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To: jmacusa
The man obviously knows the subject and presents it in a trenchant and insightful manner and all you can do is launch ad hominems. Why don't you just shut up and learn something.

The man knows a lot about the spiel he insists on promulgating. (Always about slavery) He can't even grasp the point I am trying to make. (Money drove the war. Slavery was an ad hoc propaganda effort) Seemingly neither can you.

Why don't you just shut up and learn something?

377 posted on 01/29/2016 8:58:54 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp; jmacusa; rockrr
DiogenesLamp to jmacusa: "He can't even grasp the point I am trying to make. (Money drove the war. Slavery was an ad hoc propaganda effort)
Seemingly neither can you."

Of course I "grasp" your point, but it's ridiculous, fantasy & untrue by any objective measure.
Yes, certainly money was important, it always is.
But so were many other factors such as available manpower, industrial production, railroads & telegraph, ships, weapons, etc., etc.
However, none of those factors caused Deep South secession, none started Civil War, and none motivated the actual historical leaders involved.

What did motivate Deep South Fire-Eaters to declare secessions was protecting slavery, pure & simple, as they so clearly and so often proclaimed.
Nothing else is even seriously mentioned in their "Reasons for Secession" documents, or in Vice President Alexander Stephens' notorious Cornerstone Speech of March 21, 1861.

But of course, even Stephens himself, after the war, denied that his speech really meant what he said, and claimed then that he really meant to emphasize purely technical constitutional differences with the old Union.

And naturally, pro-Confederate propagandists today repeat such lies endlessly.
But regardless of how frequently, or loudly, they're repeated, facts remain facts, and those old lies are still lies.

392 posted on 01/29/2016 3:50:30 PM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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