Posted on 08/01/2012 11:18:33 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
"Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama. Black Sunni Muslim father and White Lebanese Christian mother. Born in the ME, raised in Indonesia, became BHO II in 1982." Dr. Ron J. Polland
The “Mal-Val” youtube video at the link was posted by FReeper Polarik (Dr. Ron Polland) in August of 2011 and while morphing the image of a woman named “Val” into an image of Obama, he insinuates that “Val” is Obama’s mom. One year later this youtube has only 1,150 views.
In July 2012, two FReepers associated the woman, “Val,” in Polarik’s Youtube with Lebanese actress Valerie Sarruf and have posted multiple images of her at various ages on FR eligibility threads. I am opening this thread to invite discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf is Barack Obama’s mother, with or without Malcolm X being his father.
Where could Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf have been in 1960 when baby Barry would have been conceived? Is there any evidence that Sarruf could have been pregnant and delivered a baby in 1961? In what country could the baby have been delivered? How and when could the alleged Mal-Val baby have been inserted into the identity and life narrative of the person we have come to know as Barack Hussein Obama?
Full disclosure: I refute categorically all of the Mal-Val narrative as wildly speculative and unsupported by any evidence that I have seen so far.
For several years now a shadowy coterie of FReepers styling themselves as “researchers” has gone onto nearly every FR eligibility thread to aggressively refute all evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was Barack Obama’s mother. They have actually declared flat out that she was never in Hawaii before 1963, contrary to the voluminous evidence including INS FOIA documents!
Requests for links or any evidence that Stanley Ann is NOT the mom have been frequently met with abusive ad hominem attacks and accompanied by claims that ALL documentary evidence showing her to have been in Hawaii in 1960 and 1961 is forged, but no credible evidence of forgery has offered. I make this observation as a retired Certified Fraud Examiner and CPA.
For years the “researchers” had claimed mysteriously to have conclusive evidence that a different woman is Barry’s mom, but refused to reveal her name or any evidence other than her picture because the “researchers” claimed it would disappear from the net and/or from hard copy archives of the records. But this month, the “researchers” appear to have slipped up and revealed that Valerie Sarruf has been the woman whose identity they have been “protecting.” They have since attempted to walk back the revelation, but it is clear, IMO.
The “researchers” claim that they earnestly want to remove Obama from office. But wouldn’t revealing ALL EVIDENCE of a foreign mother and foreign birth (which they also claim) be the most logical approach to removing Obama rather than hiding the identity of this alternative mother for years while attacking FR threads that sincerely attempt to find out where Stanley Ann Dunham was when she gave birth to Barry?
In my opinion, the best evidence that Valerie Sarruf is NOT Barry’s mother is the mountain of evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham IS his mother, which the “researchers” have totally failed to refute.
Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.
I thought it was a self portrait of you digging your own hole. Sorry about that.
You really should set some higher goals for yourself.
Greenperson, your statement on circumstantial evidence is central to the person presenting himself as "Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.":Circumstantial is what we’re left with when there’s NO primary evidence in sight. NONE presented to ANY court, even though there were ample opportunities. We’re to believe that the “birth certificate” is real. If so, then why did he not present it to the very first judge? Why did he not present it to ANY reporter who asked to see it? Why is it still not available for scrutiny? Why did Mr. Lakin go to prison when Obama could have simply showed him the document?
There are no documents to authenticate forensically, or even SEE. There are NONE.
People have gone to the gas chamber on circumstantial evidence alone. It’s legitimate evidence and sometimes, it’s all there is. Anybody who’s ever sat on a jury knows that. The evidence is presented. The jury weighs it and decides. OFTEN in a jury trial, there is conflicting evidence. It’s the jury’s decision to weigh credibility. Imho, Obama has none.
What is clear is that the evidence presented by DBA Obama is forged, fabricated, altered, suppressed, suspect, stonewalled, hence not authentic, not complete, not credible, inadmissible.
The personal statements have been contradictory, continually revised, ultimately unreliable.
The documents are blatant concoctions (the shadow under the text of the birth certificate when laser printing bonds the ink to the paper eliminating any possibility of shadow).
The transcripts are embargoed.
The photographic record is laughable.
As to your question in re why would a son be more at risk than a daughter, some considerations.
Malcolm X was under FBI surveillance beginning in 1951. The first raid with shots fired was in 1957.
The FBI placed a number of its operatives in NOI to neutralize Malcolm X, and this likely became a kill operation.
The FBI operative ("former FBI agent") John X Ali Simmons met with the convicted/confessed assassin the night before the Audubon Ballroom shooting.
This is years after the birth and transfer to Indonesia of the son.
The daughters were likely no more targets than Betty.
The son bore a double mark: he had to be hidden to protect Malcolm's reputation, but he would bear a target upon him as a potential successor.
After all, in NOI, Elijah's sons and grandson had leadership positions.
Cora Weiss soon began weaving Barack Hussein Obama into an airlift which never happened.
He declared in 1962 that he had last been in Kenya seven years prior, making it 1955. No airlift for him.
Yet it looms large in the legend.
The son of the man who was suspended from NOI for calling the JFK assassination "chickens comin' home to roost" spent two decades in the church of the man who called 911 "chickens comin' home to roost".
