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Sheriff Joe Now Investigating Obama Alias Harry Bounel: Obama Mama In WA In 1961 (Arpaio)
BirtherReport.com ^ | February 25, 2013 | Al Hendershot

Posted on 02/25/2013 9:25:42 PM PST by Seizethecarp

Today, I had a conversation with an investigator from the Cold Case Posse in AZ. We talked and I expanded on several dossiers filled with evidence for over an hour. They asked for all of my relevant information on Obama, the Harry Bounel alias evidence, and the dossiers I completed on Stanley Ann Dunham, her parents, and Michelle Obama as well. They have it all. BTW they also say that it looks like my information cannot be disproved and will be useful.

I have proof, definitive proof that Stanley Ann Dunham was in WA state in "1961" as per the issuance of a SSN numident in her name with the SSN 535-40-8522. There is no way that she was in HI and I have proof because in the fall she was in college in WA, not HI.

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Heated Discussion; Politics
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To: bluecat6

I was aware of those.

I was wondering if anyone had done the same thing for his mother.

As I understand it, her SSN shows a range 1959 - 1961 (60?).

For example, the SSDI shows these two SSNs - xxx-xx-8517 and xxx-xx-5826 as being in the record.

So the dates those were issued would narrow down when her’s was issued.


261 posted on 02/27/2013 12:52:47 PM PST by 4Zoltan
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter; bluecat6; DiogenesLamp; Seizethecarp

I thought that too. But if you look at the transcript it says “x prefix =extension; c prefix = correspondence” and her classes in the fall of ‘61 are “X201” and X100”.


262 posted on 02/27/2013 12:57:57 PM PST by 4Zoltan
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To: Seizethecarp
Barry’s conception is estimated to have occurred in late October 1960 or early November 1960. I haven’t seen any evidence placing Stanley Ann and Malcolm X together at that time.

That assumes Obama was born in August.

Following her graduation from high school, Stanley Ann spent the summer in Chicago, working as an Au Pair. She had been accepted to attend the University of Chicago, but her father decided that she couldn't go. She was made to come home to Seattle, and the family suddenly moved to Hawaii.

In Dreams Obama writes that SAD was in Chicago between her junior, and senior years. I believe that this is either a mistake, or a lie, based on the fact that Dreams states that SAD saw the movie Black Orpheus when in Chicago working as an Au Pair. This is AFTER the summer between her junior and senior years. I believe it's probable that SAD was working as an Au Pair in Chicago the summer before she planned on attending the University of Chicago.

Something happened the summer of 1960 that caused SAD's parents to pull her out of Chicago, and the family to move to Hawaii. What happened? I believe SAD got pregnant.

After the family moved to Hawaii they discovered that there were not a lot of black men there. One of the few was SAD's father's good friend Frank Marshall Davis. That would cause obvious problems after the baby was born. Enter Obama Sr.

Obama Sr was well known, being the first black to attend the University Of Hawaii. Obama was aproached, and was asked if he would allow the Dunhams to use him as the babies father. Obama agreed, and received some monetary support from the Dunhams.

I believe that Obama does have a Hawaii birth certificate. I also believe that the file that Obama released does not accurately represent it. I believe there is some information on Obama's original birth certificate that shows that this fraud occured. What if Obama's original birth certificate showed an April birth date? Or March? Or maybe something else that excludes the possability of Obama Sr being his father? Obama's entire life, and more importantly the book that made him, are all a bunch of lies.
263 posted on 02/27/2013 1:13:39 PM PST by MMaschin
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To: DiogenesLamp
"Since they are both dead, there should be no reason to with hold such information."

Maybe yes, maybe no.

My guess is no.

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To Establish Proof of Identity and Right to Access

To receive copies of documents protected under the Privacy Act or Internal Revenue Code 6103 you must show proof of identity and demonstrate your right to access by:

• Signing your FOIA request (stamped or digital signatures are unacceptable for the purpose of establishing identity), including your address in the request, and attaching a copy of one form of identification bearing your signature (such as your drivers license), or

• Presenting a notarized statement swearing to or affirming your identity, or

• Presenting a sworn statement as to your identity, under penalty of perjury (You may include in your FOIA request "I declare under penalty of perjury of the laws of the United States of America that the foregoing is true and correct. Executed on [date]. I am [your name] and I am requesting…."), or

• Providing an official document showing proof of entitlement as the sole proprietor, member of partnership, corporate officer, shareholder, etc., if requesting the records of a business.

• For records of a deceased individual you must provide a document showing proof of status as administrator, executor, or trustee of estate; if an heir at law, next of kin, or beneficiary under the will, proof of a material interest which will be affected by information contained in the requested documents and proof of the kinship, e.g., a copy of birth certificate or will.

