Re:"Mal and Val - not Ann and the Old Man" Any evidence Valerie Sarruf is Obama's mom? (vanity)

Seizethecarp vanity commentary on Dr. Ron J. Polland youtube dated 08/07/11 ^ | August 1, 2012 | Seizethecarp (vanity)

[Seizethecarp]

"Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama. Black Sunni Muslim father and White Lebanese Christian mother. Born in the ME, raised in Indonesia, became BHO II in 1982." Dr. Ron J. Polland

The “Mal-Val” youtube video at the link was posted by FReeper Polarik (Dr. Ron Polland) in August of 2011 and while morphing the image of a woman named “Val” into an image of Obama, he insinuates that “Val” is Obama’s mom. One year later this youtube has only 1,150 views.

In July 2012, two FReepers associated the woman, “Val,” in Polarik’s Youtube with Lebanese actress Valerie Sarruf and have posted multiple images of her at various ages on FR eligibility threads. I am opening this thread to invite discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf is Barack Obama’s mother, with or without Malcolm X being his father.

Where could Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf have been in 1960 when baby Barry would have been conceived? Is there any evidence that Sarruf could have been pregnant and delivered a baby in 1961? In what country could the baby have been delivered? How and when could the alleged Mal-Val baby have been inserted into the identity and life narrative of the person we have come to know as Barack Hussein Obama?

Full disclosure: I refute categorically all of the Mal-Val narrative as wildly speculative and unsupported by any evidence that I have seen so far.

For several years now a shadowy coterie of FReepers styling themselves as “researchers” has gone onto nearly every FR eligibility thread to aggressively refute all evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was Barack Obama’s mother. They have actually declared flat out that she was never in Hawaii before 1963, contrary to the voluminous evidence including INS FOIA documents!

Requests for links or any evidence that Stanley Ann is NOT the mom have been frequently met with abusive ad hominem attacks and accompanied by claims that ALL documentary evidence showing her to have been in Hawaii in 1960 and 1961 is forged, but no credible evidence of forgery has offered. I make this observation as a retired Certified Fraud Examiner and CPA.

For years the “researchers” had claimed mysteriously to have conclusive evidence that a different woman is Barry’s mom, but refused to reveal her name or any evidence other than her picture because the “researchers” claimed it would disappear from the net and/or from hard copy archives of the records. But this month, the “researchers” appear to have slipped up and revealed that Valerie Sarruf has been the woman whose identity they have been “protecting.” They have since attempted to walk back the revelation, but it is clear, IMO.

The “researchers” claim that they earnestly want to remove Obama from office. But wouldn’t revealing ALL EVIDENCE of a foreign mother and foreign birth (which they also claim) be the most logical approach to removing Obama rather than hiding the identity of this alternative mother for years while attacking FR threads that sincerely attempt to find out where Stanley Ann Dunham was when she gave birth to Barry?

In my opinion, the best evidence that Valerie Sarruf is NOT Barry’s mother is the mountain of evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham IS his mother, which the “researchers” have totally failed to refute.

Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.

[little jeremiah]

And it has evidence to back it up, that’s one difference.

[Fred Nerks]

Each of those people had a life story, it’s known who they are and were, where they came from and where they went. And I mean each one.
Their biographies all stand on their own without the inclusion of the Dunham name.
The trick of ‘Dreams’ was to blend the unrelated Dunhams into the myth of Dreams, to provide parents and an ID for the unidentified child she showed up with in Hawaii in 1963, as his Nanny.

[Fred Nerks]

Been trying to post that information with graphics and images for at least the last two years, but it’s too scary, so the resident detractors are left with nothing but ‘his father was FMD who was paid by the KGB to send her to Kenya to have the baby’

And not one iota of new information since, just the same pooh-pooh rubbish over and over.

And meanwhile, the CCP admits they can find no evidence that SAD was his mother, nor can they find any physical evidence of her presence in Hawaii before 1963.

[Brown Deer]

CROSS-POSTING!

Shrimpton reported Obama's purported mom was not pregnant in 1961 and that Obama was born in Kenya in 1960. ~~ Posted on ‎2‎/‎26‎/‎2014‎ ‎9‎:‎33‎:‎18‎ ‎AM by Seizethecarp

Michael Shrimpton is a barrister, called to the Bar in London 1983 and is a specialist in National Security and Constitutional Law, Strategic Intelligence and Counter-Terrorism. He has wide ranging connections both in Western Intelligence agencies and amongst ex-Soviet Bloc agencies. Michael has earned respect in the intelligence community for his analysis of previously unacknowledged post WWII covert operations against the West by organisations based in Washington, Munich, Paris and Brussels and which are continuing in post 9-11. ~~ posted on ‎2‎/‎26‎/‎2014‎ ‎9‎:‎38‎:‎07‎ ‎AM by Seizethecarp

[Brown Deer]

For several years now a shadowy coterie of FReepers styling themselves as “researchers” has gone onto nearly every FR eligibility thread to aggressively refute all evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was Barack Obama’s mother.

