Posted on 04/19/2010 8:18:35 AM PDT by erod
Hi FRiends,
I have two brothers who I love very much, theyre young and libertarian Ron Paul supporters, sigh. We get along and Im hoping that one day theyll come back to conservatism, but they have bought into a theory that I dont think makes much sense:
Abe Lincoln was a dictator.
There are many websites dedicated to this nonsense you can Google "Abe Lincoln dictator" and get some weird stuff, if you want to check it out.
I need your help in busting this myth are there any books I can read on this subject to dispel this stuff? Do you know any of the arguments to combat this nonsense? Ie. Lincoln did not want to free the slaves.
Thanks for taking time out of your day to help me out, -Erod
You are plainly a racist if you think, in that gear shifting mind of yours, that all southerners lynched and killed blacks during reconstruction. Get over it.
Ask the head nurse to up the thorazine dosage.
I'm not sure how you can say that you hate everything about your country except your country itself.
So my twisted sick FRiend, it is impossible to love your state and detest the Federal Govt at the same time? A Yes or No will do.
"The withdrawal of a State from a league has no revolutionary or insurrectionary characteristic. The government of the State remains unchanged as to all internal affairs. It is only its external or confederate relations that are altered. To term this action of a Sovereign a 'rebellion' is a gross abuse of language."
== Mr. Davis (of course)
A simple yes or no will not do. You claim to love your country yet you cannot wait for the day when whatever flea-bitten part of Virginia you're squatting in leaves it altogether. You don't love your country, you love your state. Or rather, whatever part of the state agrees with your asinine viewpoint and wants to leave with you; the rest of Virginia can go to hell. You hold no loyalty at all for the United States. You don't love its people, except for those who want to leave it with you. So please don't try and peddle the BS that you love your country except.... That's not fooling anyone. I truly believe that you would support any foe of the United States, regardless of who they are or what they would do, if it would lead to the revival of your mythical confederate states.
one would think that the north was getting blacks with open arms by a couple on here and their posts
ARF
If the north was so against slavery why did they continue to profit from it and supply slave ships along with having race riots when those yankee soldiers came back home and found some blacks were working and they were not
Not only that many yankees who came south to take land away and force families out also were not that kind to the black population either and when many went out west to AZ,NM many yankees were not innocent when it came to blacks
greeting not getting
THe only thing the statist loves is centralized power.
The problem you guys have is with the Constitution itself, for sentimental reasons you cling to a document that Lincoln, FDR and LBJ turned into a fig leaf for the naked power grab of the statist (commerce clause). A Constitution not followed is worse than no Constitution at all. That situation is perverted for the illusion of freedom it provides. I am sure Maj. Randolph would agree with me if alive today.
Oh ya, it was kumbya all during the reconstruction in the North. Unicorns and butterflies.
Of course he would. He hated the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, anything and everything to do with this country, and he wasn't shy about saying so. Of course, he went on to earn a very good living in the very land he loathed but that's confederate hypocrisy for you. You are his reincarnation and I can't for the life of me understand why you get all riled when someone points that out to you. Were Randolph around now I have no doubt at all that he'd hate the U.S. and everything to do with it as much now as much as he did then. And you'd be there agreeing with him and hating it as much as he did.
Nobody has said that. But you all claim that a bazillion or more free blacks flocked to confederate colors. And if that is so then how did you repay them for their service? Black Codes. The Klan. Denial of any civil rights whatsoever. It is clear that the idea that thousands of blacks served and that their service was valued by their white contemporaries is modern revisionist Lost Cause nonsense.
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Hey, Garbage_truck
My Wife is only 5'2" and she'd wipe the floor with all y'all.
You know why there's a bulldog on the hood of a Mack?
So one ass can look at another
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HahaHA funny.
Which part of Washington do you slither?
Garbage_truck is just another cityslickin' sissy
nearly spat my drink over the keyboard LOL
you see this post on another thread, what a great post???
Reparations for slavery?
When a black woman is one of the richest people in America?
When a black man was Secretary of State??
When a black woman was Secretary of State?
When black men have sat and do sit on the Supreme Court??
When a black would-be despot sits in the White House?????
When countless black men have risen to the top of the ranks of the richest in professional sports and show business?? Men like Hank Aaron. Men like Bill Cosby who... (Never mind. As we all know, Bills either an Uncle Tom or Oreo Cookie, depending on which black race pimp you listen to.)
