Posted on 08/01/2012 11:18:33 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
"Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama. Black Sunni Muslim father and White Lebanese Christian mother. Born in the ME, raised in Indonesia, became BHO II in 1982." Dr. Ron J. Polland
The “Mal-Val” youtube video at the link was posted by FReeper Polarik (Dr. Ron Polland) in August of 2011 and while morphing the image of a woman named “Val” into an image of Obama, he insinuates that “Val” is Obama’s mom. One year later this youtube has only 1,150 views.
In July 2012, two FReepers associated the woman, “Val,” in Polarik’s Youtube with Lebanese actress Valerie Sarruf and have posted multiple images of her at various ages on FR eligibility threads. I am opening this thread to invite discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf is Barack Obama’s mother, with or without Malcolm X being his father.
Where could Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf have been in 1960 when baby Barry would have been conceived? Is there any evidence that Sarruf could have been pregnant and delivered a baby in 1961? In what country could the baby have been delivered? How and when could the alleged Mal-Val baby have been inserted into the identity and life narrative of the person we have come to know as Barack Hussein Obama?
Full disclosure: I refute categorically all of the Mal-Val narrative as wildly speculative and unsupported by any evidence that I have seen so far.
For several years now a shadowy coterie of FReepers styling themselves as “researchers” has gone onto nearly every FR eligibility thread to aggressively refute all evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was Barack Obama’s mother. They have actually declared flat out that she was never in Hawaii before 1963, contrary to the voluminous evidence including INS FOIA documents!
Requests for links or any evidence that Stanley Ann is NOT the mom have been frequently met with abusive ad hominem attacks and accompanied by claims that ALL documentary evidence showing her to have been in Hawaii in 1960 and 1961 is forged, but no credible evidence of forgery has offered. I make this observation as a retired Certified Fraud Examiner and CPA.
For years the “researchers” had claimed mysteriously to have conclusive evidence that a different woman is Barry’s mom, but refused to reveal her name or any evidence other than her picture because the “researchers” claimed it would disappear from the net and/or from hard copy archives of the records. But this month, the “researchers” appear to have slipped up and revealed that Valerie Sarruf has been the woman whose identity they have been “protecting.” They have since attempted to walk back the revelation, but it is clear, IMO.
The “researchers” claim that they earnestly want to remove Obama from office. But wouldn’t revealing ALL EVIDENCE of a foreign mother and foreign birth (which they also claim) be the most logical approach to removing Obama rather than hiding the identity of this alternative mother for years while attacking FR threads that sincerely attempt to find out where Stanley Ann Dunham was when she gave birth to Barry?
In my opinion, the best evidence that Valerie Sarruf is NOT Barry’s mother is the mountain of evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham IS his mother, which the “researchers” have totally failed to refute.
Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.
Crossposting:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3093489/posts?page=65#65
To: Kenny Bunk
And if someone claims 0’s real mom is Valerie sarruf, then that makes no sense, as she made a movie in 2004 called “wall of silence”.
Very much alive....
Madelyn’s sister Virginia Goeldner claimed the kids mom died in 1970 .
Can’t be Valerie sarruf.
How about Jo Ann Newman, was she alive after 1970?
Hey, we don’t know for sure who his mom is/was, so go thru the list and see if any were alive after 1970.
That census record for Madelyn Stanley armour and family will come in VERY handy!!!
63 posted on Thursday, November 21, 2013 8:43:26 PM by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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Thank you.
I think.
Obviously they claimed Zero’s mother died because if his mother was alive elsewhere, there would be no reason for them to be his caretakers...
They didn’t want anyone to know his real background, whatever they knew of it, and IMHO they probably knew the whole story.
I can’t stop smiling...what a messy puddle. Never heard any more about the twins, have we? I imagine one has been been disbarred and the other has been trying to refinance her mortgage.
Or they might have opened a Lebanese eatery.
I am watching EWTN LIVE show, the live show now on EWTN, www.ewtn.com -> to the live show.
I was so shocked when I got a look at the guest - I just wanted someone else to SEE this guy - and am wondering if you can make anything of it.
He has a BIG mouth, with RED LIPS, then see the EARS, altho small - STICK OUT. etc. He is sitting but seems to be TALL, and THIN. (What if this construct mated with a black ~
I guess there would be a way to find his ethnicity. I think I heard the red lips are found in some asian people.
Figuring you know all there is to know.
The Live show is done. Here are the repeats:
Wed. Feb. 19 at 8:00 PM ET live show
Thu. Feb. 20 at 1:00 AM ET repeat
Thu. Feb. 20 at 9:00 AM ET repeat
FR. JOSEPH AYTONA is guest of Fr Mitch Pacwa
I have some screencaps. I have not learned how to get them ready to post. I could email them to someone.
