WE'RE ALL BIRTHERS NOW: The Long-Form Obama Birth Certificate DOES NOT EXIST

Reaganite Republican ^ | January 26, 2011 | Reaganite Republican

[Reaganite Republican]

Hawai'i election official's sworn affadavit: 

"No Obama birth certificate exists"

ALL Americans who support our nation's Constitution and election laws must now ask: WHERE IS IT? As the Obama birth certificate controversy drags-on, any unbiased observer could tell you that events are strengthening the birthers' case by the day... not the other way around.

Oczam's razor theory dictates that if they can't find it... there must not be one. This would also provide the most viable explanation for why Obama has spent almost $2M fighting the claims in court. And to since it's a principle requirement for presidential eligibility... would someone please tell me WHY the burden of proof is on us? 

How'd this guy even get a passport without a long-form birth certificate, anyway...

"During the course of my employment," Adams swears in the affidavit (viewable in full as part 1 and part 2), "I became aware that many requests were being made to the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division, the Hawaii Office of Elections, and the Hawaii Department of Health from around the country to obtain a copy of then-Senator Barack Obama's long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate." 

As he inquired about the birth certificate, he says, his supervisors told him that the records were not on file at the Hawaii Department of Health. "Senior officers in the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division told me on multiple occasions that no Hawaii long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Senator Obama in the Hawaii Department of Health," Adams' affidavit reads, "and there was no record that any such document had ever been on file in the Hawaii Department of Health or any other branch or department of the Hawaii government." 

Tim Adams

Tim Adams, former senior elections clerk for Honolulu In a recorded telephone interview, Adams told WND that it was common knowledge among election officials where he worked that no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate could be found at the Hawaii Department of Health. "My supervisor came and told me, 'Of course, there's no birth certificate. What? You stupid,'" Adams said. "She usually spoke well, but in saying this she reverted to a Hawaiian dialect. I really didn't know how to respond to that. She said it and just walked off. She was quite a powerful lady." 

Moreover, Adams was told that neither Queens Memorial Hospital nor Kapi'olani Medical Center had any records of Obama's birth at their medical facilities: "Senior officers in the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division further told me on multiple occasions that Hawaii State government officials had made inquires about Sen. Obama's birth records to officials at Queens Medical Center and Kapi'olani Medical Center in Honolulu and that neither hospital had any record of Senator Obama having been born there, even though Governor Abercrombie is now asserting and various Hawaii government officials continue to assert Barack Obama Jr. was born at Kapi'olani Medical Center on Aug. 4, 1961." 

"We called the two hospitals in Honolulu: Queens and Kapi'olani," Adams stressed. "Neither of them have any records that Barack Obama was born there."

The debate has been recently been amplified by Hawaii's weird hippy Governor Neil Abercrombie -a far-Left freak who was previously a member of the US House Progressive Caucus and a personal friend and college classmate of both of Obama's parents. Abercrombie  made an ill-advised claim during his 2010 gubernatorial campaign that he would soon put a rest to all this, stating he was on a  "mission" to "quell" the birthers- as the polemic has "implications for 2012 that we simply cannot have."

But there is no Obama birth certificate... there never was.  So now he's hiding behind Hawaii's state AG, who says there is a privacy law that prohibits Abercrombie from doing as he promised (unless Obama gave him permission, of course):

State Attorney General David Louie told the governor that privacy laws bar him from disclosing an individual’s birth documentation without the person’s consent, Abercrombie spokeswoman Donalyn Dela Cruz said Friday.

“There is nothing more that Gov. Abercrombie can do within the law to produce a document,” said Dela Cruz. 

“Unfortunately, there are conspirators who will continue to question the citizenship of our president.” 

Conspirators! That's rich- but condescension and slander coming from nervous Dems does little to re-assure thinking persons that this man is acutally qualified to be US President: on the contrary, this defensive, diversionary behavior speaks volumes. Clearly those propping up this Trojan Horse of a president have nothing left but mocking the inquisitors- but as Margaret Thatcher once said: "... if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left." And indeed they do not-

Delving a little farther back, Obama even admitted himself that he wasn't qualified for the presidency in the 2004 Keyes-Obama Senate campaign debate, but the video of this was scrubbed from YouTube, according to Good Ole Boy at RealAmericanPolitics. 

Keyes caught him off guard... and Obama spilled:

I watched the entire first and second debates.  I distinctly remember that I had never heard of Obama; my interest was in seeing what Keyes said about the pro-life issue and school vouchers.

At one point in the second debate, Keyes, accused Obama saying, “You are not even a natural born citizen!”
To which Obama immediately replied, “So what? I am running for Illinois Senator, not the presidency.”