Posted on ‎8‎/‎1‎/‎2012‎ ‎1‎:‎18‎:‎33‎ ‎PM by Seizethecarp

[Seizethecarp]

Cross-posting FR thread on which UK Barrister Shrimpton is making hearsay claims that the CIA and UK intelligence services knew that BHO Sr. is Barry’s dad, but Barry was born in Mombasa in 1960 to a different mistress and also that Barry has an unknown full-blooded sister born to that unknown mom:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3127201/posts?q=1&;page=1#1

Note that on this the Mal-Val “researchers” make numerous attempts to link these new hearsay claims to the Mal-Val narrative and that these claims somehow support Fred Nerks’ as-yet unsupported and incoherent “researcher” speculations.

[Brown Deer]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/3127201/posts?page=311#311

Cross-posting:

” have never said that I believe that FMD is Barry’s dad. Just because Fred Nerks keeps falsely posting that I have said this doesn’t make it true.”

Did you see that?

HERE’S THAT COLLECTION OF HIS COMMENTS AGAIN, THE SOURCES ARE AT THE LINK:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2991236/posts?page=598#598

SeizetheCrap: “FM Davis, a known KGB asset who could also be the father, was married to a wealthy white woman and he could have had the means, motive, and opportunity to spirit Stanley Ann off to Kenya, for example.”

SeizetheCrap: “FM Davis and Obama Sr. were committed Communists wired into the KGB funded front groups in Kenya and Chicago with access to money. FM Davis’ wife was wealthy and a pregnancy of a 17 white freshman would have been extremely embarrassing and potentially politically damaging to either Davis or Obama Sr. and to the international Soviet Communist Party.

Davis had the money to give Obama Sr. to assume paternity (only available black man to provide cover for Davis?) and Kenya was a perfect place to ship the romantic revolutionary Stanley Ann off to to complete the pregnancy out of sight...followed up by hiding her out in Seattle until Obama Sr. was gone from HI.”

SeizetheCrap: “Davis could be Obama’s dad, but Obama may have been born in Kenya thanks to the KGB or Davis’ wife’s money trying to hide the mixed race child turning up so close to Davis in HI where there were only a few available “suspects.””

SeizetheCrap: “Let’s say Frank M. Davis, a big-time Commie with a rich wife and connections to KGB gets Stanley Ann pregnant (perhaps little O was in the oven in the Xmas nude photo shoot?).

Obama Sr. was also a commie and may have been drafted to take the heat off of Davis.

To make sure that a father other than Frank Davis is on the baby BC and that there IS a father on the BC romantic and impressionable Stanley Ann agrees to a secret “wedding” on an out of the way HI island attended by nobody in Feb 1961. Then heads off by herself or with a KGB provided escort to a glorious exotic revolutionary life in Africa, paid for by Davis, the USA Commies or the KGB who had big plans for Obama Sr back in Africa when he returned.”

And I’m really getting past caring about losing my membership here if so many lies over such a long period can get an honest person who almost always provides graphics, photographs and sources with their comments, removed after TEN YEARS!
When HE was banned, I was one of the people who asked for him to be reinstated. That’s one pathetic short memory he’s got.

[Brown Deer]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/3127201/posts?page=317#317

Cross-posting:

Obama’s actual father is Frank Marshall Davis, and it can be proved to save Obama’s presidency, Obama is NBC regardless of what Stanley Ann put on the BC, or where Obama was born. The messiest case is Davis is the father, but Obama II was born in Kenya “illegitimate.” ~~ posted on 09/26/2009 11:38:03 AM PDT by Seizethecarp

Most of the other potential witnesses are dead and Obama has made such a huge investment in his BHO persona that he would be NBC but a life-long fraud if he claimed that he could now prove Davis was his father, not just his mentor, and Obama knew it. ~~ posted on 09/30/2009 3:20:33 PM PDT by Seizethecarp

[Brown Deer]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3127201/replies?c=58

cross-posting:

Barry is open to being blackmailed by any nation or party who knows and could prove he is ineligible which is why faithfulness to the NBC clause was always a national security issue.

[Seizethecarp]

I don’t say that I believe that FMD is the dad in a single one of those quotes. I only use conditional terms such as if, could, might, suppose.

