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Posted on 08/01/2012 11:18:33 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
"Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama. Black Sunni Muslim father and White Lebanese Christian mother. Born in the ME, raised in Indonesia, became BHO II in 1982." Dr. Ron J. Polland
The “Mal-Val” youtube video at the link was posted by FReeper Polarik (Dr. Ron Polland) in August of 2011 and while morphing the image of a woman named “Val” into an image of Obama, he insinuates that “Val” is Obama’s mom. One year later this youtube has only 1,150 views.
In July 2012, two FReepers associated the woman, “Val,” in Polarik’s Youtube with Lebanese actress Valerie Sarruf and have posted multiple images of her at various ages on FR eligibility threads. I am opening this thread to invite discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf is Barack Obama’s mother, with or without Malcolm X being his father.
Where could Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf have been in 1960 when baby Barry would have been conceived? Is there any evidence that Sarruf could have been pregnant and delivered a baby in 1961? In what country could the baby have been delivered? How and when could the alleged Mal-Val baby have been inserted into the identity and life narrative of the person we have come to know as Barack Hussein Obama?
Full disclosure: I refute categorically all of the Mal-Val narrative as wildly speculative and unsupported by any evidence that I have seen so far.
For several years now a shadowy coterie of FReepers styling themselves as “researchers” has gone onto nearly every FR eligibility thread to aggressively refute all evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was Barack Obama’s mother. They have actually declared flat out that she was never in Hawaii before 1963, contrary to the voluminous evidence including INS FOIA documents!
Requests for links or any evidence that Stanley Ann is NOT the mom have been frequently met with abusive ad hominem attacks and accompanied by claims that ALL documentary evidence showing her to have been in Hawaii in 1960 and 1961 is forged, but no credible evidence of forgery has offered. I make this observation as a retired Certified Fraud Examiner and CPA.
For years the “researchers” had claimed mysteriously to have conclusive evidence that a different woman is Barry’s mom, but refused to reveal her name or any evidence other than her picture because the “researchers” claimed it would disappear from the net and/or from hard copy archives of the records. But this month, the “researchers” appear to have slipped up and revealed that Valerie Sarruf has been the woman whose identity they have been “protecting.” They have since attempted to walk back the revelation, but it is clear, IMO.
The “researchers” claim that they earnestly want to remove Obama from office. But wouldn’t revealing ALL EVIDENCE of a foreign mother and foreign birth (which they also claim) be the most logical approach to removing Obama rather than hiding the identity of this alternative mother for years while attacking FR threads that sincerely attempt to find out where Stanley Ann Dunham was when she gave birth to Barry?
In my opinion, the best evidence that Valerie Sarruf is NOT Barry’s mother is the mountain of evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham IS his mother, which the “researchers” have totally failed to refute.
Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.
Maybe you should visit the Spindletop Center.
I already have. It's not much.
no I didn’t twist your words at all. That was an afterthought from you, after you already responded, and I replied, knowing full well what you said.
I “cut & pasted” your words, “His sales are non existent...” - you made a statement, followed up by a question about hopes of increased sales. You said nothing at all about a stagnant book. How could it be stagnant, if it was just released?
You clearly said sales are non existant, which means no books have been sold.
If they had released it those of you who posit this theory would be posting it all over the place saying..."See what we helped find!"
You said...They keep my name (and others) out of it, because I've asked them too.
Isn't Polland the one you're supporting?
No, why do say that?
Because of the statements you make like the one above.
When u lot show something important they try to hide it by filling up the thread with argument.
When I get back to work, now that my rotor cuffs are healed, I'm in one of the most sought after crafts in the workforce.
Like I said on the other thread...it isn't simply a matter of picking up the phone any more as my foremen are now either dead or retired.
Please continue your sophistry. It's actually quite amusing though not very subtle.
What has been shown that is so important?
I'd really like to know.
All I see is a bunch of assumptions and assertions.
Playing games again? You quoted me, then changed the wording around in your follow-up post to my response?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2913366/posts?page=153#153
You already know what I stated earlier and I’m through arguing with the village idiot, who continues to lie about me. If you want to continue making a fool of yourself, go ahead.
I’m not going to play your childish games anymore. So, why don’t you get up off your lazy caboose and get out and look for a job, instead of wasting the taxpayers money? Yes, we know you already denied it, but we also know better, since you’ve already been caught in so many lies.
Bye, bye, MORON.
You already know what I stated earlier...