At the end of the airing of the second debate, the C-Span host noted, as he read from a single sheet of paper, placed before him, that the Obama Campaign had contacted them and requested them to point out to their viewers that Obama’s response here should not be understood as a denial that he is a natural born citizen, only that Keyes’ accusation had nothing to do with the qualifications of office of a U.S. Senator...

Today... with even Chris Matthews saying "why not just put it out?"- I unapologetically throw my hat in with the birthers... time to cough it up or step-down, Barry. Even is some obscure court ruling keeps Obama in office... this man must not be allowed to run for re-election in 2012. 

And when the day comes when we remove this tumor from the neck of the American eagle... Obama and his accomplices must be punished harshly for not just violation of oath, but the myriad crimes committed in covering-up lack of qualification for US president, up to and including perjury. And that means the entire Obama campaign team, lawyers, and most of the DNC... you're all going to pay dearly for this one.

Get on the stick, GOP congressman... 
where's the subpoenas? 

The survival of American democracy demands justice- and so do we.

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[Danae]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39aHQP5rN5k&feature=related

“It is very possible that he doesn’t even meet the qualifications to be a United States Senator...”

What is the qualifications for being a United States Senator?

A senator must, by the date of inauguration, be at least thirty years old, a U.S. citizen for at least nine years, and a state inhabitant of the state he or she wishes to represent...

Now what part of that didn’t Obama meet? The part about getting his U.S. Citizenship back. Obama used his Indonesian Citizenship for many years. How many? No one knows for sure, and THIS is just another of the MANY questions we should be demanding.

Oh and the date of this injunction filing of Bergs, October 2008. BEFORE the elections. Berg filed the original suit on Aug 21, 2008.

Here is an interesting post....We knew she was staying in, just didn’t know WHY...

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To: Sig Sauer P220
She is staying in because she knows there is a deal-breaker video or tape out there that’ll sink the appointed one. She is not able to play the card herself because of the backlash within her own party that will result. She is hoping it will independently break before it’s too late for her. Whomever is holding the ace is trying to keep it under wraps until the Dems don’t have a second option. (I hope).

8 posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 9:54:22 AM by Damifino (The true measure of a man is found in what he would do if he knew no one would ever find out.)
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Be that as it may, what is the point of nitpicking WHEN the discussions started?

Answer that one Obot, as you try to scheme up other distractions. I for ome do not have the time or the inclination to go through 6 years of posts I have made here for your benefit. Not even a little bit. They number in the thousands. If you want to sift through all that by all means have at it.

The whole Sammy scandal and the “Michell Obama tape” fiasco went down in Oct of 2008, before the elections, and THAT was all about the ADOPTION of little Barry. It was a total hoax, but still that was actually a real issue. Barrys Adoption cost him Natural Born Citizen Status, and is one Obama may never have legally dealt with. No one knows otherwise, because the cretin refuses to release his records. Golly, wonder if it is because doing so would prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Obama is Constitutionally Unqualified for the office of POTUS.

You cannot prove otherwise.

[LorenC]

I'm afraid your memory is failing you, my dear, because it simply wasn't.

If I may interject...

The first time Flamenco Lady herself clearly elucidated the supposed 'two-citizen-parent' requirement was November 19, 2008. In a post a couple of hours earlier, she came close, but only said "Hence to be a natural born citizen you must be born on U.S. soil and not have the possibility of foreign citizenship at birth to any other country."

Now in both posts, she refers back to Leo Donofrio's suit. Which is significant, because Donofrio's suit is what introduced the entire 'two-citizen-parent' meme.

Now, Flamenco Lady had posted several times prior to November 19 about Obama and natural born citizenship:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2132471/posts?page=1901#1901

"I hope this helps to explain why a certified copy of the vault copy would be needed to prove that Obama was born in Hawaii, and determine if he is a natural born citizen." - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2132471/posts?page=1878#1878

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2132471/posts?page=1853#1853

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2132471/posts?page=1204#1204

"If it were to come to light after Obama was sworn in as president that he was not a natural born citizen..." - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2132471/posts?page=361#361

"I believe this bill was actually intended to make it legal for Senator Obama to be president even though he was born outside of the United States by defining the term “natural born” that was used in the constitution." - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2118289/posts?page=17#17

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2096169/posts?page=21#21

Multiple posts about Obama and natural born citizenship prior to reading about Donofrio, and not one mention of 'My teachers always taught me that the President must have two citizen parents.' Rather, the quotes I included above suggest the exact opposite; that prior to November 19, Flamenco Lady's understanding was that birth in the US was sufficient, and that his father's citizenship was irrelevant.