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-utl/irs_foia_guide.pdf

264 posted on 02/27/2013 1:28:26 PM PST by 4Zoltan
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To: 4Zoltan

Correct.

But that is why I say she kept her dual citizenship gig going.

People often say - she was not an Indonesian citizen. Oh yes she was - according to Indonesian law. From the time of marriage you have one year to formally declare yourself an Indonesian citizen OR your spouse can ex-patriot themselves from Indonesian citizenship in that same one year. But after one year the couple (as an entire family unit) are either Indonesian citizens or they are not - according to Indonesian law. The marriage was in March 1965. So as of March 1966 the family unit would have been Indonesian citizens under Indonesia law. But - the marriage was in the US. Was it registered with the Indonesian authorities in 1965, or 1966 or early 1967? Maybe not. So the clock may have started ticking until the entire family unit was in Indonesia - in mid-1967. If that was the case then the SAD passport update, whose sole purpose was to remove Obama from SAD’s US passport, in mid-1968 makes sense. The year was up and it was time to live legally as 100% Indonesian citizens in Indonesia.

It would be interesting to know if Indonesia issued minors separate passports from parents. Obama II being on a stand alone passport would explain how he traveled ‘alone’ in 1970 or 1971 without mom. When mom showed in October of 1971 her US passport had expired - I think for about a year.


265 posted on 02/27/2013 1:49:01 PM PST by bluecat6 ("All non-denial denials. They doubt our ancestry, but they don't say the story isn't accurate. ")
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To: 4Zoltan

Official Obama nativity story continues to unravel Girlfriend places mother in Seattle in August 1961

SEE 1961 CALENDAR - Acamdemic Period commences September 25.

266 posted on 02/27/2013 2:03:00 PM PST by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: 4Zoltan

4Zoltan, you stated: “• For records of a deceased individual you must provide a document showing proof of status as administrator, executor, or trustee of estate; if an heir at law, next of kin, or beneficiary under the will, proof of a material interest which will be affected by information contained in the requested documents and proof of the kinship, e.g., a copy of birth certificate or will.”

Kenneth Allen was not affiliated with deceased Lolo and Ann Soetoro as well as Barack Obama Sr. yet he was allowed a FOIA request on all 3 that included the 1973 Soetoro tax returns. How do you explain?

http://www.scribd.com/doc/59560239/FOIA-Release-Records-Relating-to-Barry-Soetoro-Stanley-Ann-Dunham-Barack-Obama-Sr-Lolo-Soetoro-Department-of-Homeland-Security


267 posted on 02/27/2013 2:19:14 PM PST by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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To: MMaschin

Dreams has been show to have zero reliability and credibly demonstrated to have been substantially written by Bill Ayers, especially politically manipulatice and exploitative passages like the au pair passage where the Black Orpheus timing has been proved by FReepers as being off, IIRC.

The INS FOIA docs corroborate the Aug 4, 1961 birth timeframe with:

1. Report to INS by U of HI Admin that it was BHO Sr that got a co-ed “happa” and married her on Feb 2, 1961 (and not some sperm donor in Chicago).

2. The INS file says that the pregnant co-ed is living with her parents and there is discussion that after the baby is born the baby is to be put up for adoption and the mother intends to go to college in WA.

This narrative destroys Barry’s Dreams and 2004 DNC speech narrative and makes his little multi-racial family story a big lie.

Numerous witnesses report SADO showing up with a newborn whose diaper she didn’t know how to change in WA in late August.


268 posted on 02/27/2013 2:26:04 PM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: bluecat6

“But after one year the couple (as an entire family unit) are either Indonesian citizens or they are not - according to Indonesian law.”

Article 7.

(1) A foreign woman married to a citizen of the Republic of Indonesia, acquires the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia, if and when she makes a statement as to that effect within 1 year after contracting said marriage, except in case when she acquires the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia she possesses still another nationality, in which case the statement may not be made.

(2) With the exception as mentioned in para 1 the foreign woman who marries a citizen of the Republic of Indonesia also acquires the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia one year after the marriage has been contracted, if within that one year her husband does not make a statement as to release his citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia.

Said statement may only be made and only results in the loss of the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia if by such a loss the husband does not become stateless.

http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/docid/3ae6b4ec8.html

I’m not sure I agree with your reading of their law.

Part 2 says “With the exception as mentioned in para 1”. And the exception in para 1 is that she must give up her other citizenship.


269 posted on 02/27/2013 2:32:10 PM PST by 4Zoltan
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To: DiogenesLamp; butterdezillion

“On a separate topic, do you know anyone in the Washington D.C. area that might be willing to look for some specific documents in the National Archives?”

Nope.

I do recall a claim that a congressman told a voter in his district that he had verified that the microfilm of the HI newspapers in the Congressional Library showed Barry’s birth announcements as reported to be the case in HI and also in CA.