You've stated a lot of things. Once again you're being vague to the extreme so that you don't have to substantiate what you say and you provide no specific references.
...and I’m through arguing with the village idiot, who continues to lie about me.
I'm the idiot? You're the one who can't even tell a question from a statement!
What lies, specifically, have I told about you?
If you want to continue making a fool of yourself, go ahead.
These phony psychological ploys of yours are useless and I don't know why you keep trying to use them.
So, why don’t you get up off your lazy caboose and get out and look for a job, instead of wasting the taxpayers money?
It ain't working. Try something else.
Yes, we know you already denied it, but we also know better, since you’ve already been caught in so many lies.
Well look at you. Is that the "editorial" we or the "royal" we?
Bye, bye, MORON.
It's a question, not a statement and you're the moron for not knowing the difference.
Go ahead, run away.
Wow! So upper right THAT IS THE ONE?
“and who do you think has been feeding him information? NOT YOU!”
Several months ago a lone blogger alleged that Arpaio had evidence that Malcolm X was Barry's dad (no reference to Valerie Sarruf) but as yet, there is no evidence I have seen that Arpaio has such evidence.
I try to follow the same “Sgt. Friday” approach that Sheriff Arpaio has taken, which is “Don't overstate your evidence.” For example, Arpaio has repeatedly refused to accuse Barry of forging his own BC, but rather has stuck to making the exact accusation that he can prove, which is that the BC was forged. Arpaio has not yet found sufficient evidence to prove WHO forged it.
Similarly, the fact that Barry has submitted a forged BC to the media does not prove that he was NOT born on HI to the parents he claims are on his original BC, but only that Barry has failed to prove that he WAS born there to those parents.
I try my best to “channel my inner Sgt. Friday” at all times on Free Republic eligibility threads and especially on this thread, which I started. “Just the facts, Ma'am”! Sadly, abuse from those claiming to possess secret facts sufficient to render Barry ineligible is what I have been receiving back so far.
I stand in awe of the patience and diligence of the researchers.
They do true service to the conservative cause, the cause of freedom, the raison d'etre of Free Republic.
And not only are they putting themselves at risk from the 0kaka team, but they are the target of extreme nastiness from characters on FR (some of whom may also be part of the previous group just mentioned).
The fight was started specifically to derail the discussion and thus obscure any information, make it look crazy so people won’t want to read the thread, muddy the water, and throw crap on the people posting serious info.
It’s quite simple.
Need to read Fred's posts. As Fred points out, when MX came back from Bandung, he said there were no white people there, even though half the attendee's were Arabs and North Africans.
The Lebanese woman wasn't white, as far as MX was concerned.
Matter of fact same color as Zero--why Zero uses something to make his skin darker; he's afraid someone will make the same connection; he isn't really black either.
Matter of fact, I think you could get a judge to conclude that the fact he prepared and published a fraudulent Birth Certificate alleging birth in Hawaii results in the inference that he was not actually born in Hawaii where the legal issue is birth in the several states of the United States.
Having written on the subject at least once, if he was born in the US, he is eligible to hold the office no matter who his parents were or what their citizenship was--if he was not born in the United States, he is not eligible under Article II, Sec. 1 of the Constitution.
So the falsehood that he was born in Hawaii leads to the fair inference that he was not born in Hawaii.
From the same link you gave: ,p> "Apr. 22, 1964 - Makes his Hajj and becomes El-Hajj Malik al-Shabazz"
Very interesting. So as of 1964, long after Malcolm X would have been a candidate to be the father of Barry with any woman of any race or religion, as of 1964 Malcolm X appears to have embraced the following formulations:
1.White Muslims: good, white non-Muslims: evil.
2. Muslim semites: good, Jewish/Christian semites (presumably like Valerie Sarruf): evil
Note that Maronites are not Arab and are of the same semitic racial stock as Jews whom Malcolm X considered to be equally evil if not equal to whites.
See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maronites
"Maronites (Arabic: الموارنة; al-mawārinah, Syriac: ܡܪ̈ܘܢܝܐ; maronāyé) are a Pre-Arab Semitic Christian ethnoreligious group in the Levant."
Especially prior to 1963 when X was ejected from the NOI, X would have been expected to have categorically rejected and found repugnant a sexual liason with Christian Valerie Sarruf, and after his 1964 "radical alteration of outlook" towards ONLY white Muslims, X would ALSO have rejected Christian (presumably Maronite Christian) Valerie Sarruf, IMO.
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