Why pick on me? I’m in Australia. Send me the name of the guy and I’ll get back to you.
I had added another post, but did not name you on it - guess a mistake so maybe you did not see it.
I investigated from him belonging to order of Fathers of Mercy. Fr Joseph Aytona, 32 yo.
His parents came from Philippines, 1980, children born in California, older and younger brothers.
It was just such a shock to see and watch this person - on this talk interview-like show - with such noticeable characteristics as I mentioned - I couldnt think of anything else except those red red big lips, sticking-out ears, etc
I have some screencaps, but have not learned how to get them ready to post. I could email them.
The show repeats at
(right now it is just after 11pm ET, so the first repeat will be in 2 hours from now)
Thu. Feb. 20 at 1:00 AM ET repeat
Thu. Feb. 20 at 9:00 AM ET repeat
FR. JOSEPH AYTONA is guest of Fr Mitch Pacwa
Sister Gabriele Maldanado, SCMC, of the Sisters of Charity of Our Lady Mother of the Church, and Br. Joseph Aytona, CPM, Congregation of the Fathers of Mercy, both presented talks to young people as part of the Diocese of Springfield's family vocations conference held Saturday, Nov. 1, at The National Shrine of The Divine Mercy.
And now can you tell me what the excitement is all about?
Yes, that’s him. The big red mouth is there.
But I cant believe the ears. In your pic they look rather normal. But in person in the live show they STUCK OUT - I mean really stuck out.
I feel so constrained that I cant post my screencaps. To show what I mean. Guess I better learn how to use that pic making pgm.
I still think if you saw him live, you would see what I mean. (I dont usually watch that show - I just was using the computer and decided to see who the guest was. So when I saw HIM, as I said, I was just mesmerized-like - at his very unusual, strange look - and all the odd things were like the odd things of that other ODD character.
His lips looked so red, they looked like there had to be lipstick on them.
He appeared to be very tall and skinny.
just fyi, in about 20 minutes it will repeat, and then again in another 8 hours (1am and 9am ET).
He is a Filipino Priest. He comes from The Philippenes. He looks like a normal Filipino.
The people in the Philippenes are mostly very religious. I can’t for the life of me work out what you are trying to tell me.
And as I said, I’m an Australian in Australia. Totally not interested in listening to or watching a US religious program, sorry.
Fr. Joseph was born in 1981 in Los Angeles, California and grew up in the suburbs of Southern California. In 2003, Fr. Joseph joined the Congregation of the Fathers of Mercy and was ordained to the Priesthood in May 2010. He is a 2010 graduate of Holy Apostles College and Seminary in Cromwell, Connecticut where he earned a Bachelor of Arts in Philosophy, a Master of Divinity Degree, and a Master of Arts in Theology.
During the Parish Mission, Fr. Joseph will encourage and challenge the parish to make a stronger, deeper, and personal commitment to Christ and His Church. The topics he will speak on include: The Holy Eucharist, God’s Infinite Mercy, Freedom and Truth, The Universal Call to Holiness, and The Blessed Virgin Mary.
Fr. Joseph Aytona is also the founder and director of the Spiritual Motherhood Sodality.
I didnt mean for you to watch the show - only just a minute of his ears flopping and big red mouth going. It seems to me he resembles you know who in a lot of ways. Easier to see as he moves around.
The pics dont show the ears at all, like can be seen on the vid.
My screencaps show the ears flying in the breeze. I will try to get to learn how to make posts of them.
I dont want to push this, but to explain : I have seen your many mal-val pics and am really sold on that conclusion. I cant imagine anyone coming to those other conclusions after seening the mal-val pics. Unless they have an agenda, of course.
But after my conclusion there, what I still wondered about and not seeing an answer to, were: his big red lips, and floppy ears - unless she hid them under her hair.
These unusual features I didnt see any place. Maybe there was talk about it and I missed it, about what ethnic group this would point to as his origins. Wondering if only a small group has these lips, where they are, and who do we know has been there. hmm
So that was what really struck me when I was watching the show and seeing JA with these pronounced features, as well as the rest of him bearing resemblance. So - maybe there is no way to lead this on as a clue - but I guess lesser clues have lead to interesting info.
FOR THE RECORD
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3121028/posts?page=329#329
To: WildHighlander57
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3052914/posts?page=40#40
quote: We don’t know if she’s his real birth mother. Even Cold Case Posse investigator Mike Zullo confirms that.
329 posted on Friday, 21 February 2014 9:32:53 PM by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3121028/posts?page=390#390
To: Fred Nerks
Enough! How about you just stay off the thread and away from these people.
390 posted on 2/21/2014 6:09:23 PM by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
There was a time when you were suspended, I took part in asking for your posting rights and membership to be reinstated.