Only legal discovery including forensic examination of these microfilm reels by competent, independent experts and also documentation of the provenance of the reels can show whether they were tampered with, IMO


270 posted on 02/27/2013 2:32:26 PM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

Was his FOIA made to the IRS? Or were the copies of the taxes included in their file from another department?

For example, were the taxes in the Immigration Department’s file as part of the proof the department required that they were married or as some other type of verfication?


271 posted on 02/27/2013 2:38:48 PM PST by 4Zoltan
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To: CitizenUSA

True Presidents of the USA do not bow/pay homage to other nation’s politicians let alone representatives of the Saudi kingdom.


272 posted on 02/27/2013 2:46:56 PM PST by noinfringers2
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To: Fred Nerks

Does that include extension classes or is that for full-time students? Did extension classes have a different schedule?

Does this transcript say that the classes began 8-19-61 or 9-19-61?

http://www.theobamafile.com/_images/AnnaObamaUnivofWashingtonTranscript.jpg


273 posted on 02/27/2013 2:48:09 PM PST by 4Zoltan
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FOR THE RECORD:

The only person who maintained they saw Stanley Ann Dunham late in August with a baby was Susan Blake. The little that remains of the original video may be seen here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=advfrQEeIBY

IN subsequent articles, Susan appears to have been under the impression Stanley Ann was going ‘East’ to be with her ‘husband’ (who was still in Hawaii until June 1962) and Susan never saw her again.


274 posted on 02/27/2013 2:58:22 PM PST by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: Seizethecarp; Ladysforest

If I’m understanding correctly (correct me if I’m mistaken, LF) that Congress-critter, looking in the Library of Congress, apparently failed to notice that there was a large scratch in the Aug 1-15, 1961 Advertiser microfilm roll that started at the beginning of the roll and ended on the page right before Obama’s birth announcement.

If that roll of microfilm was created by a microfilming company, it was tampered with by non-professionals who left their tracks all over it - the scratch literally pointing right at the page that had to be altered.

And I do mean left their tracks. There are fingerprints on that microfilm roll (developed onto the microfilm roll - which comes from film being handled with bare hands and then a duplicate made of the manipulated/fingerprinted film; not something that would be done by a microfilming company), as there also are on the Berkeley and Sacramento microfilms. Or were, anyway. They may have been changed out again. I’d have to look at the documents again, but IIRC at least one of the microfilms has been changed out twice, as evidenced by disappearing “scratches”.


275 posted on 02/27/2013 3:00:01 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: DiogenesLamp; Seizethecarp
How can anyone claim that "Anna Obama" that is listed in the Polk and phone directory for 1961 is SAD if she didn't show up until the fall of 1961? Those had to be printed in 1960!

A href="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2989394/posts?page=26#26">http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2989394/posts?page=26#26

Who is Anna Obama?

276 posted on 02/27/2013 3:01:16 PM PST by GregNH (If you are unable to fight, please find a good place to hide.)
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To: SvenMagnussen; WildHighlander57

Give it up. Barry has a Connecticut SSN because he stole it off this dead guy Bounel. There was no social service agency in Connecticut involved.


277 posted on 02/27/2013 3:01:43 PM PST by Plummz (pro-constitution, anti-corruption)
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To: GregNH
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2989394/posts?page=26#26
278 posted on 02/27/2013 3:03:05 PM PST by GregNH (If you are unable to fight, please find a good place to hide.)
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To: 4Zoltan

1. I have no idea.
2. Previously discussed at length. Is the number an 8 or a 9? Is it August or September?

I am looking at the same document you are. Read the article. It has been reasonably well established by a freeper contributor that the campus was CLOSED until the start of the Fall semester in September.


279 posted on 02/27/2013 3:10:26 PM PST by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: GregNH
How can anyone claim that "Anna Obama" that is listed in the Polk and phone directory for 1961 is SAD if she didn't show up until the fall of 1961? Those had to be printed in 1960!

A href="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2989394/posts?page=26#26">http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2989394/posts?page=26#26

Who is Anna Obama?

Amongst the many articles I have read on this subject I recall this tidbit. Stanley Ann was always ashamed of her name "Stanley" but since everyone knew her as "Stanley" there wasn't much she could do about it. Apparently when her family moved to Hawaii, she saw an opportunity to avoid the embarrassment of being a girl named "Stanley."

According to one article I read, once the family had moved to Hawaii, Stanley Ann completely dropped the usage of "Stanley" and went by the name "Ann" from that point forward.

This story makes perfect sense to me, and is supposedly backed up by the testimony of people who knew her in Hawaii.

Anyway, do you know anyone in Washington D.C. Area that might be able to go to the national archives to get copies of some documents?

280 posted on 02/27/2013 3:12:19 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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