Posted on 01/26/2011 5:57:29 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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| Tim Adams |
More reactionary diatribes at Reaganite Republican
Excellent!
Yes, but Dog Gone was arguing to his position. His use of ‘or’ is his own willfulness — the Constitution and the meaning of the term of the Law of Nations known to the Framers at the time have no such ‘or’.
Nevertheless Dog Gone did not use the term “citizenship of the mother” or “citizenship of the parent”, instead he used “citizenship of the parents”, both parents.
At the time that the Constitution was written and ratified citizenship descended through one parent — the father when the parents where known, or the mother when the father was unknown. Under modern interpretation, by the use of the plural Dog Gone seems to have indicated that when child is born abroad, BOTH parents must be citizens. That seems right to me!
No.
But Perkins drove the proceeding in many of the cases where they did not appear as counsel. You don't suppose the Perkins lawyer who became the clerk for the Judge in Santa Ana did that for nominal clerk's compensation--I assume Perkins made up the difference.
Maybe you also count some of the costs of government employees--Bob Bauer didn't stop being lead counsel when he went to the White House; and I doubt that he took much of a real paycut when he did so either.
Matter of fact with 60 cases for which they were ultimately responsible, $166,666 seems cheap.
And the litigator looking at this kind of an effort from the outside doesn't see all the peripheral effort that is involved in other proceedings that are not court actions that must be coordinated with litigation pending and threatened to avoid action or events that would prejudice the litigation threat.
At this point, I view my $10mm as probably light.
I will stipulate to LorenC’s timeframe on the two-citizen parent argument. I’ve been following the eligibility issue from the beginning. Leo Donofrio’s analysis was the first time I remember reading about that aspect of Obama’s eligibility.
To the question about why no one brought it up earlier when it was widely known that Obama’s father was a Kenyan, I believe the answer is that none of us had extensive knowledge of the definition of NBC, had researched the FF’s intent, or reviewed SCOTUS citzenship cases. I had always assumed that one must only be born here to be NBC, which would include anchor babies.
For a short while, many fell for Polarik’s trap (including me) and we were focused on that aspect of the issue. When I dug into the issue and came across Leo’s analysis, I was hooked. It made the most sense to me. And it still does. The two citizen parent definition also prevents anchor babies from being NBCs.
I will stipulate to LorenC’s timeframe on the two-citizen parent argument. I’ve been following the eligibility issue from the beginning. Leo Donofrio’s analysis was the first time I remember reading about that aspect of Obama’s eligibility.
To the question about why no one brought it up earlier when it was widely known that Obama’s father was a Kenyan, I believe the answer is that none of us had extensive knowledge of the definition of NBC, had researched the FF’s intent, or reviewed SCOTUS citzenship cases. I had always assumed that one must only be born here to be NBC, which would include anchor babies.
For a short while, many fell for Polarik’s trap (including me) and we were focused on that aspect of the issue. When I dug into the issue and came across Leo’s analysis, I was hooked. It made the most sense to me. And it still does. The two citizen parent definition also prevents anchor babies from being NBCs.
I equated the big price tag because of overpriced lefty lawyers who saw a big piggy bank by taping the millions $$$ that are leftover in Obama's campaign fund.
"Cash on Hand: $15,466,043
Debts: $434,954
Date of last report: Dec 31 2008 12:00AM "
Obama lawyers were hearing - Ca-ching!
And incidentally, I didn't point my entire $10mm at Perkins either--there were a number of law firms involved besides Perkins as well as ancillary investigators and other service providers.
Excellent. Obvious why a dual citizen is not a natural born citizen.
I think your definition of "nominal" must differ from mine. Because given his two years in the private sector, Velamoor's starting salary as a federal clerk would've been about $70,000.
Another gem of an article: http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/09/obamas-impending-pearl-harbor/
“Obama’s Impending Pearl Harbor
By Larry JohnsoncloseAuthor: Larry Johnson Name: Larry Johnson
Email: larry_johnson@earthlink.net
Site: http://NoQuarterUSA.net
About: Larry C. Johnson is a former analyst at the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency, who moved subsequently in 1989 to the U.S. Department of State, where he served four years as the deputy director for transportation security, antiterrorism assistance training, and special operations in the State Department’s Office of Counterterrorism. He left government service in October 1993 and set up a consulting business. He currently is the co-owner and CEO of BERG Associates, LLC (Business Exposure Reduction Group) and is an expert in the fields of terrorism, aviation security, and crisis and risk management, and money laundering investigations. Johnson is the founder and main author of No Quarter, a weblog that addresses issues of terrorism and intelligence and politics. NoQuarterUSA was nominated as Best Political Blog of 2008.See Authors Posts (1479) on August 9, 2008 at 11:22 PM in Backtrack Obama, Citizenship, Current Affairs, Democratic Nomination, Whitey Tape
After a very productive time (working, not playing) in Hawaii, I believe that the Japanese attack at Pearl Harbor is an apt metaphor for what awaits Barack Obama if he becomes the Democrat’s official nominee. Michelle’s “whitey” tape and the controversy over his birth certificate are the least of his concerns. Opponents of Obama and some proponents of McCain have acquired information that will rapidly erase any memory of the audacity and perfidy of John Edwards.
