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To: DiogenesLamp; jmacusa; rockrr
DiogenesLamp to jmacusa: "He can't even grasp the point I am trying to make. (Money drove the war. Slavery was an ad hoc propaganda effort)
Seemingly neither can you."

Of course I "grasp" your point, but it's ridiculous, fantasy & untrue by any objective measure.
Yes, certainly money was important, it always is.
But so were many other factors such as available manpower, industrial production, railroads & telegraph, ships, weapons, etc., etc.
However, none of those factors caused Deep South secession, none started Civil War, and none motivated the actual historical leaders involved.

What did motivate Deep South Fire-Eaters to declare secessions was protecting slavery, pure & simple, as they so clearly and so often proclaimed.
Nothing else is even seriously mentioned in their "Reasons for Secession" documents, or in Vice President Alexander Stephens' notorious Cornerstone Speech of March 21, 1861.

But of course, even Stephens himself, after the war, denied that his speech really meant what he said, and claimed then that he really meant to emphasize purely technical constitutional differences with the old Union.

And naturally, pro-Confederate propagandists today repeat such lies endlessly.
But regardless of how frequently, or loudly, they're repeated, facts remain facts, and those old lies are still lies.

392 posted on 01/29/2016 3:50:30 PM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK
This is what I mean. Instead of addressing the economics I have pointed out to you, you go right back to the slavery slavery slavery slavery slavery slavery slavery slavery thing.

As I've said repeatedly, the right to form a free and independent nation is NOT DEPENDENT on whether you agree with their morals or not. It is also entirely beside the point of the fact that the Union was not insisting they give up slavery, it was insisting they give up independence.

In other words, the assertion that the Union fought to end slavery is a lie, and you are doing everything you can to continue promulgating that lie, because the TRUTH makes your cause immoral and vile.

You KEEP the focus on slavery, because that is the only ad hoc moral position your side can claim in the entire horrible disaster.

399 posted on 01/29/2016 5:33:06 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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