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Yale libertarian plans drastic 'Free State Project'
Yale Daily News ^ | Wednesday, October 23, 2002 | EMILY ANTHES

Posted on 10/23/2002 1:04:07 AM PDT by Roscoe

Frustrated by the Libertarian Party's failure to make progress nationally, Jason Sorens GRD '04 decided the best course of action would be to take over Wyoming. Or maybe Alaska.

The plan, which Sorens calls "The Free State Project," is ambitious. It calls for moving 20,000 people -- including the one additional Yalie who has signed on so far -- over the next nine years to a sparsely populated state where they would take to the ballot boxes in order to repeal most drug and gun laws, eliminate the income tax, and privatize most government-run industries.

So in July 2001, he posted an essay on the project on the Internet. Within a few days, he had over 200 e-mails from people who were interested.

"The response was positively overwhelming," he said.

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Perhaps he should start with something less ambitious, like buying a Denny's.
1 posted on 10/23/2002 1:04:07 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
I'm glad to see a Libertarian do something besides play spoiler while clinging onto the Republican party.
2 posted on 10/23/2002 1:20:51 AM PDT by #3Fan
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To: Roscoe
A slightly less ambitious way to go might be to target a single county or two in Texas and secede from that state, forming a new state in the process. (Is there a provision in the acceptance of Texas to the Union which permits that?... not a Texas expert, obviously...)
3 posted on 10/23/2002 1:23:59 AM PDT by SteveH
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Also, some Texas counties I heard are sparsely populated...
4 posted on 10/23/2002 1:25:05 AM PDT by SteveH
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To: #3Fan
I wonder what Wyoming would be like if he succeeded?

I'm thinking Lord Of The Flies.

5 posted on 10/23/2002 1:27:02 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: SteveH
Section 3. New states may be admitted by the Congress into this union; but no new states shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other state; nor any state be formed by the junction of two or more states, or parts of states, without the consent of the legislatures of the states concerned as well as of the Congress.

Article 4 section 3 U.S. Constitution
6 posted on 10/23/2002 1:41:18 AM PDT by ganesha
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To: Roscoe
I wonder what Wyoming would be like if he succeeded? I'm thinking Lord Of The Flies.

I'd like to see them try it, to tell you the truth. If they could draw all the Libertarians across the country into Wyoming then make drugs legal, then that would draw a bunch of liberals from every state into Wyoming that love drugs more than their liberal philosophy. But liberals would eventually outnumber the Libertarians and they'd end up with Wyoming being a statist hellhole where the only freedoms would be for abortion and drug use. The rest of the country would be a few degrees more conservative, maybe enough to institute a flat tax, scale down federal government, deregulation, end affirmative action racism, etc. I don't want to sound like Hillary, but if it weren't for the harm to the children (Lord of the Flies anarchy), I think it'd be a good thing for the country. :^)

7 posted on 10/23/2002 1:44:44 AM PDT by #3Fan
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(Is there a provision in the acceptance of Texas to the Union which permits that?... not a Texas expert, obviously...)

There's no such thing as an admission agreement. The Constitution is the law of the land. Texas may have thought they had an admission agreement, but unless the Constitution was amended before Texas was admitted, too late.

8 posted on 10/23/2002 1:47:31 AM PDT by #3Fan
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The rest of the country would be a few degrees more conservative, maybe enough to institute a flat tax, scale down federal government, deregulation, end affirmative action racism, etc.

Hey, maybe this ain't such a bad idea after all!!

9 posted on 10/23/2002 1:47:33 AM PDT by Roscoe
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Nope, the idea is juvenile, impossible to actually implikment, and would spell dissaster ! Federal Laws, whether we likke it, or not, supercede states' lawss andx the legalization of dope ( all forms of now ikllegal substances ) would bring down the arfm of the Fed Gov, big time. Bedsides, think of what such a thing would bring to Wyoming ; a heaven for the Crips / Bloods / etc. and complete " LORD OF THE FLIES " anarchy.
10 posted on 10/23/2002 1:58:33 AM PDT by nopardons
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There's no such thing as an admission agreement.

There was an a Joint Resolution of Annexation of Texas.

Begun and held at the city of Washington, in the District of Columbia, on Monday the second day of December, eighteen hundred and forty-four.

Joint Resolution for annexing Texas to the United States.

Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That Congress doth consent that the territory properly included within, and rightfully belonging to the Republic of Texas, may be erected into a new state, to be called the state of Texas, with a republican form of government, to be adopted by the people of said republic, by deputies in Convention assembled, with the consent of the existing government, in order that the same may be admitted as one of the states of this Union.

