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Expert: Obama doc is 'proof' – of fraud
World Net Daily ^ | June 7, 2011 | Jerome R. Corsi

Posted on 06/07/2011 6:45:09 PM PDT by conservativegramma

Typeface analysis shows images come from different machines

The online image of a Hawaiian "Certificate of Live Birth" was trumpeted by the White House when it was released on April 27 as "proof positive" that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

Now an expert in typefaces and typography says it sure was "proof," but not of what the White House would have wanted.

Paul Irey, a retired professional typographer with 50 years experience in his business, has says an analysis of the typefaces used in the Barack Obama's long-form birth certificate that the White House released on April 27 reveals it absolutely to be a forgery.

"My analysis proves beyond a doubt that it would be impossible for the different letters that appear in the Obama birth certificate to have been typed by one typewriter," Irey told WND.

"Typewriters in 1961 could not change the size and shape of a letter on the fly like that," he said. "This document is definitely a forgery."

Irey acknowledges that an IBM Selectric typewriter could have produced different typefaces in a given document, but only if the Selectric ball was changed every time a different typeface letter was struck which would be unlikely to have been done to produce the word "Student," for example, that had two different styles of the lower case "t."

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: betrayed; birthcertificate; birther; certificate; certifigate; corsi; eligibility; hopespringseternal; lucyhazfootball; naturalborncitizen; obama; thistimeforsure; wnd
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To: conservativegramma

I knew this certificate was fake the minute he announced it otherwise he would have produced it in the beginning instead of spending millions to defend it.

The only reason they produced anything was because Trump was getting traction on this story. Obama’s crew knew that Republicans didn’t have the stomach to look any further. Not any different than how the weeny Republicans approach most of the tough issues, without fortitude.


81 posted on 06/07/2011 8:02:36 PM PDT by doc
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To: conservativegramma
The different "sizes" in typeface are easily explained ~ this is NOT a new question you understand. Simply match the FONT on that typewriter with the typefaces contemporaneously available. You do realize they used to repair typewriters and a repair guy would put in something that would fit and work in that model. Hawaii, off the mainstream of technological innovation (being an island in the middle of the Pacific without much local industry) made do with what it had.

With the old fashioned typewriters ~ still in use in many places right on through the 1980s and 1990s ~ you didn't just pick a type ball, or highlight a font in the menu!

Remember the forgers you are up against handled every possible permutation and combination and MADE this document exactly like its contemporaries in every meaningful way ~ right down to making it look like the typewriters used to prepare it look like they'd been repaired at some time or the other!

Did you imagine the professionals at Langley make mistakes?

They are so good they've even fooled the KGB and American Bank Note Company!

82 posted on 06/07/2011 8:02:55 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: freedumb2003

The Executive had different spacing for different letters. The M took the most space. My memory is faulty tho, I don’t recall the particulars, I’ve been using word processing far too long now.


83 posted on 06/07/2011 8:03:04 PM PDT by brytlea (Someone the other day said I'm not a nice person. How did they know?)
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To: muawiyah
All that typing and I'm still learning new things. I found this among many search results saying essentially the same thing. "Kerning is a typographical term that adjusts the space between pairs of letters for visual appeal. For certain fonts, the default spacing ..."

So what is the difference between kerning and proportional spacing?

84 posted on 06/07/2011 8:04:29 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: muawiyah

Yeah, I don’t know. My Mom was using one when she worked for Civil Service in the 1970s, but I don’t know if earlier. And that is Federal and not State govt, they might spend more money. Ours was one I think she bought when they replaced older machines tho, and that would have been in the mid 1970s.


85 posted on 06/07/2011 8:05:23 PM PDT by brytlea (Someone the other day said I'm not a nice person. How did they know?)
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To: freedumb2003
You have it ass backwards.

Congress debates and frames the law.

The courts interprets it (explains the meaning of) based on the intent.

The framer (Bingham)was clear and explicit.

86 posted on 06/07/2011 8:05:32 PM PDT by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: MHGinTN

Or there are people of clear conscience who can see the writing on the wall and would prefer FR not make itself look a bit silly by suggesting everything barry the zero and his handlers do is just wrong.

To further pursue this line just makes us look nucking futz.

The “birther” thing is over. To go back to bizarre and tortured retro-interpretations of extra-legal opinions does NOT help Conservatives. To suggest that the released form is some sort of TANG thing accomplishes nothing.