There is a sense of completion in the hypothesis.
There is no Kenyan father nor Kansan mother.
We're not in Kansas anymore.
“There is no Kenyan father nor Kansan mother.”
Please take note of this from the article at the top of the thread:
The “researchers” claim that they earnestly want to remove Obama from office. But wouldn’t revealing ALL EVIDENCE of a foreign mother and foreign birth (which they also claim) be the most logical approach to removing Obama rather than hiding the identity of this alternative mother for years while attacking FR threads that sincerely attempt to find out where Stanley Ann Dunham was when she gave birth to Barry?
In my opinion, the best evidence that Valerie Sarruf is NOT Barry’s mother is the mountain of evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham IS his mother, which the “researchers” have totally failed to refute.
Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.
At least that is my reading of the tea leaves.
But wouldn’t revealing ALL EVIDENCE of a foreign mother and foreign birth (which they also claim) be the most logical approach to removing Obama rather than hiding the identity of this alternative mother for years while attacking FR threads that sincerely attempt to find out where Stanley Ann Dunham was when she gave birth to Barry?
Several responses to that have been given.
The evidence, purportedly, has already been given to the "proper parties".
The research is still ongoing.
The cat can't be let out of the bag too early.
There can't be any nay-Sayer graffiti on the billboard.
Yet despite all of these reasons/excuses the revelation of such evidential information would generate a huge new debate based upon such evidence and it would help further the purported goal.
Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.
Well I've got nothing other than Polland's book and video and I don't use pay to view websites so I don't know what they may or may not contain.
Does anyone know how to send a freep mail or post to the State of Washington freepers? is there a ping list for each state? There has to be a freeper in the Seattle area that can find a Mercer Island 1960 yearbook for us. It can’t be that hard to find one.
If nobody with the authority to do so even files a simple uttering charge, much less a forgery charge, what makes you think anybody is going to file a treason charge?
Those who commit treason against their nation or state should not imagine they are certain to escape the penalty.
Strangely, an Obot troll or cabal of trolls, or unwitting Obama enablers intent on diverting FReepers on eligibility threads from exploring where Stanley Ann gave birth to Barry could easily be tempted to devise a vicious, insidious strategy of working their way into the confidence of FReepers, say with a lot of interesting posted pictures, and then claiming to have secret conclusive evidence that an entirely different birth narrative for Barry was true for the purpose of preventing FReepers from harming Barry.
If challenged to release this secret evidence, such Obot trolls or unwitting enablers could easily claim that revealing this evidence would cause it to disappear or compromise sources.
When further pressed, because years have gone by and there is no sign that this evidence is being used by anyone to remove Barry from office or build public awareness that Barry was ineligible based on the claimed alternative narrative, the Obot trolls or unwitting enablers could then claim to have already given the evidence to the “proper authorities.”
All of these claims and excuses are unverifiable, but could be used by Obots or unwitting enablers to preserve DOUBT regarding the actual verifiable narrative of Barry's origins as the son of Stanley Ann proved by evidence beyond a reasonable doubt.
IMO, it would be unpatriotic and un-American to fall for unsubstantiated claims of secret evidence that serve to protect Barry when this disjointed, incoherent, inconsistent “evidence” of Malcolm X and Valerie Sarrut being his parents cannot be true because it is refuted by verifiable, corroborated evidence from multiple sources forming a consistent narrative that Stanley Ann is Barry's mom.
(Excerpted)
How to Spot – and Defeat – Disruption on the Internet
Posted on August 13, 2012 by WashingtonsBlog
"... classic lessons on how to spot disruption and disinformation tactics.
1. Start a partisan divide-and-conquer fight or otherwise push emotional buttons to sew discord and ensure that cooperation is thwarted. Get people fighting against each other instead of the corrupt powers-that-be. ... Appeal to people’s basest prejudices and biases.
Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule … Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as ..."
This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label..".
3. Demand complete, fool-proof and guaranteed solutions to the problems being discussed. "... and pretend that it’s not worth talking about the details of the - manipulation. - This discourages people from reporting on and publicizing the corruption, fraud and other real problems. - And it ensures that not enough people will spread the facts so that the majority know what’s really going on.
4. Suggest extreme, over-the-top, counter-productive solutions which will hurt more than help, - or which are wholly disproportionate to what is being discussed. ..." This discredits the attempt to spread the facts and to organize, and is simply the web method of the provocateur.
6. Coordinate with a couple of others to “shout down” reasonable comments.
The following 4 tactics ... are also still commonly used:
11. Become incredulous and indignant
Avoid discussing key issues and instead focus on side issues which can be used show the topic as being critical of some otherwise sacrosanct group or theme. - This is also known as the “How dare you!” gambit.
12. Use a straw man. --- Find or create a seeming element of your opponent’s argument which you can easily knock down - to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad.
Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. - Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues.
14. Question motives. Twist or amplify any fact which could so taken to imply that the opponent operates out of a hidden personal agenda or other bias. - This forces them on the defensive.
15. Associate opponent charges with old news.... so much the better where the opponent is or was involved with the original source.
Specifically... readers will learn about the specific disruption tactic being used … in context, - like seeing wildlife while holding a wildlife guide, so that one learns what it looks like “in the field”.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/
Exactly!
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