I like that one. Cap fits
Posted on 08/01/2012 11:18:33 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
"Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama. Black Sunni Muslim father and White Lebanese Christian mother. Born in the ME, raised in Indonesia, became BHO II in 1982." Dr. Ron J. Polland
The “Mal-Val” youtube video at the link was posted by FReeper Polarik (Dr. Ron Polland) in August of 2011 and while morphing the image of a woman named “Val” into an image of Obama, he insinuates that “Val” is Obama’s mom. One year later this youtube has only 1,150 views.
In July 2012, two FReepers associated the woman, “Val,” in Polarik’s Youtube with Lebanese actress Valerie Sarruf and have posted multiple images of her at various ages on FR eligibility threads. I am opening this thread to invite discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf is Barack Obama’s mother, with or without Malcolm X being his father.
Where could Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf have been in 1960 when baby Barry would have been conceived? Is there any evidence that Sarruf could have been pregnant and delivered a baby in 1961? In what country could the baby have been delivered? How and when could the alleged Mal-Val baby have been inserted into the identity and life narrative of the person we have come to know as Barack Hussein Obama?
Full disclosure: I refute categorically all of the Mal-Val narrative as wildly speculative and unsupported by any evidence that I have seen so far.
For several years now a shadowy coterie of FReepers styling themselves as “researchers” has gone onto nearly every FR eligibility thread to aggressively refute all evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was Barack Obama’s mother. They have actually declared flat out that she was never in Hawaii before 1963, contrary to the voluminous evidence including INS FOIA documents!
Requests for links or any evidence that Stanley Ann is NOT the mom have been frequently met with abusive ad hominem attacks and accompanied by claims that ALL documentary evidence showing her to have been in Hawaii in 1960 and 1961 is forged, but no credible evidence of forgery has offered. I make this observation as a retired Certified Fraud Examiner and CPA.
For years the “researchers” had claimed mysteriously to have conclusive evidence that a different woman is Barry’s mom, but refused to reveal her name or any evidence other than her picture because the “researchers” claimed it would disappear from the net and/or from hard copy archives of the records. But this month, the “researchers” appear to have slipped up and revealed that Valerie Sarruf has been the woman whose identity they have been “protecting.” They have since attempted to walk back the revelation, but it is clear, IMO.
The “researchers” claim that they earnestly want to remove Obama from office. But wouldn’t revealing ALL EVIDENCE of a foreign mother and foreign birth (which they also claim) be the most logical approach to removing Obama rather than hiding the identity of this alternative mother for years while attacking FR threads that sincerely attempt to find out where Stanley Ann Dunham was when she gave birth to Barry?
In my opinion, the best evidence that Valerie Sarruf is NOT Barry’s mother is the mountain of evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham IS his mother, which the “researchers” have totally failed to refute.
Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.
At least you admit it. That’s a start.
I like that one. Cap fits
This is especially true when it has simply been requested that comments address the thread topics.
After 800 comments, not one bit of verifiable evidence in support of Valerie Sarruf being Barry's mom or Malcolm X being his dad has been posted.
Let me see if I've got this straight, after you were asked about Mr. Chief Engineer, you took offense and asked me to not ping you.
At your request, I have not pinged you since then.
In the meanwhile you have pinged me several times, now I'm asking you to please stop pinging me.
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(I know it’s just some random picture...no offense intended)
@ 601 Isn't Polland the one you're supporting?
@ 621 No, why do say that?
And yet @ here you are (and here too) pinging him.
Why are you bothering to ping him if you don't support him?
As you may have noticed, we have been trying our best to tell the story with images and documents, just what our research has indicated. To do so, meant breaking up the information into episodes, of which there are many. There’s a long list of characters and the action takes place on three continents.
I started over ONE YEAR AGO! I never got past episode one, for at every turn, at every comment I posted, there it was, the obstruction. Well, sorry folks, it’s just not going to happen now. I’m not in the habit of telling jokes starting with the punchline.
And while I was being attacked and the accusations that I was some sort of spy or subversive, flew thick and fast, I simply got tired and sick of it.
Beat me over the head and threaten me and write about TREASON all you want, bring in your best nasty pieces of work, all the lazy bee’s who never offered any help or showed anything new, who did nothing but criticize and denigrate, bring them all. Have a party on me. Lazy, lazy, lazy...smart-alecks. Oh-so clever. People who hadn’t posted here for eight years and now they attack me. They couldn’t save themselves and yet they accuse me of not doing what they expected of me - what?
TO SAVE OUR COUNTRY, someone wrote.
SAVE IT YOURSELF.
Take the responsilibity.
I’m through.
But cheer up, it’s not the end. The thousands of hours our little group put in aren’t being wasted. You just won’t get to read about it here. And some really choice bits of information we call LEADS are still being followed.
It seems there are some who expect us to provide PROGRESS REPORTS. There are some here who use strange words like THE PROPER AUTHORITIES.
