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To: Olog-hai; neverevergiveup

>>If “men re-prioritized”, then they didn’t develop character themselves. It still takes two to tango, as the saying goes.

It has nothing to do with men’s character alone. Men are choosing to not be legally yoked to a person who can and probably will ruin him financially and emotionally.

It’s really just free market capitalism. Maximize outputs for minimum inputs. Women devalued the vagina to almost nothing. Who pays top dollar for a commodity that is almost free?

neverevergiveup commented on my post and explained it better than I did:

Lot’s of truth in that statement. It’s no longer about equality, mutual deep respect, commitment, and willingness to sacrifice for each other. Now it’s about women vs men, women being better than men, women being powerful, etc. Anyone of either gender who can’t get past themselves enough to give adequate value to the life and dreams of a partner shouldn’t get married.


62 posted on 09/03/2017 12:14:34 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (If we had some ham, we could have ham and eggs, if we had some eggs.)
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To: Bryanw92
Women devalued the vagina to almost nothing.

They had a lot of help from the media. Everything since the early 70's has been about romanticizing promiscuity.

70 posted on 09/03/2017 12:18:10 PM PDT by Bodleian_Girl (Don't check the news, check Cernovich on Twitter)
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To: Bryanw92

I certainly didn’t say “alone”, so I agree with you there. But it serves no purpose for men to become followers if certain women have subverted their own character.

And no, I do not call free market capitalism the cause of moral degeneracy—that has to do with communism, as I noted in post #33.


79 posted on 09/03/2017 12:22:22 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Bryanw92

Well, with the current laws, I’ve met women who’ve had to pay “support” for an ex-husband who simply refused to work or (in one case) because he couldn’t get a job because he was a child molester. So there’s big incentives for women not to marry as well.

The big problem, in my mind, is that men no longer have pride in fatherhood and no longer want to be fathers. So we get back to the pill again.

Once upon a time, men may not have set out to become fathers, but they did (a very large percentage of births in the New England of the Puritans, for example, were way before 9 months after the marriage) and then they had to marry the woman and they rose to the challenge.

Animal fathers have no interest in their offspring, but one of the distinguishing features of human beings is that they do care, especially if society encourages them to do so.

Our formerly Judeo-Christian society did, but the modern one doesn’t - and neither does Islamic society (I say this for those posters here who seem to be longing to suppress women), in which the wife has no rights at all and the father is frequently the first one to “de-flower” his son. And the father son relationship after that is nothing but hostility, and the relationship with daughters is nothing but getting a commodity ready for the market.

The problem is our new non-Christian culture.


94 posted on 09/03/2017 12:28:25 PM PDT by livius
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