Posted on 04/22/2014 6:56:08 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Senior writer John McCormack joined Greta van Susteren's political panel Monday on Fox News to discuss the protest at the Bundy ranch in Nevada. Watch the video below:
(VIDEO-AT-LINK)
Meanwhile, in this week's issue, the Scrapbook writes about the problems with Cliven Bundy's cause:
Twenty years ago, the federal government, which owns the land on which Bundy grazes his 900 cattle, decided to impose a grazing fee. Bundy opposes that fee, has consistently refused to pay it, and the federal Bureau of Land Management now claims that he owes $1 million in unpaid fees. Bundy has challenged the grazing fee in federal court—indeed, has challenged the federal government’s title to land in Nevada—and has consistently lost. Sixteen years ago, a federal judge issued a permanent injunction against Bundy, ordering the removal of his cattle. Bundy appealed that ruling to the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, and lost again. Last August, a federal court gave Bundy 45 days to remove his cattle, and in October, a federal district judge ordered Bundy not to “physically interfere with any seizure or impoundment operation.”
This does not sound to The Scrapbook like the dread hand of tyranny, in Nevada or Washington, oppressing an innocent farmer, or pushing some law-abiding citizen around. It sounds, instead, like a rancher gaming the system to his own financial advantage, and disguising his scheme in populist rhetoric: refusing to pay a tax which others must pay, and “tying up the courts”—for two decades!—as he continues to ignore the law. Far from acting in an arbitrary or capricious manner, the federal government has shown patience and forbearance in the face of lawlessness that customarily lands people in jail. It is worth noting that Bundy’s rancher-neighbors and the Nevada Cattlemen’s Association, who contend with the same federal policies, offer him little support.
Bundy has exercised his First Amendment right to plead his case publicly and inflame his admirers. And inflamed they have been: A few hundred people from around the country converged on Nye County, Nevada—many armed and brandishing weapons—to disrupt the government’s attempt to enforce the law, taunting and attacking agents dutifully carrying out the orders of a federal court. Last week, fearful of violence, the BLM suspended its roundup and withdrew from the area.
This is no victory for anyone other than Bundy and, The Scrapbook hopes, a temporary one at that. There is a term to describe the people who surround him, and it isn’t “militia.” The word is “mob.” And what this mob has practiced is not civil disobedience but armed provocation of a democratic government which has afforded Cliven Bundy every right and privilege as a citizen. One of Bundy’s supporters boasted to the press that “we were actually strategizing to put all the women up at the front.” This is the same spirit that animates people who attack firemen during riots, or opposed school integration with violence in Little Rock, Arkansas. In that case, 57 years ago, President Eisenhower was obliged to send the 101st Airborne because, as he said, “mob rule cannot be allowed to override the decisions of our courts.”
What was true then remains true today. Cliven Bundy is no hero of any kind. No conservative would pick and choose the laws he intends to obey, defy the rest, and challenge the rule of democracy with guns. No hero would adopt the terrorist’s tactic of placing innocents in harm’s way. Any fool can pick up a weapon and aim at an officer of the law; the moral power of civil disobedience lies in the willingness to defer to the law and accept punishment on principle.
I guess you didn’t read my post...
I know that the grazing fees were originally authorized and set by a Ronald Reagan executive order...
http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/speeches/1986/21486b.htm
So when were the rates raised, and by how much? When did Bundy start and stop paying them? All I have ever heard was that he never paid them, and doesn’t acknowledge the government’s right to charge them.
Unlike the article above, I don’t support the jackbooted tactics of the Feds, but I’ve been hesitant to embrace Bundy as a conservative hero either. But this isn’t happening in a vacuum. The Feds in coordination with the eco-Nazis have been trying to close off public land for public use for decades now. Eastern elitists like Weakly Standard don’t know or care about what happens in the western states anymore than RAT elites. Still, IMHO there are much more egregious examples of government abuse out there that don’t get 100th the attention.
“What law was passed that said that a rancher had to pay $50,000 in “grazing” fees. government bureaucrats arbitrarily making laws and sending an army against a single American citizen for a civil matter. (?)”