Do you think I like the flak I take on this? I haven’t insulted anyone but look at what I have taken.

I do this for my love of Conservatism and my very real care for FR. Now, of all times, we can NOT look like wing-nuts. We need to look like iron-eyed people who have solid Conservative principles that won’t let peripheral issue distract us from what we need to do — get a REAL Conservative President elected (even if you don’t agree it is Mr. Cain) AND get the Congress on board with Tea Party values And NOT squander it this time.


87 posted on 06/07/2011 8:09:04 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: conservativegramma

Good analysis as far as it goes. Next check known era Birth Certificates and see if he can detect which letters came from each cert and where...


88 posted on 06/07/2011 8:10:57 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: freedumb2003
So if I dug up Bingham brought him back to life and had him
repeat it to you verbatim and the nation you would
still lick those nation destroying 0 boots?
89 posted on 06/07/2011 8:11:51 PM PDT by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: conservativegramma

>>There is no other interpretation than mine. Either you defend the constitution or you abandon it. There is no middle ground in ignoring consitutional qualifications for POTUS. Either you uphold it, and fight to defend it, or you abandon it. Claiming it is ‘not a viable political option’ is pure abandonment. I know it sucks for you to have to face the truth here, but it is what it is.<<

Assertions are not arguments. There have been a lot of cases upholding the clear meaning of the 14th Amendment. None support your position.

>>Sorry, but the faulty ‘interpretation’ belongs to you alone. Therefore not only is MY interpretation the correct one, but the non seqitur is yours. Not surprising you can’t grasp this since you can’t seem to grasp the word ‘parents’ in Bingham’s statements on the floor of congress either. Another freeper called you dense, I’ll leave it at that.<<

Again, assertion isn’t argumentation. And I can’t help you in seeing how your “one thing does not follow from the other” assertion isn’t quite what you think it is.

>>And no I have not misapplied Res Ipsa Loquitur either. Your actions definitely do speak for itself, like it or not.<<

You sorta did. The fact you disagree with my statements doesn’t make them prima facie incorrect. It just means you disagree.

I think having a Latin dictionary at hand is a great idea — Latin is a great language and one I wish I could speak fluently. But understanding the context might be even a better idea.


90 posted on 06/07/2011 8:16:00 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: MHGinTN
Not just ‘the media’, there is a small army of obamanoids working sites like FR to squelch even the discussions of the items on the fraudulent thing.

You're right. Whenever a birth certificate thread is posted, at least one person shows up to start a fight over the meaning 'Natural Born Citizen'. It's intentional and it's designed to keep people busy arguing rather than discussing the birth certificate. The best strategy is just to ignore them.

91 posted on 06/07/2011 8:16:45 PM PDT by Jess79
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To: doc; conservativegramma

The only reason they produced anything was because Trump was getting traction on this story.
///
good points. but i think it was also timed to deflate the Corsi book. ...even if you ignore the “Kenya” stuff, there is still a lot of good info in it, that raises questions.

...and it also distracts from the issue i want investigated the most:

how did a Hawaii teenager get a Connecticut SSN ?!?

no one has given a plausible answer to that.
and, a fraudulent SSN would tie a lot of other loose ends...
like his legal adoption by Soetoro
(supported by the Indonesian school requirments, and from which, he never legally changed his name back),

and coverups like the missiong page 11 of the divorce papers, the missing kindergarden records, the missing early years of SAD’s passport file, etc.

likely, he got a Hawaiian SSN in 1977 when he started working in the ice cream store. but apparently he didn’t get the CT one, until around 1981, when his forged Selective Service form is dated (and used the CT SSN...)

but how did a Hawaii teenager get a Connecticut SSN ...


92 posted on 06/07/2011 8:16:58 PM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: muawiyah
Boy, you are really stretching here now, LOL. I've dealt with typewriter repairmen for over 20 years, and I've never met ONE who ever repaired a broken machine by turning it into an entirely different make and model!! Oh boy! ROFL - IF ONLY I had met one who could do that I would have been a happy camper!! Heck, probably would have taken a hammer a few times to the old one so I could get a new one - LOL.

And yeah Hawaii being off the mainstream isn't going to have a brand spanking new top of the line just introduced in July of '61 IBM selectric for typing forms in August of '61. Nope, correct. They're going to have older, out of date typewriters, may not even more than ONE. Therefore, you're NOT going to get different typeface within the filled/typed out information ADDED to the form. Thanks for making my point for me.