Compare the number of my FMD comments that you have twisted to how many times I have said that IMO the best evidence that BHO Sr. IS the dad is how much Baby David resembles Baby Barack.

[Brown Deer]

I don’t say that I believe that FMD is the dad in a single one of those quotes. I only use conditional terms such as if, could, might, suppose.

So you twist words so that you can make people believe something, and then wiggle out of what you said later? kind of like what your president does?

[Brown Deer]

Compare the number of my FMD comments that you have twisted...

Twisted? you have been accurately quoted multiple times!

[Fred Nerks]

Don’t worry about it, all those would-be-could-be-maybe- should-be-only-IF comments are nothing but gas escaping from an acid stomach. There’s never a document or a quote or a link or a source or a photograph to go with anything, because it hasn’t got a clue, it’s just taking up space and breathing your oxygen.

[Fred Nerks]

It’s a lot like trying to catch an eel with bare hands, this one never makes a comment unless there’s an escape clause built in. You only think he has an opinion, but in reality he doesn’t, opinions mean you have to state what they are, and sometimes be asked to explain why. All those ifs and buts and maybes and couldbes and shouldbes and wouldbes mean he can wriggle out of anything he says, just like a slippery eel. Politicians are experts at it. Clinton made it a fine art, didn’t he?
Just insinuations that the other party is in the wrong, and never responsible for anything.
Whoops! There he goes, he’s wriggled out of your hands again.

[Brown Deer]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/3127201/replies?c=495

Cross-posting (seizethecarp attempting to defend 0bama multiple times):

To: Boogieman; Fred Nerks; LucyT

but I don’t know if anyone has seen it.

On page 26, of “Dreams From My Father”, it says he discovered his “birth certificate” during his high school years (about the same time that he got his SSN from Connecticut) inside a book with “old vaccination forms” and an article published in a Hawaii newspaper written by his alleged father.

Since he had over 20 unpaid parking tickets from when he lived in Massachusetts, he also had a driver’s license. State law in Massachusetts requires you to present documentation of your date of birth to get a driver’s license. So he’s had it all along.

495 posted on 02/28/2014 6:43:25 PM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)

To: Brown Deer

Or he’s got something else he showed them to get the card, if it wasn’t his own certificate. Who knows? I think his records will be sealed up longer than those classified JFK documents.

499 posted on 02/28/2014 6:55:48 PM PST by Boogieman

To: Brown Deer

“Since he had over 20 unpaid parking tickets from when he lived in Massachusetts, he also had a driver’s license.”

He was likely just a student while at Harvard, not a legal resident, unless he chose to declare himself to be one. He probably had an IL license from his prior residence working as a community agitator.

500 posted on 02/28/2014 10:44:22 PM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from “runway kill zone” mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)

To: Seizethecarp

He probably had an IL license from his prior residence...

and they also have the same requirements.

Stop making excuses for your president.

501 posted on 03/01/2014 7:32:39 AM PST by Brown Deer (uire)

To: Seizethecarp

He was likely just a student while at Harvard, not a legal resident, unless he chose to declare himself to be one.

Not a legal resident? Was he an illegal alien? He didn’t own a residence anywhere else in this country.

If you have recently moved to Massachusetts, you must obtain a valid Massachusetts license upon becoming a resident.

You must present the following:
o Out-of-state License.
o Document proving date of birth
o Document proving signature
o Document proving Massachusetts residency
o A Social Security Number

Residents of Massachusetts (MA) are required to have a valid MA license to legally operate a vehicle in MA. Out-of-state or foreign-licensed drivers MUST obtain a MA driver’s license upon becoming a MA resident.

Massachusetts law defines residency status as follows:

You are a Full-year Resident if your legal residence (domicile) was in Massachusetts for the entire taxable year or if you maintained a permanent place of abode in Massachusetts and spent in the aggregate more than 183 days of the taxable year in Massachusetts, including days spent partially in and partially out of Massachusetts.

Example: Barry is a student at a university in Massachusetts. He lives in an off-campus apartment near the university. He moves into the apartment in September, 1988 and lives there until 1991. Since Barry is present in Massachusetts for more than 183 days and is maintaining a permanent place of abode since he has been living at this apartment for one year or more (September, 1988 – June, 1991), Barry is considered a resident of Massachusetts, even if his domicile is elsewhere and he intends to leave Massachusetts upon his future graduation.

504 posted on 03/01/2014 9:28:36 AM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)

To: Brown Deer

There have been obscene property taxes on in MA over the years for vehicles registered to MA residents which MA wouldn’t dare to impose on the tens of thousands of out-of-state resident students who attend the hundreds of colleges in Ma. It is obvious from the form below that the 183 day rule doesn’t apply as a requirement that students obtain an MA license and registration.