[Bruce Campbells Chin]

A. Iran "making" citizens out of sovereign U.S. citizens would not be recognized internationally.

So what? Isn't it our position that what other countries say legally doesn't affect our laws?

Second, it definitely wouldn't be recognized in the U.S.

See, this is the entire problem with this debate. People don't know the law. The U.S. doesn't recognize the concept of "dual citizenship" period. All U.S. law addresses is when you are a U.S. citizen, and actions that may cause you to lose U.S. citizenship. It simply does not address the situation when another country claims you as a citizen as well. So it is impossible to be a "dual citizen" under U.S. law, because U.S. law doesn't recognize the concept period.

Furthermore, following your line, the U.S. congress could then turn around and make everyone on the planet a U.S. citizen. Those scenarios are nonsense.

Sure it could. But then, other countries likely wouldn't be stupid enough to pass a law barring anyone from holding officer who was a citizen of another country without first passing laws clarifying what would constitutie such dual citizenship. Relying on the law of other nations to define when someone is a citizen isn't a solution, but right now, that's all we'd have. We don't have such a law at all right now even defining the concept.

The "Natural Born Citizen" requirement for the Commander in Chief of the armed forces is, in part, a national security measure. No CinC born with multiple allegiances!

I agree with that as a matter of principle. But you just can't pass a law saying that you can't be a citizen of another country. It will take more than that to define dual citizenship.

[rxsid]

Your wrong. Of course the U.S. recognizes dual citizenship.

The modern day State Department rules discusses the problems associated with dual citizenship:

7 FAM 081: U.S. Policy on Dual Nationality:

(e)While recognizing the existence of dual nationality, the U.S. Government does not encourage it as a matter of policy because of the problems it may cause. Dual nationality may hamper efforts by the U.S. Government to provide diplomatic and consular protection to individuals overseas. When a U.S. citizen is in the other country of their dual nationality, that country has a predominant claim on the person.

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the U.S. Supreme Court has stated that dual nationality is a "status long recognized in the law" and that "a person may have and exercise rights of nationality in two countries and be subject to the responsibilities of both." See Kawakita v. United States, 343 U.S. 717 (1952).

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86563.pdf

[LorenC]

Here is what curiosity wrote:

“No one, repeat, no one, prior to the Fall of 2008, claimed that natural born status required two citizen parents. Period.”

You cited an example of someone asking if anyone had checked Obama’s birth certificate to see if he’s a natural born citizen. It says absolutely nothing about any supposed two-citizen-parent requirement.

To the contrary, it implies that the author did not believe in such a requirement. Because if he did, then he wouldn’t be ASKING if Obama was a natural born citizen; he’d be declaring flat-out that he wasn’t one. That Obama’s father was Kenyan has always been a pretty widely-known fact.

[LorenC]

"The "natural born citizenship" meaning that BOTH parents are citizens was discussed as least as early as the 3rd of July 2008 on Free Republic."

OK, let's see what you've got:

"To be President one has to be a "native-born citizen" If Obama's Mama gave birth to him in another country then that would make him a "citizen at birth" but not a "native-born citizen" It's worth knowing since its Constitutional and would set precedent that the Libs would love."

Not only am I not seeing a two-citizen-parent requirement there, I'm not seeing any concern about the citizenship of Obama's father, period. I only see someone setting out the standard for Presidential eligibility, and then saying that Obama isn't eligible if born in another country. Nothing about both parents needing to be US citizens.

[rolling_stone]

You two disruptors are trying to make a moot point. It matters not one iota when the two citizen or adoption arguments came up here at FR or elsewhere only that they came up before Obama was elected/sworn in.

Apparently you are trying to say well no one brought it up so that is evidence that its not true? Carry that into court and I'll watch you get thrown out on your rear. Sheesh if that's all you got pack it in and head home with your tails tucked between your legs.

[Red Steel]

Don’t let Loren spinning his lure sidetrack you on a fringe issue. The matter is inconsequential to when and where it was first discussed about the ‘two citizen parent’ concerning Obama.

[rxsid]

Further, regarding dual nationals:

"US State Department Services Dual Nationality

The concept of dual nationality means that a person is a citizen of two countries at the same time. Each country has its own citizenship laws based on its own policy.Persons may have dual nationality by automatic operation of different laws rather than by choice. For example, a child born in a foreign country to U.S. citizen parents may be both a U.S. citizen and a citizen of the country of birth.

