800 babies buried in septic tank at Irish home for unmarried mothers

AFP/Dublin/Yahoo News ^ | 06/042014 | unknown

[boatbums]

Almost 800 babies and children were buried in a mass grave in Ireland near a home for unmarried mothers run by nuns, according to new research Wednesday which throws more light on the Irish Catholic Church's troubled past.

Death records suggest 796 children, from newborns to eight-year-olds, were deposited in a grave near a Catholic-run home for unmarried mothers during the 35 years it operated from 1925 to 1961.

Historian Catherine Corless, who made the discovery, says her study of death records for the St Mary's home in Tuam in County Galway suggests that a former septic tank near the home was a mass grave.

The septic tank, full to the brim with bones, was discovered in 1975 by locals when concrete slabs covering the tank broke up.

Until now, locals believed the bones mainly stemmed from the Great Irish famine of the 1840s when hundreds of thousands perished.

St Mary's, run by the Bons Secours Sisters, was one of several such 'mother and baby' homes in early 20th century Ireland.

Thousands of unmarried pregnant women -- labelled at the time as 'fallen women' -- were sent to the homes to have their babies.

The women were ostracised by the conservative-Catholic society and were often forced to hand over their children for adoption.

[wardaddy]

That statement was ignorant of fact

be glad to educate you or perhaps you prefer to remain ignorant of anyone not Catholic

I prefer to ask about Catholic practice when I’m ignorant

Many non Catholic denominations christen at birth

And nearly all others allow baptism whenever that individual wishes to accept Christ....it was eight years of age for me

southern Baptist

There is vast difference in Protestants

Lumping them all together is as uninformed as saying Mexicans and Argentinians are the same since they are both Hispanic

You as a Catholic have far more in common with any Anglican prod than I do as a southern baptist....just as an example

What happened at this place sure looks criminal....regardless who ran it

You don’t bury children in a sewer.....period.

[BlueDragon]

first off I would have to think of you as an opponent

I color your own statements here in brown. On purpose. Think about it.

As a hint...I will say "septic tanks".bwahahaahaA

Not only do I not think you are worthy, frankly I don't think of you at all.

For a guy who doesn't think of me at all, you sure do spend a lot of time going after me personally, instead of actually dealing with whatever issue I raise, or information I discuss, etc.

Things could be different. But you would have to get down off that little high-horse toy that you've been riding, first...

..and stop changing the subject.

Would you like to see the evidence that the structures in which the infant bodies were found, were more likely than not once sewage cesspits, or not?

Let me know when you can handle the truth...though it may take a bit of reading at links which I can supply.

[BlueDragon]

You sure that'd be a good thing?...think about it.

Alright, you win.

Alex Murphy's secret alter-ego "fake" Romanist persona's can remain and continue to make Catholicism look horrid. *^')

I would add "he's sneaky that way" but I just gave the game away. Again.

[BlueDragon]

They put the bodies in a septic tank for Gods sake.

As best as I can guess, going by info not yet much spoken of here on FR, the old septic structures were likely to have not been in use some years before the nuns ever arrived at that location.

All in all...the use of those structures (if those were indeed once septic tanks) I do not believe should be held against the nuns much at all, and certainly not them alone if at all...

It's not like they were getting rich.

However, regardless of mathematical extrapolations which averaged the death rate from the mid-1920's all the way to '61, there have been some recent articles which did point to a high death rate for one year in particular.

There could be some trouble with how that rate was arrived at, similar in ways to how the alleged "lower then the rest of the countryside" death rates were otherwise sought to be argued for, but for what potential snag or set of questions which should be asked for this context, presently slips my mind.

Death rate of babies at Tuam mother and baby home was double the rate of other homes

Figures from National Archives seen by TheJournal.ie show that 31.6% of babies under the age of one in Tuam died over the course of one year.

This compares to an overall death rate in other homes around the country of just over 17% among babies of the same age.

The return from Galway Local Authority shows that in the Tuam mother and baby home 49 babies were born in the institution in 1947. A further 30 children under the age of one were admitted to the institution, making there a total of 79 children under the age of one in the care of the maternity home.

In that year, 25 babies under the age of one died in the home.

[mitch5501]

"...but I just gave the game away. Again."

You could have at least given a spoiler alert,I was looking forward to today's wacky episode of "fractal fruitloops"

[BlueDragon]

"...I was looking forward to today's wacky episode of "fractal fruitloops" "

Have no fear,
one or another of the cereal killers will be along eventually, if not sooner.

The guy who made the Yopios graphic was booted out of here years ago, but not for the cereal box.

He was some sort of gamer/graphic designer. B-Chan was his handle here,and on a few other forums. Dallas area.

I heard he went a little bit batty, and perhaps suffered marital difficulties along about the same time.

Oh well.

When here on FR he had a tagline that read; "Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?"

More than a few times he was told flat-out by people around here what he would suffer if he ever tried to establish some form of "Monarchy" (as the world knows of such) in Texas, of all places.

The world has tried monarchy as form of government. It does have it's own drawbacks.

[Elsie]

If we were in a room together, talking face-to-face, we WOULD be a lot nicer to each other.

[Elsie]

The Sons of Thunder LIVE!

[Elsie]

OOOoooh!

An old one with a metal frame!

We’ve a plastic one that has faded out from being in the yard for years.

Still bouncy, but the plastic frame is slightly warped from galloping a wee bit to near a pile of burning leaves.

[Elsie]

I heard he went a little bit batty, and perhaps suffered marital difficulties along about the same time.

NOW I know why I have this feeling of channeling someone occasionally...

[metmom]

I already showed you...

Which is by all appearances an exercise in futility.

Proverbs 26:12 Do you see a man who is wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.

But sometimes you have to try, if only to show that they are not fooling anyone but themselves.

[Alex Murphy]

Alex Murphy's secret alter-ego "fake" Romanist personas can remain and continue to make Catholicism look horrid. *^') I would add "he's sneaky that way" but I just gave the game away. Again.

The Shoveler: If we had a billionaire like Lance Hunt as our benefactor, yeah we could spend a hundred and fifty...
Mr. Furious: That's because Lance Hunt IS Captain Amazing!
The Blue Raja: Oh, here we go...
The Shoveler: Don't start that AGAIN. Lance Hunt wears glasses, Captain Amazing DOESN'T wear glasses.
Mr. Furious: He takes them off when he transforms...
The Shoveler: That doesn't make any sense. He wouldn't be able to see!

[Karl Spooner]

Good morning, Sunshine.

Now let us have a word of wisdom from our Father to start the day.

James 1:26
Those who consider themselves religious and yet do not keep a tight rein on their tongues deceive themselves, and their religion is worthless.

[Elsie]