Actually it was Ronald Reagan’s executive order that started this whole grazing fee fiasco.
http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/speeches/1986/21486b.htm
As in his expanding the War on Drugs to include asset forfeiture, DEA domestic swat squads, and major mandatory sentences for relatively minor drug crimes, it’s an instance of Reagan’s actions not always living up to his expressed ideals.
“Well we should actually recast this sentence a bit. The fees in question should be called “management fees”. How they morphed into grazing fees might be an interesting part of this saga.”
Um, because Ronald Reagan called them “grazing fees” in his Executive Order 12548 that established them?
http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/speeches/1986/21486b.htm
So by your theory, when nations take lands, they take it for their governments, not their people? And when governments own lands, it means bureaucrats and corrupt politicans can make rules on it and money off of it, but those poor idiots not connected to the government cannot?
I mean, by your stupid logic, all lands are “federal lands” -
The supposedly friendly politicians and media are really showing their colors on this subject. When the “stuff” really hits the fan with protest against the tyrannical government, they all scatter. Their colors change to yellow real fast. Where’s the outcry against all that has come against the people of our country? Accept and modify? Is the frog getting cooked so slowly to them that it’s acceptable? Has it not hit them in their own back yard, yet?
You don’t get satire do you?
He stopped paying them in 1993. Now they are over $1M. Didn’t mean to imply raised it twice. It does beg the question if the cattle were on the federal and “illegally” as all the liberal websites seem to claim why would paying over $1M in fees suddenly make it “alright”? The fact that the feds charge grazing fees just “because they can” seems to be just another money grab. People have gotten into the habit of being extorted out if their “lunch money” for so long they no longer question it. That’s a real problem in my book.
Now that's a loving, manly Christian statement.
Shame on you.
I THINK Christ would take the compassionate point of view. Don't you? I don't KNOW what he would say. I just believe that he would be compassionate.
> “Render unto Caesar’s what is Caesar’s and render unto God what is God’s.” Hmmmm, now WHO said that?
Whether Bundy likes it or not the grazing fees belong to “Caesar,” not in his pocket.
Caesar charges a lot more nowadays and he’s never satisfied anymore...: ) At what point do you tell Caesar he’s gone too far before he has taken everything and what gives him that right, particularly if he is taking everything from you to play golf, go on multimillion dollar vacations, and live a hedonistic life none of us could ever imagine while we live in squalor? This “Caesar” also seems to be controlled by Anti-Christ at the moment and seeks the destruction of America by bankrupting her...
I don't know? Do you?
We do have spies in our midst here.
I saw something that made me smile yesterday -
“When asking WWJD, don’t leave out the possibility of chasing people with a whip.”
Caesar sure does.
I don't know about Lucifer controlling this government but I know that taxes are high.
It doesn't seem to me that Obama is being controlled by Lucifer.
The president doesn't levy taxes or make laws. Congress does. The Democrats have always levied higher taxes and pressed on the middle class for more money. That is the history of the Democrats. Obama and his Democrat friends were elected TWICE by Americans. American voters voted them in and re-elected them. Why, I don't know. Do you?
I thought Obama was under qualified from the get-go.
Yes he is and so are his sons, Leif and Rory:
About Harry Reid -
“He returned to Nevada after law school and served as Henderson city attorney before being elected to the Nevada Assembly in 1968.”
Rory Jason Reid (born July 11, 1963[1]) is an American attorney and politician.
http://www.lionelsawyer.com/index.cfm?page_id=5&page=attorney_profile&atid=49
E. LEIF REID
Partner
LReid@LRRLaw.com
vCard
Reno
50 West Liberty Street
Suite 410
Reno, Nevada 89501
Phone 775.321.3415
Fax 775.823.2929
Josh Reid
http://www.cityofhenderson.com/city_managers/bios/city_attorney_meet_the_city_attorney.php
Jesus used the whip on those who turned the House of God into a house of buying and selling.
The whip was for blasphemy. This isn't about blaspheming.
George Soros and the NWO / Revelation prophesies becoming true...?
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A dislike of lawyers goes way back to 15th century England.
It will be interesting to see the charges and lawyering up when all the dust settles.
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