fraudulent documents catering to America’s record-high illegal-alien population by easily acquiring real or fake driver’s licenses and Social Security numbers. Now an agency of the federal government is broadening access by illegal aliens to documents that aid in laundering their residency status. In 1999, the Treasury Department’s Inspector General for Tax Administration noted this contradiction, saying that the IRS policy of issuing ITINs to illegal aliens "seems counter-productive to the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) mission to identify and prevent unlawful entry."

The IRS policy, Dinerstein contends, also runs counter to the Social Security Administration’s recent efforts to stem unlawful use of Social Security numbers (SSN). That agency has taken steps to limit the purposes for which an SSN can be issued and to better validate the underlying "breeder" documents presented to obtain an SSN. This past summer, the agency mailed out more than 750,000 letters to employers of approximately 7 million workers whose names did not match the SSN provided.

"The IRS is giving cover to illegal aliens by pretending that the ITIN is solely for tax purposes, when in actuality it is commonly used to establish official identity," Dinerstein said. "This policy also violates the USA Patriot Act by withholding information from the INS and the Social Security Administration about the fraudulent activity of illegal aliens," she added.

414 posted on 11/23/2002 3:44:51 PM PST by sarcasm
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To: Joe Hadenuf
I live in Indy also...and all I can say about Mayor Bart Petersen is...quoting a Canadian spokeman...oops sorry spokesperson..."a moron".
415 posted on 11/23/2002 6:02:42 PM PST by BRushisright
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To: BRushisright
"BRushisright signed up 2002-11-24."

How did you accomplish this time warp?

416 posted on 11/23/2002 6:24:57 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
Wow I didn't notice that till now. Maybe I should watch the football games scheduled for tomorrow, and place HUGE wagers?
417 posted on 11/23/2002 7:50:55 PM PST by BRushisright
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To: BRushisright
LOL.....
418 posted on 11/23/2002 8:49:52 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Get used to it.

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20021123-42336600.htm
419 posted on 11/24/2002 4:12:45 AM PST by AmericaAmerica
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Get used to it.

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20021123-42336600.htm
420 posted on 11/24/2002 4:18:00 AM PST by AmericaAmerica
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