Apparently MA only requires that “nonresident driver” students fill out a form declaring that they have adequate insurance and some other information and display a decal:

“NONRESIDENT DRIVER STATEMENT”

http://www.massrmv.com/rmv/forms/20098.pdf

Pursuant to the provisions of M.G.L c.90 § 3, as amended by chapter 46 of the acts of 2003, this form must be completed in quadruplicate by every nonresident enrolled as a student at a public or private school or college in the Commonwealth during any period beginning on September 1st of any year and ending on August 31st of the following year, who operates a motor vehicle in Massachusetts that is registered in another state or country. This applies to students commuting from out-of-state to a school in Massachusetts and students temporarily residing in Massachusetts, whether living on campus or not. This completed form must be filed with the Police department in the city or town where the school is located. The Police department must provide a copy to the school, the local assessor, and the RMV. The school will issue the required decal, which must be affixed to the uppermost center portion of the windshield. The penalty for a nonresident’s failure to comply as required is up to $200.00.”

505 posted on 03/01/2014 9:55:14 AM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from “runway kill zone” mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)

To: Seizethecarp

and when they begin that?

Stop posting phony excuses for your president!

506 posted on 03/01/2014 10:07:53 AM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)

as amended by chapter 46 of the acts of 2003

507 posted on 03/01/2014 10:31:33 AM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)

[Seizethecarp]

Cross-posting new Mal-Val Narrative activity and refinement of claims:

“The Marriage of Obama’s Parents: ‘In Name Only’?”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3130965/posts?page=695#695

Per Fred Nerks

“I’ve clearly shown that the little boy identified as ‘David’ is actually zero.

“Mark was born in the year after Ruth arrived in Kenya, that makes his birth year 1965.

“The two boys sitting there together are very close in age, probably born in the same year.

“Yet the dark child Mark claims is he, is at least five years old in 1966. Which means he was born in the same year as zero was born, in 1961.

“It’s just not possible. If it’s a mistake, we are entitled to ask for a correction. If it’s not a mistake, if ‘David’ wasn’t zero’s twin, then there never was a ‘David’ - because that photograph shows someone else’s dark child and zero sitting somewhere together - probably in Boston, where Stanley Ann Dunham told Susan Blake she was going that very same day of her visit, and where the kenyan student told his associates at Harvard he was visiting HIS SON - which created the impression amongst the faculty that the kenyan ‘had another wife in Boston’ according to the INS file.

“The children, Mark who may not have known any better at the time, identified as himself and his brother ‘David’ are in all probability the child Mary babysat in January 1961 and the child whose identity isn’t known because he has a fake birth certificate.

“Name, date of birth, place of birth, names of parents UNKNOWN.

[Fred Nerks]

REPOSTED FROM #483

It really all boils down to which child was born in Hawaii, and which child Mary babysat in January 1961. The family group shows the kenyan with Ruth, and she's holding the half-black child which is Mark, who was born after she went to Kenya in late 1964. So Mark, although he hasn't actually said so, was born in 1965.

That leads to the question, who is the dark boy who is tall enough to reach her waist, in approx 1966?

If he is, as he appears to be, the same dark child sitting next little zero, then those two little boys were both born in the same year, the dark child being just a little older, and somewhere, somehow they were in the same place at the same time...one could assume in Boston, which is where Stanley Ann Dunham told Susan Blake she was going that very same day of her visit... And that's why the kenyan was able to tell friends at Harvard he was visiting his son. Which is what led the Harvard faculty to believe he had 'another wife' in Boston.

The dark child went to Kenya and lived with his father and stepmother. And the lighter boy shows up aged about two, with Stanley Ann Dunham in Hawaii, in 1963 in a photograph, when legend has it, she took him to the zoo.

[Fred Nerks]

Obama Sr. married schoolteacher, Ruth Baker, five months after his divorce to Ann Dunham, the mother of President Obama. The relationship produced two sons, Mark Okoth Obama (1965) and David Opiya Obama (1967-1987). The couple filed for divorce in 1973, and Ruth remarried a year later to Tanzanian businessman, Ndesandjo, and the two boys took his name. Mark, who holds a BSc (Physics) from Brown, an MSc (Physics) from Stanford and an MBA from Emory, runs a China-based internet consulting firm. His brother, David, died tragically in a motorcycle accident in 1987.

http://2012.presidential-candidates.org/Obama/Siblings.php

So for anyone still following this, Mark was born in 1965, the family group photograph shows Ruth holding Mark as a toddler, the dark boy who was photographed sitting next to zero, was born in 1961, so that same dark boy was FIVE years old in that family group image.