A U.S. citizen may acquire foreign citizenship by marriage, or a person naturalized as a U.S. citizen may not lose the citizenship of the country of birth.U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one citizenship or another. Also, a person who is automatically granted another citizenship does not risk losing U.S. citizenship. However, a person who acquires a foreign citizenship by applying for it may lose U.S. citizenship. In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship.

Intent can be shown by the person's statements or conduct.The U.S. Government recognizes that dual nationality exists but does not encourage it as a matter of policy because of the problems it may cause. Claims of other countries on dual national U.S. citizens may conflict with U.S. law, and dual nationality may limit U.S. Government efforts to assist citizens abroad. The country where a dual national is located generally has a stronger claim to that person's allegiance.

However, dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country. They are required to obey the laws of both countries. Either country has the right to enforce its laws, particularly if the person later travels there. Most U.S. citizens, including dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States. Dual nationals may also be required by the foreign country to use its passport to enter and leave that country. Use of the foreign passport does not endanger U.S. citizenship.Most countries permit a person to renounce or otherwise lose citizenship.

Information on losing foreign citizenship can be obtained from the foreign country's embassy and consulates in the United States. Americans can renounce U.S. citizenship in the proper form at U.S. embassies and consulates abroad."

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html

[bvw]

That’s not an accurate reading. What was your reading comprehension score on your most recent standardized test? And how recent was it? Have you suffered some calamity affecting your intellect since?

[BuckeyeTexan]

This is most definitely about the law. The Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land.

[LorenC]

"That’s not an accurate reading"

OK, then what's the accurate reading? Here it is again:

"To be President one has to be a "native-born citizen" If Obama's Mama gave birth to him in another country then that would make him a "citizen at birth" but not a "native-born citizen" It's worth knowing since its Constitutional and would set precedent that the Libs would love."

Now you said of this comment that "The "natural born citizenship" meaning that BOTH parents are citizens was discussed as least as early as the 3rd of July 2008 on Free Republic."

Where in that July 2008 comment you quoted do you see socialismisinsidious say that natural born citizenship requires that BOTH parents must be citizens? Where do you see the implication that Obama, if born in Hawaii, could not be President because of his father's citizenship?

[rolling_stone]

Hawaii lawmakers want to make obies BC available for $100 a looksee...lol..

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2664350/posts?page=25

[wintertime]

Have fun with this! ( Another crack in the dam!) :-)

Note that the source is AP.

This is how the court of public opinion works:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2664350/posts

Hawaii lawmakers want release of Obama birth info
Associated Press ^ | Jan. 27, 2011 | MARK NIESSE

[wintertime]

Have fun with this! ( Another crack in the dam!) :-)

Note that the source is AP.

This is how the court of public opinion works:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2664350/posts

Hawaii lawmakers want release of Obama birth info
Associated Press ^ | Jan. 27, 2011 | MARK NIESSE

[bvw]

Dog Gone -- also brings it up at 165:

Sure, there's been talk, but your understanding of the law is incorrect. You have to be a "natural born citizen" which can either be accomplished by place of birth or by the citizenship of your parents.

The place of your birth is not determinative if it's outside the US.

[David]

What's that...about $750,000 per page filed?

People really don't understand the legal process--most of what happens in this kind of a legal battle doesn't get translated into pages filed.

[LorenC]

You do realize that Dog Gone said exactly the opposite of what you're trying to claim? See, you highlighted the wrong word:

"You have to be a "natural born citizen" which can either be accomplished by place of birth or by the citizenship of your parents."

It doesn't say "and." It says citizenship of parents OR place of birth. Born in Hawaii? Then citizenship of parents doesn't matter.

[bvw]

I asked you a couple of questions about your reading proficiency. The purpose was to see if I'm wasting my time with you, as I suspect I am.

The comment at 70 is admittedly ambiguous, and socialismisinsidious uses the wrong term -- "native-born citizen" rather than "natural born citizen".

You have read it narrowly per your own inclination. But as a vouchsafe of your own reading comprehension skills what are other reasonable ways of reading that statement? There are others, they are reasonable. I'm asking you to prove YOUR good faith intellectual curiosity by finding the alternate interpretation you have missed.

[Danae]

Here is a link that Ihave had for a LOOOOOOONG time. It was the first I had come across regarding Obama and Indonesia. Then it was about his being raised Muslim. But I remember being surprised with regard to his family status, and was the first I had heard the name Lolo Soetoro.

At this point, no one knew that he had been ADOPTED by Lolo, a legal matter which most certainly DID affect young Barrys citizen and immigration status.

http://laotze.blogspot.com/2008/02/obama-on-indonesian-television-part-1.html