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Our Republic and Our Free Republic
9-6-02 | Joe Phillips

Posted on 09/06/2002 8:17:16 AM PDT by BADJOE

History teaches some very good lessons. They are hard to learn but our forefathers did a great job.

From the beginning of time man has overthrown one form of centralized government only to re-establish another one in its place. Our forefathers understood this far better than anyone ever had. They said governments are the eternal enemy of free men. They said that in order for man to remain free it would take a bloody revolution every other generation, unless you bound down (bastard) government with the chains of the constitution.

On another site this week a poster asked if anyone else hated government as much as he did. I replied to him

"Hell !! I thought you were not a good American if you didn't love our country and hate our government.

At least that is how I have always felt about it"

I think our forefathers had the same attitude that I have now. And I think it is inherent in the average Americans attitude to distrust and have disdain for any government, including ours. One of the hardest conclusions I had to arrive at as a young man, after having been a product of the public school system, was that our government was not on our side. As James Forrestahl, former secretary of the Navy, who suffered a mysterious death, once said about our State Department's foreign policy, " Stupidity is never a mark of consistancy. If they were merely stupid, they would occasionally make a mistake in our favor".

Newt Gringrich put it in a humourous manner when talking about the attitude of Europeans. He related the following story. If you go to Europe and drive on the Autobahn, you feel pretty good cruising down the highway at 100 mph when some some German passes you doing 140 mph. Now he said if the Bundestag passed the 55mph speed limit law, every German would dutifully obey that law, untill the next election. They would vote the 55 mph crowd out of office and the no speed limit crowd in. In America Newt said "A speed limit sign is a benchmark of opportunity.

It is obvious that Yankees and Euros have entirely different attitudes about government's edicts. There are darn few Americans who do not break the speed limit laws everyday.

Now we come to the Free Republic. Once a free wheeling, joyful site for news and discussion of politics, economics, philosophy, ethics and morals. I could not understand the transformation that has taken place in the last six months. Camaraderie, the sense of family, and cooperation seems to have disappeared. Are the Freepers exhibiting the same disdain for the new FR as Americans have for our government?


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To: AppyPappy
"Have you ever been to that British Pub downtown? Connie and Kristen and I ate there once. It was good."

You must be talking about Penny Lane Pub...yeah, that place is good, although I haven't been there in quite awhile and can't confirm that it's still there. Downtown's gotta lotta construction going on and is really being upgraded, and sometimes little holes-in-the-wall like that place get swallowed up.

FReegards...MUD

641 posted on 09/06/2002 11:54:27 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim
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To: strela
See Post 600...Your wish has been granted.
642 posted on 09/06/2002 11:55:05 AM PDT by dubyagee
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
"(Does that mean I have to retract my acceptance speech?)"

Nawww, I'll be a gracious loser...MUD

643 posted on 09/06/2002 11:55:21 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim
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To: Admin Moderator
Thanks. You guys do a good job.
644 posted on 09/06/2002 11:55:36 AM PDT by Taliesan
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To: Taliesan
Eh? What's that?

I'm sorry. I was contemplating linear essences.

645 posted on 09/06/2002 11:55:46 AM PDT by Interesting Times
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To: Lazamataz
"You cannot say you respect me less -- you never respected me to begin with!!"

LOL...but you can never say I don't find you continually entertaining, my FRiend...MUD

646 posted on 09/06/2002 11:56:31 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim
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To: FreeTheHostages
Chill man, can the attitude. Can't persuade anyone with that huge chip on your shoulder.

Boy do you have me pegged wrong.

647 posted on 09/06/2002 11:57:16 AM PDT by MassExodus
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To: Interesting Times
I was contemplating linear essences.

And I admire you for it.

Do you really see the patterns all shiny with little lights? That is so cool.

648 posted on 09/06/2002 11:58:34 AM PDT by Taliesan
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To: Mo1
I got cab money.
649 posted on 09/06/2002 11:58:40 AM PDT by Neets
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To: dubyagee
Thanks. I can hear the Greys talking now. That was scary, not being to hear my Alien Lord and Master for so long.
650 posted on 09/06/2002 11:59:08 AM PDT by strela
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To: All
CONTEST, CONTEST!!! WITH ACTUAL REAL WORLD PRIZE!!

I am sponsoring a contest in this thread. Person who wins gets me to mail to them Lynne Cheney's new book, "America: A Patriotic Primer." Here's the contest: Come up with your own top ten list (and be sure to ping me with it) of

TOP TEN REASONS WHY (and here you have an option of themes)
(1) I'm Still Posting in This Thread
(2) I'm Still A Happy Freeper
(3) This Thread Scares Me

Contest closes at 5 p.m. EST Saturday, winner to be announced by 10 p.m. I am the sole judge.

Remember, this is a top ten list contest. Humor counts.
651 posted on 09/06/2002 11:59:32 AM PDT by FreeTheHostages
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To: MassExodus
Fair enough. Then enter my contest -- see post 651. Free book for the winner!
652 posted on 09/06/2002 12:00:08 PM PDT by FreeTheHostages
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To: Mudboy Slim
See 651. And yes, multiple entries are permitted. But each top ten list has to be posted in this thread and it has to have, well, 10 items.
653 posted on 09/06/2002 12:01:31 PM PDT by FreeTheHostages
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
The multicolored litany of damnation:

Don't they come in tan or beige?

654 posted on 09/06/2002 12:01:35 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Taliesan
Do you really see the patterns all shiny with little lights? That is so cool.

How did you know that?

It's kind of fun, really.

The only disadvantage is that I keep accidentally voting for Pat Buchanan.

655 posted on 09/06/2002 12:03:02 PM PDT by Interesting Times
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To: Mudboy Slim
LOL...but you can never say I don't find you continually entertaining, my FRiend...MUD

Awwww. Give me a hug.

(grope)

656 posted on 09/06/2002 12:03:22 PM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
This thread is why I love Free Republic (so damn entertaining) and why I will NEVER donate or participate on a level beyond cyberspace.

Too many nutcases, polyster pant-wearing, gotnothingbettertodothanbitch posers, armchair political geniuses, closet militia "colonels", would-be revolutionaries, fat, pasty white-assed young punks with severe to fatal cases of sophomoric delusions of grandeur, crotchety old farts who make time between rants at zoning board meetings about the Magna Carta and the Natural Rights of Man to come on FR and tell us all we're really leftists if we don't support Buchanan, and stilleto pump wielding, vacant-eyed worshipers of all-things-Bush.

All in all, it's a hoot! Thanks for the laffs!

657 posted on 09/06/2002 12:05:02 PM PDT by borkrules
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To: borkrules
Apt namesake.
658 posted on 09/06/2002 12:08:29 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: borkrules
The obvious question: if you've never met anyone in person, how do you know?

At any rate, here is the character montage that goes with your soundtrack:

659 posted on 09/06/2002 12:09:25 PM PDT by Interesting Times
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To: borkrules
crotchety old farts who make time between rants at zoning board meetings about the Magna Carta and the Natural Rights of Man

Hey, what's wrong with those types! :) Where I grew up in Vermont, if you went to a local Farm Bureau meeting, they'd spend have the night discussing U.S.-Soviet foreign policy. It was pretty cool. They had some interesting and creative ideas on how to use farm equipment to further foreign relations.
660 posted on 09/06/2002 12:11:58 PM PDT by FreeTheHostages
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