There’s no room for a ‘David’ in any of this story. ‘David’ is just the name they gave to the dark child whom Mary babysat in January 1961. And when you figure it out, you’ll have had the same epiphany we did. The light will eventaully go on.

++++++++++++++++++++++

Obama has half-siblings from his father’s first and third marriages in Africa .

Malik Obama (half-brother ) (b 1958)
Auma Obama (half-sister b 1960)
Abo Obama (maybe adopted half-brother b 1968)
Bernard Obama (maybe adopted half-brother b 1970)
Mark Ndesandjo ) half-brother by father’s third wife b c.1965
David Ndesandjo (1967-1987) half-brother by father’s third wife,
George Hussein Onyango Obama ( illegitimate half-brother, b c 1982)

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_are_Barack_Obama’s_siblings

[Fred Nerks]

REPEAT

Or, simply put, we have Mark identified as being the dark child in both images. He can't be Mark standing with his father and Ruth and be five years old in 1966, and then show up as Mark sitting next to zero in 1961, when he was born a year after Ruth arrived in Kenya in 1964.

That dark child isn't Mark, and the lighter child is zero, so the dark child was born a few months before zero, in 1961.

[Fred Nerks]

REPOSTED:

Poor old Barack, he arrives in Hawaii on a ticket paid for by Elizabeth Mooney-(Kirk) who also chips in for his living expenses until she marries an elderly man with grown up children of his own, and can’t support the handsome young black man who used to take her dancing in Nairobi any longer.

He’s got a scholarship and a visa for one year and pretty soon he’s totally out of funds and needs to get a job, he washes dishes in a cafe, then works for the Dole Corp pine-apple cannery for a few weeks for a buck fifty or so an hour. He writes home and says he’s married a white woman named Anna Toot and he’s working for an oil company, but there aren’t any oil companies in Hawaii; he probaly thought the cannery was beneath him what with his fake upper-crust British accent that he picked up from the teachers at the Anglican school he attended.

Then he writes to say he had a son. He applies for an extension for another year which is granted, and finds another sponsor, this time it’s The Africa-America Society who throw in a thousand bucks or so, that’s the organization that in later years would be fronted by Percy Sutton and Betty Shabazz, but don’t go looking for the archives of their Newsletters, that has been removed from the web. Totally. They’ve even changed the NAME. It’s now the AfricaN AmericaN Society and their archives are closed. The Africa-America Society were one of the first to bring students to the US from all over the world, many from Africa, some from Kenya.

Some 30 thousand over a period of years. Their funds came from The Rockefellers Trust; Standard Oil money. You’re supposed to believe he was part of the AASF-Mboya Airlift, but he wasn’t. Cora Weiss who held the purse-strings to the AASF says the kenyan student arrived in Hawaii on a parallel flight - but there weren’t any. She should know better, as she and Malcolm X welcomed the 81 students who landed at Idelwild Airport. Although he has written home to tell his father Onyango who is the only one who could read, he’s got a wife and a son in Hawaii, when he shows up in San Fransisco at the Blue Fox to have dinner with Hal Abercrombie and his blonde wife, he’s an obnoxious, rude and over-bearing man who treats the waiter like garbage.

He’s come into money, he has a scholarship to attend Harvard. He doesn’t mention his wife and son to Hal. He’s ditched them both obviously. She’s gone to where-ever she came from, probably the Philippines just like he told the immigration department, and the little boy, the one that Mary babysat in January 1961, is being cared for by someone somewhere close enough to where he lived at 170 Magazine Street Cambridge, because he’s telling his fellow students about visiting his son - and that might explain why it was thought that he must have had ‘another’ wife in Boston. While the kenyan student makes himself a PITA at Harvard and ends up being almost politely tipped out of the country, he’s cost the US heaven knows how much pain and aggro, it’s doubtful he was ever qualified to even apply for a scholarship to anywhere in the US because he had an arrest record in Kenya before he left. And when he did return, guess what? He worked for an oil company, not the government, because Mboya didn’t give him a job. He had to wait until another so called buddy of his became finance minister before he began his government job. And when Mboya was killed, he was the last man to see him alive, and had to surrender his passport. And all this is available on the web, if anyone ever cared to look it up. But in the minds of the majority who voted for zero, the kenyan student is an exotic figure of romance who married the milk-white teenager from Kansas...when in fact, he was a total rogue, who, when Harvard grew thoroughly sick and tired of him, picked up his little black boy and hot-footed it back to Kenya, with Ruth trailing after him some weeks later.

Notice, there’s been no need to include Stanley Ann Dunham or little zero in the story?