Yep. It’s the proper authorities I would go to. Give me a clue, who are ‘the proper authorities’?
Your Justice Department? A petition to your congress perhaps?
There are fascists in your administration. Is THAT where we should have taken our material?
Needless to say, the majority of Freepers I have had the pleasure of meeting and dealing with on FR are delightful, decent people. It’s the obstructionists that make the task impossible. And they know who they are.
There’s one who believes his entire case rests on some photographs of an exotic model who had a slight resemblance to a certain woman whose name I am sick to death of writing. There’s another who believes if anyone dares to say that Frank Marshall Davis wasn’t the father of an extra son other than the one he had, then they are trying to take the attention away from a birth in Kenya...and all the while this nonsense is going on, I was sitting there trying my best to start from the beginning and tell the whole story.
It’s all Once Upon a Time now. I’m handing over the job and you’ll hear about it all from elsewhere. I can sleep easy and our resident little fascists can concentrate on someone else.
OMG. I MADE A TERRIBLE MISTAKE. I REALLY DID. THANKS FOR SETTING ME STRAIGHT!
Isn't Polland the one you're supporting?
No, why do say that?
We have here a classic example of a disinformation double tap.
Brown Deer seems to answer my question in the negative yet he doesn't actually answer the question as he formed a question instead of making a declarative statement in either the affirmative or the negative.
This allows him the opportunity, if later accused, to say "I never said that" because, technically, he would be right in that he never actually said outright that he doesn't support him.
You answered the question with a question, Brown Deer, so as to give the impression that you don't support him.
Your question in response to my question merely redirects my question instead of providing an answer in either the affirmative or the negative.
/Psyops 201
Do you realize what my mistake was? I thought you had included me in that comment about thread behaviour, so I chose the line that most fitted what I felt I had been subjected to, and replied with the image. Google only had a girl with a cap that seemed to fit the message, and you thought I meant it for you.
Sokay. I’m finished anyway. One day Brown Deer might be able to explain why I made such a silly mistake.
Enjoy your new FRiends.
@ Alias Barack Obama: The greatest identity fraud in history
(Ju1y 21, 2011.) Dr. Ron Polland, PhD, has just finished a new e-Book, Alias Barack Obama: The greatest identity fraud in history...
You got something going back before Ju1y 21, 2011 or did you start after that?
ONCE. TODAY. BY WAY OF MISUNDERSTANDING. DON'T EXAGGERATE.
Thanks for the highly informative Ping.
Just the same, with the exception of this single reply, I’ll continue to avoid this thread like the plague. ;)
That is unless you have to pay to read it and then you can count me out.
I took a look at the those files and they are sequential, so the only tiny portion of interest to me are the files near October 28, 1960 when the best actual evidence available shows Barry's little sperm-egg combo got together.
As far as I can tell, the FBI files show that Malcolm X was in the NYC area that time including a trip to make a speech at Yale U.
So far none of the Mal-Val “researchers” have made any public claims regarding where or when Mal and Val got together and there is no evidence I have seen that Valerie Sarruf was ever in the US prior to 1961 that I have seen. I would welcome any such evidence, if it is in the FBI files, but it is clearly up to those making the Mal-Val claims to support the claims and not up to me to go on wild goose chases when I frankly don't believe the Mal-Val narrative is even remotely possible.
The Sarruf family in Lebanon and all of the Sarruf family tree are Maronite Christian, from what I have seen. They were in Lebanon before the Arab Muslims invaded and regard them as clan enemies and rivals. Absent evidence that Valerie converted, her default religion would be Muslim.
Malcolm X underwent his own conversion from being NOI at the conception of Barry in 1960 to getting kicked out of NOI in 1963 and then becoming a white-Muslim friendly Wahhabi in 1964 at around the time when the supposed miraculous transportation of Barry to Hawaii is supposed to have occurred.
Any plot to hide a secret son of X with a secret nanny, Stanley Ann, would have had to have morphed from being a plot to raise Barry NOI Muslim (totally having nothing to do with the Islam of Indonesia or anywhere else, BTW) to being a plot to raise Barry Wahhabi.
None of this Mal-Val mash-up of time-line and geography for Mal and Val and Barry and Stanley Ann makes the slightest bit of sense when compared to the verifiable documented evidence that Stanley Ann was the mother was reported as pregnant by U of HI officials to the INS and who enrolled as the INS docs anticipated at the U of WA in Sept 1961.
I started trying to tell the story about the blending of two women to create the myth of the mother in 2009. Go through my IN FORUM comments. I find your suggestion that I am a Polarik groupie offensive and utterly baseless, I posted a link to his video AND THAT’S AS FAR AS IT GOES.
Now do some research of your own and stop hounding me.
Are you aware that as Polarik is still a member here, one places their name into the TO: FIELD?
SCUMBAG! But you know it and are proud of it.
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