With the old fashioned typewriters ~ still in use in many places right on through the 1980s and 1990s ~ you didn't just pick a type ball, or highlight a font in the menu!

Exactly, which is what I've been stating and so as the expert in typeface. When you have personally earned 50 years of experience in this field (typeface) then you can criticize him. Until then, stop trying to prove to everyone how superior you are, and go back and re-read the article!

93 posted on 06/07/2011 8:18:26 PM PDT by conservativegramma
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To: muawiyah

You never answered me before when I asked you to give details of exactly how the BC forms were handled from start to finish. You claim the form was taken out of typewriters and more typed in a different typewriter later..please explain which lines (by number) you think this applies to and why and where it was typed at a different time. If you are responsible for many govt forms, I have little confidence in your ability...many forms were difficult to use in real life. Line spacibg too small, not enough space to reply to question etc etc.


94 posted on 06/07/2011 8:20:15 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: DaveTesla

>>So if I dug up Bingham brought him back to life and had him
repeat it to you verbatim and the nation you would
still lick those nation destroying 0 boots? <<

Can I dig up Thomas Jefferson to argue my point?

Please don’t let the closeness of the immediate case get in the way of the larger principle here.

And my kids can’t be President despite 100+ years of legal opinions?


95 posted on 06/07/2011 8:20:24 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: conservativegramma

Bookmark to read later


96 posted on 06/07/2011 8:20:44 PM PDT by ru4liberty
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To: freedumb2003
The ABA Journal of january 1978 has an interesting article on Photocomposition. The state of the art for small scale operations was a machine built by Wang. I gained access to the one purchased by our Printing Division almost immediately.

To say it was great was to say the least. That machine could pack letters like nobody's business. ABA Journal article said there was a 40% reduction in space needed for any given article.

For kerning (as I recall) you selected a FONT with kerning or a FONT without kerning. It was pretty locked in so you couldn't take just any old font and turn it on and off like you can with Microsoft Word.

Another feature it had was compressing rows.

I see no sign whatsoever that anything approaching the power of a Wang photocomposition machine was used to produce the document in question. Folks who imagine the forgers (if they exist) sitting down at a common WP and doing the job are simply unaware of how utterly adanced photocomposition was 33 years ago.

That's smallscale stuff. You get into your major linetype machines using hot lead, all things were possible ~ but I really don't get the feeling the document in question was produced by hot lead.

We are getting spoiled by our computers. We think of what they can do and imagine it couldn't have been by other means. At the same time we look at an ancient product and say "hey, they couldn't do that", but they did do that.

BTW, I think the Wang machine was the first photocomposition device to use an extended memory cache of some kind in an off-line mode. It wasn't hooked up to an IBM main frame system as a dumb terminal ~

97 posted on 06/07/2011 8:20:49 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: rolling_stone

Good plan. I’m betting that is in the works as we speak.


98 posted on 06/07/2011 8:20:59 PM PDT by conservativegramma
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To: conservativegramma
No, there's a preponderance of "evidence" to warrant an investigation being launched no matter who or what it is. Yes, if it were a Republican, it would be a different story. But a Republican would never do something like that ;-). Yes, some would.

The "people" investigators, for the most part have done a pretty thorough job. A few have put their names and careers on the line, so why won't the MSM touch it? They don't have to say it's forged or fraudulent, just lay it out there. I've not come straight out and said it's a forgery, just that it is very, very bizarre. And I give latitude for some of it, just there is too much accumulated indicating something.

There has to be a reason MSM and most talk radio won't touch it. Why the almost across-the-board conspiracy of silence?

I guess what hacks me off is what Weiner did was wrong imo but not like what others higher up "seem" to be getting away with.

99 posted on 06/07/2011 8:22:13 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: freedumb2003

1) Commentary isn’t Law

The Constitution is law; it is the Supreme Law of the Land. Bingham said his definition of natural born citizen is "declaratory of what is written in the Constitution". That means it is declared in the Law. Bingham was a lawyer and a district attorney. He served as the judge advocate in the Lincoln assassination trial, and served as prosecutor in the Johnson impeachment trial. He knew a thing or two about the law. His belief up-to-and-including the year 1866 was that a natural born citizen status was conveyed to the product of citizen parents born in country ... because this is what is declared in the Constitution. Do you have a definition that that pre-dates Bingham's by a more reputable source that says otherwise?


100 posted on 06/07/2011 8:22:25 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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