2. And be it further resolved, That the foregoing consent of Congress is given upon the following conditions, and with the following guarantees, to wit: First-said state to be formed, subject to the adjustment by this government of all questions of boundary that may arise with other governments; and the constitution thereof, with the proper evidence of its adoption by the people of said republic of Texas, shall be transmitted to the President of the United States, to be laid before Congress for its final action, on or before the first day of January, one thousand eight hundred and forty-six. Second-said state, when admitted into the Union, after ceding to the United States all public edifices, fortifications, barracks, ports and harbors, navy and navy-yards, docks, magazines, arms, armaments, and all other property and means pertaining to the public defence belonging to said republic of Texas, shall retain all the public funds, debts, taxes, and dues of every kind which may belong to or be due and owing said republic; and shall also retain all the vacant and unappropriated lands lying within its limits, to be applied to the payment of the debts and liabilities of said republic of Texas; and the residue of said lands, after discharging said debts and liabilities, to be disposed of as said state may direct; but in no event are said debts and liabilities to become a charge upon the government of the United States. Third- New states, of convenient size, not exceeding four in number, in addition to said state of Texas, and having sufficient population, may hereafter, by the consent of said state, be formed out of the territory thereof, which shall be entitled to admission under the provisions of the federal constitution. And such states as may be formed out of that portion of said territory lying south of thirty-six degrees thirty minutes north latitude, commonly known as the Missouri compromise line, shall be admitted into the Union with or without slavery, as the people of each state asking admission may desire. And in such state or states as shall be formed out of said territory north of said Missouri compromise line, slavery, or involuntary servitude, (except for crime,) shall be prohibited.

3. And be it further resolved, That if the President of the United States shall in his judgment and discretion deem it most advisable, instead of proceeding submit the foregoing resolution to the Republic of Texas, as an overture on the part of the United States for admission, to negotiate with that Republic; then, Be it resolved, that a state, to be formed out of the present Republic of Texas, with suitable extent and boundaries, and with two representatives in Congress, until the next apportionment of representation, shall be admitted into the Union, by virtue of this act, on an equal footing with the existing states, as soon as the terms and conditions of such admission, and the cession of the remaining Texan territory to the United States shall be agreed upon by the governments of Texas and the United States: And that the sum of one hundred thousand dollars be, and the same is hereby, appropriated to defray the expenses of missions and negotiations, to agree upon the terms of said admission and cession, either by treaty to be submitted to the Senate, or by articles to be submitted to the two Houses of Congress, as the President may direct.

J W JONES Speaker of the House of Representatives.
WILLIE P. MANGUM President, pro tempore, of the Senate.
Approv'd March 1. 1845 JOHN TYLER


11 posted on 10/23/2002 2:14:33 AM PDT by dread78645
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But Article IV, Section 3 wasn't amended, so the Supreme Court would throw out as unconstitutional any action by Texas, without the approval of Congress, to divide itself.
12 posted on 10/23/2002 2:23:22 AM PDT by #3Fan
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To: Roscoe
Isn't that what happened in Vermont? Didn't a bunch of leftists from Boston and New Yawk move there and take it over? Or are Vermonters naturally socialist and morally bankrupt (homosexual "unions")?
13 posted on 10/23/2002 3:50:26 AM PDT by FourteenthProfile
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To: FourteenthProfile
Touche'.
14 posted on 10/23/2002 3:52:38 AM PDT by RightOnline
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To: ganesha
I guess that means West Virginia does not exist.
;O)
15 posted on 10/23/2002 3:54:20 AM PDT by metesky
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To: Roscoe
Libertarians should start with a goal that, while challenging, might actually be achievable.

Putting down the huka for one whole weekend.

16 posted on 10/23/2002 3:57:00 AM PDT by ChadGore
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To: FourteenthProfile
That's what the California Liberials are trying to do in
Colorado.......
17 posted on 10/23/2002 4:47:41 AM PDT by Governor
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To: Roscoe
How have you reached that conclusion?
18 posted on 10/23/2002 4:53:33 AM PDT by Jason Kauppinen
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To: #3Fan; Roscoe
I'd like to see them try it, to tell you the truth. ---
--- The rest of the country would be a few degrees more conservative, maybe enough to institute a flat tax, scale down federal government, deregulation, end affirmative action racism, etc.
I don't want to sound like Hillary, but if it weren't for the harm to the children (Lord of the Flies anarchy), I think it'd be a good thing for the country. - 7

Hey, maybe this ain't such a bad idea after all!! - 9 - roscoe

Sorry fellas, but you two "sound like hillary" ALL the time. But we agree! This is an idea whose time has come.
- It may indeed be achieveable on a county wide scale in some states.

19 posted on 10/23/2002 8:48:27 AM PDT by tpaine
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To: #3Fan
Seems to me what he posted IS approval from Congress.
20 posted on 10/23/2002 8:53:11 AM PDT by Sloth
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