What a short memory you have.
I’m not sure if the boss meant to include you in ‘stay away from these people’ but as I’m sure you’ve noticed, I’ve avoided you like a bad smell for a very long time, so please do the same for me, will you?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2991236/posts?page=598#598
SeizetheCrap: “FM Davis, a known KGB asset who could also be the father, was married to a wealthy white woman and he could have had the means, motive, and opportunity to spirit Stanley Ann off to Kenya, for example.”
SeizetheCrap: “FM Davis and Obama Sr. were committed Communists wired into the KGB funded front groups in Kenya and Chicago with access to money. FM Davis’ wife was wealthy and a pregnancy of a 17 white freshman would have been extremely embarrassing and potentially politically damaging to either Davis or Obama Sr. and to the international Soviet Communist Party.
Davis had the money to give Obama Sr. to assume paternity (only available black man to provide cover for Davis?) and Kenya was a perfect place to ship the romantic revolutionary Stanley Ann off to to complete the pregnancy out of sight...followed up by hiding her out in Seattle until Obama Sr. was gone from HI.”
SeizetheCrap: “Davis could be Obama’s dad, but Obama may have been born in Kenya thanks to the KGB or Davis’ wife’s money trying to hide the mixed race child turning up so close to Davis in HI where there were only a few available “suspects.””
SeizetheCrap: “Let’s say Frank M. Davis, a big-time Commie with a rich wife and connections to KGB gets Stanley Ann pregnant (perhaps little O was in the oven in the Xmas nude photo shoot?).
Obama Sr. was also a commie and may have been drafted to take the heat off of Davis.
To make sure that a father other than Frank Davis is on the baby BC and that there IS a father on the BC romantic and impressionable Stanley Ann agrees to a secret “wedding” on an out of the way HI island attended by nobody in Feb 1961. Then heads off by herself or with a KGB provided escort to a glorious exotic revolutionary life in Africa, paid for by Davis, the USA Commies or the KGB who had big plans for Obama Sr back in Africa when he returned.”
Poor old Barack, he arrives in Hawaii on a ticket paid for by Elzabeth Mooney-(Kirk) who also chips in for his living expenses until she marries an elderly man with grown up children of his own, and can’t support the handsome young black man who used to take her dancing in Nairobi any longer. He’s got a scholarship and a visa for one year and pretty soon he’s totally out of funds and needs to get a job, he washes dishes in a cafe, then works for the Dole Corp pine-apple cannery for a few weeks for a buck fifty an hour. He writes home and says he’s married a white woman and he’s working for an oil company, but there aren’t any oil companies in Hawaii, are there? Then he writes to say he had a son. He applies for an extension for another year which is granted, and finds another sponsor, this time it’s The Africa-America Society who throw in a thousand bucks or so, that’s the organization that in later years would be fronted by Percy Sutton and Betty Shabazz, but don’t go looking for the archives to their Newsletters, that has been removed from the web. Totally. They’ve even changed the NAME. The Africa-America Society were one of the first to bring students to the US from all over the world, many from Africa, some from Kenya. Some 30 thousand over a period of years. Their funds came from The Rockefellers Trust; Standard Oil money.
The kenyan student writes home he’s got a wife and a son in Hawaii, but when he shows up in San Fransisco at the Blue Fox to have dinner with Hal Abercrombiue and his blonde wife, he’s an obnoxious, rude and over-bearing man who treats the waiter like garbage. He’s come into money. He doesn’t mention his wife and son to Hal. He’s ditched them both obviously. She’s gone to where-ever she came from, probably the Philippenes just like he told the immigration department, and the little boy, the one that Mary babysat in January, I imagine is being cared for by someone in Hawaii while the kenyan student makes himself a PITA at Harvard and ends up being almost politely tipped out of the country. He’s cost the US heaven knows how much pain and aggro, it’s doubtful he was ever qualified to even apply for a scholarship because he had an arrest record in Kenya before he left. And when he did return, guess what? He worked for an oil company, not the government, because Mboya didn’t give him a job. He had to wait until another buddy of his became finance minister before he began his government job. And when Mboya was killed, he was the last man to see him alive, and had to surrender his passport. And all this is available on the web, if anyone ever cared to look it up.
But in the minds of the majority who voted for zero, the kenyan student is an exotic figure of romance who married the milk-white teenager from Kansas...when in fact, he was a total rogue, who, when Harvard grew thoroughly sick and tired of him, picked up his little black boy and hot-footed it back to Kenya, with Ruth trailing after him some weeks later.
Notice, there’s been no need to include Stanley Ann Dunham or little zero in the story? They were added later.
See, I can write a story too and it’s not all fantasy either.
It’s an excellent story, backed up by more facts than the fable told in Dreams ...
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