Posted on 01/20/2016 5:03:47 AM PST by Kaslin
Last July, Anthony Hervey, an outspoken black advocate for the Confederate flag, was killed in a car crash. Arlene Barnum, a surviving passenger in the vehicle, told authorities and the media that they had been forced off the road by a carload of "angry young black men" after Hervey, while wearing his Confederate kepi, stopped at a convenience store en route to his home in Oxford, Mississippi. His death was in no small part caused by the gross level of ignorance, organized deceit and anger about the War of 1861. Much of the ignorance stems from the fact that most Americans believe the war was initiated to free slaves, when in truth, freeing slaves was little more than an afterthought. I want to lay out a few quotations and ask what you make of them.
During the "Civil War," ex-slave Frederick Douglass observed, "There are at the present moment many colored men in the Confederate army doing duty not only as cooks, servants and laborers, but as real soldiers, having muskets on their shoulders, and bullets in their pockets, ready to shoot down loyal troops, and do all that soldiers may to destroy the Federal Government and build up that of the traitors and rebels" (Douglass' Monthly, September 1861).
"For more than two years, negroes had been extensively employed in belligerent operations by the Confederacy. They had been embodied and drilled as Rebel soldiers, and had paraded with White troops at a time when this would not have been tolerated in the armies of the Union." (Horace Greeley, in his book, "The American Conflict").
"Over 3,000 negroes must be included in this number (of Confederate troops). These were clad in all kinds of uniforms, not only in cast-off or captured United States uniforms, but in coats with Southern buttons, State buttons, etc. These were shabby, but not shabbier or seedier than those worn by white men in rebel ranks. Most of the negroes had arms, rifles, muskets, sabres, bowie-knives, dirks, etc. They were supplied, in many instances, with knapsacks, haversacks, canteens, etc., and were manifestly an integral portion of the Southern Confederacy Army. They were seen riding on horses and mules, driving wagons, riding on caissons, in ambulances, with the staff of Generals, and promiscuously mixed up with all the rebel horde" (report by Dr. Lewis H. Steiner, chief inspector of the U.S. Sanitary Commission).
In April 1861, a Petersburg, Virginia, newspaper proposed "three cheers for the patriotic free Negroes of Lynchburg" after 70 blacks offered "to act in whatever capacity" had been "assigned to them" in defense of Virginia.
Those are but a few examples of the important role that blacks served as soldiers, freemen and slaves on the side of the Confederacy. The flap over the Confederate flag is not quite so simple as the nation's race "experts" make it. They want us to believe the flag is a symbol of racism. Yes, racists have used the Confederate flag as their symbol, but racists have also marched behind the U.S. flag and have used the Bible. Would anyone suggest banning the U.S. flag from state buildings and references to the Bible?
Black civil rights activists, their white liberal supporters and historically ignorant Americans who attack the Confederate flag have committed a deep, despicable dishonor to our patriotic Southern black ancestors who marched, fought and died not to protect slavery but to protect their homeland from Northern aggression. They don't deserve the dishonor. Dr. Leonard Haynes, a black professor at Southern University, stated, "When you eliminate the black Confederate soldier, you've eliminated the history of the South."
Agreed.
You’ve nailed it. I would think it a miserable way to go through life but pokie seems to prefer it.
Bump.
Of course, you False Cause losers decided to take the blue pill and be comfortably numb in your revisionism and carefully constructed fantasy world while you pathetically await the Grim Reaper.
Yeah, and this noob is about as dumb as a bag of hammers.
He’s not dumb just brainwashed.
Howdy-do, sic semper Tyrannosaurus rex! I appreciate the backhanded compliment. I had no idea that you were the burr under CBW’s saddle. I should have guessed. This is my first rodeo and I’m as dumb as a bag of hammers. But, we gotta ease up on the name-calling. CBW says that indicates you have a signed copy of rules for radicals. (Between you and me, was he kicked in the head by a horse?) Anyway, you’re alright in my book, because Tau Food said so.
LEAVE LINCOLN ALONE!!!!!!!
Cowboyway: “Let’s replace Napolitano in the sentence above with Ted Cruz.
The Cruz opposition would far outweigh the lonely Ted Cruz book.
Does that mean that Cruz is wrong...”
You misunderstand, my intention is not to weigh books in a physical scale, to learn which is heavier.
Rather, I’m looking for a list of books, recent or post-CW era, which spell out the Lost Cause mythology.
I presume such books exist, and others also which address the myths with facts & reason.
It just might elevate the conversation somewhat, if I could refer to a Lost Cause myth in one book as answered in another.
Cowboyway: “You like the nice little myth of yankee as hero as Southerner as the villain and are willing to publish whatever it takes to maintain the mythology.”
Such nonsense. We well recognize the courage, resourcefulness and good behavior of the vast majority of soldiers on both sides, especially Confederates who fought with fewer numbers & resources.
In that sense, they were all heroes, including leaders like Lee, Jackson & Forrest.
The villains were Slave Power politicians, Fire Eaters who first declared secession “at pleasure”, then provoked, started and formally declared war on the United States, sending military support to pro-Confederates in Union states.
And in the end they refused a negotiated peace until utterly defeated and forced into unconditional surrender.
So Southerners are not, we’re never villains, but their leaders, yes, big time.
If you seek the sort of imbecility that pokie laps up you need look no further than deloranzo.
But yet you dismiss and deny the belligerent role of disHonest Abe. Pathetic.
If you seek the sort of imbecility that rockrr laps up you need look no further than.............rockrr.
Just as I deny "the belligerent role" of President Roosevelt in the US entry into the Second World War.
In both cases, the decision to start war was made by enemies of the United States.
rockrr: "If you seek the sort of imbecility that pokie laps up you need look no further than deloranzo."
Turns out, Amazon has no books by a deloranzo, but there are several deLorenzo writers -- Jacqui, Richard, Peter and Yusuf, none of whom, it seems, wrote about the Lost Cause.
However, when I just now searched on the topic of "Lost Cause myths", a good many books come up, including these:
So I think I'll start with the most recent (#1 above) and work backwards (down the list).
Sorry, I meant thomas dilorenzo, the gold standard for slipshod lost cause urnalism. He’s the Art Bell of Civil War revisionism and a patron saint of losers like pokie.
His crap is so smelly that the moderators routinely remove threads if they come from him or his master, lewrockwell.
That name worked!
Any number of similar books came up, not all by dilorenzo, but including:
I'm thinking I'll invest in two or three books from each side, and we'll just see what, if anything, holds water & what doesn't.
Should be interesting reading. ;-)
I notice from the jacket cover of the “Real Lincoln” that the foreword is by the same name as the person whose article began this thread.
To even attempt to compare Pearl Harbor to Fort Sumter is ludicrous on its face and removes any subatomic smidgen of credibility that you may have had.
Since it's obvious that you are an advocate of historical revisionism one has to assume that you'll be happy in your final resting place knowing that 150 years from now your progeny will be taught about the greatness and saint like qualities of 0bama.
I take it you're going to dismiss Walter E. Williams, a famous economist that has hosted Rush's show on numerous occasions. Idiot.
Perhaps you'll launch a racial or homophobic attach on him. Take a page out of your autobiography: "I'm a Farkin Moron" by HandyDandy.
Please stay tuned for a lengthy rebuttal...........
It would be a wasted effort. Pokie has the attention span of a housefly and the IQ of an overripe Kumquat.
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