The “surprise” attack by the Japanese should not have caught the US fleet at Pearl Harbor unawares. There were advanced warnings that people in key positions ignored or shrugged off as unimportant. Well, guess what boys and girls? Similar warnings are now in the hands of the Democratic leadership and they are choosing to ignore the flashing red lights that signal danger ahead.
Just today, courtesy of the Rocky Mountain News, we confirmed that Barack aka Barry Soetoro Obama was a citizen of Kenya since 1963. Barack has yet to stipulate when he renounced or relinquished that citizenship. That will be a distracting issue in the upcoming campaign. Americans don’t want to elect a Kenyan as President. It is that simple.
But then there is the Indonesian problem and his Hawaiian birth certificate.
I confirmed today that several teams/individuals visited Jakarta during the last six months to gather up critical documents regarding Barack. It is amazing what money can buy. The information includes details of how Barack made his way to Pakistan. Oh! Did I mention there have been similar efforts underway in Pakistan. There are several lessons and warnings in the John Edwards affair for Obama. First and foremost, you cannot hide your past.
Did I also mention how small Hawaii is? Republican operatives, with help from their own island backers, have unearthed critical information on Obama and are just biding their time until after the convention to drop it on him. Such as? Having a birth certificate that lists you as Barry Soetoro.
Barack aka Barry Soetoro might have escaped scrutiny back in 1960 when there was no internet. Controlling information back then was so much easier. Not today. It is there for the taking and the Democrats foolishly chose to trust this clown just as they trusted John Edwards.
Who would have thought that John Edwards and his wife would be so arrogant and so disconnected with reality that they would embark on a presidential campaign even though they knew about his affair and the crazy nature of his paramour. Well, that kind of audacity and bamboozlement is not limited to the Edwards family. Meet the Obamas. You don’t know them? Don’t worry, Republican operatives are loaded for bear and you are going to meet a Barack Obama that was hidden and disguised during the Democratic primary. And when the introduction is over the Obama supporters will wish the only thing they had to worry about was a video with Michelle saying disparaging things about caucasians.
Dems. You’ve been warned. Don’t be surprised when the attacks come.”
Obama didn't have attorneys, private or federal, in most of the eligibility cases. Most were filed in state courts with folks like the local Secretary of State as the defendant.
The long-form BC is not required by any law. Would you likewise argue that Obama used DOJ attorneys by choice in other lawsuits against him that demanded some action that he’s not required to perform?
Yes, I know you didn’t. Thus my question.
However, Obama had private attorneys for only three of the 60+ eligibility lawsuits.
Wow! I wonder if that $100 will get ALL of the documents they have on file for him at that dept. Original (if any), amendment(s) (if any), etc.
“Can a dual citizen be a Natural Born Citizen?”
No! The US State Department explains why.
“...dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country.”
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html
And WTF is wrong with this website?
Has anybody requested Barry Soetoro’s BC?
An excellent question/point.
P-Marlowe brought it up at 246 a few hours into the thread:
[In reference to a discussion of the US statutory criterion for citizenship] Let us not forget that the US Code does not define the Constitution. The Constitution defines itself in accordance with the intentions of the framers.I am certain that the founders wanted to ensure that the president of the United States did not have mixed loyalties and hence the requirement of being a Natural Born Citizen would imply that the person must be born under the sovereign jurisdiction of the United States of America. I am not certain that simply because Obama's mother was a United States Citizen, that makes any child she bears while domiciled outside the United States a "Natural Born Citizen".
Your post from 2008 mentioned above.
unless you can get a release from barry or he is over 75 years old i dont think you could get one in Hawaii if they had it.
The trick will be to see if this passes or they get a phone call from Barry telling them to knock it off..as for $100 first one to get one posts it on the net...lol..
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