And, how about Liberation Theology?
Liberation from WHAT? The chance to achieve and succeed??
Give me a break!!
Let me make it clear right up front: I am NOT a racist. I supported Herman Cain in his run for the Senate. And if he ever runs again, I would probably support him again.
I also consider Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams two of the finest economists and minds extant today. In case you dont know them, both are black.
Sowell, Williams and Cain among others have spoken out against those fellow blacks who castigate and vilify America for a slavery now long in our past. And ALL thinking men and women oppose the periodic calls for reparations. (When he ran, I supported Alan Keyes. I even spoke in his stead on the RTKABA at a Capitol rally and was asked to fill in for him on his radio show at the time. Sadly, while I still consider Alan a good man, I have had to rethink my support since he came out FOR reparations.)
The fact is that the modern descendants of slaves brought here in chains in admittedly miserable, soul-gutting conditions now calling for reparations need to remember something:
They should not only be glad to be in America, they should be glad to be ANYWHERE!
Had their ancestors NOT been brought OUT of Africa many by Muslim slave raiders the blood of those ancestors would have run into the earth over there several centuries ago, victims of the OTHER black tribes that captured them in one of the interminable tribal conflicts STILL ravaging that sad continent and these modern day would-be plaintiffs would not even exist.
And I would remind you that slavery is STILL practiced in parts of Africa (mainly by muslims) and Asia today.
95% of the African slaves who were transported across the Atlantic went to South and Central America, mainly to Portuguese, Spanish and French possessions, and that less than 5% of the slaves who crossed the Atlantic went to the United States, it was remarkable that the vast majority of academic research, films, books and articles concerning the slave trade concentrated only on the American involvement, as though slavery was a uniquely American aberration.
And should the great-great-great grandchildren of SLAVE OWNING BLACKS also be subject to PAYING these reparations? If so, how do we find THEM?
And I have traced MY family back to the SLAVS. Although the term looks to be related to slave, depending on your source, it either means glory or worshipper. But my family research indicates that many of my of my ancestors LIVED lives of virtual slavery to some despot or other. Do I qualify for reparations? From whom?? And it begs a question: Are most of us now living here are headed into a modern form off that servitude? But thats a topic for another discussion.
The official US Census of 1830 lists 3,775 free blacks who owned 12,740 black slaves. Furthermore, the story outlines the history of slavery here, and the first slave owner, the Father of American slavery, was Mr Anthony Johnson, of Northampton, Virginia. His slave was John Casor, the first slave for life. Both were black Africans. The story is very readable, and outlines cases of free black women owning their husbands, free black parents selling their children into slavery to white owners, and absentee free black slave owners, who leased their slaves to plantation owners.
-Selling Poor Steven, American Heritage Magazine, Feb/Mar 1993 (Vol. 441) p 90
Of course, a full telling of Black History would not be complete without a telling of the origin of slavery in the Virginia colony:
Virginia, Guide to The Old Dominion, WPA Writers Program, Oxford University Press, NY, 1940, p. 378
And the holier-than-thou Northern liberals are strangely silent on recent archeological evidence from NEW YORK CITY clearly tracing the financing of the slave trade to NORTHERN BUSINESSMEN!!
At the height of his remarkable boxing career, Muhammad Ali (born Cassius Clay), once declared Im glad my great-grandpa got on that boat.
And speaking of ancestors, my paternal grandmothers daddy joined with the 80th Ohio Volunteer Infantry early in the War Between the States (reupped twice) and fought on the Union side at Chickamauga, Vicksburg, Jackson then joined up with Sherman for that infamous march to the sea through Georgia. My wifes great-great grandpappy ALSO fought for the Union. While I revere the memory of my ancestors, inasmuch as that conflict was less about slavery than it was the economic exploitation and abuse of the South by the North, I fear they MAY have been on the wrong side.
Author Robert Hitt Neill tells of attending a Tennessee Mountain Writers Conference years ago with several other authors. Among them was Alex Hailey, celebrated author of Roots. Watching a TV news show, a group of them watched a demonstration in a Southern state against the Rebel flag incorporated into that states flag. The very next report covered a famine in Africa. Graphic images showed dead bodies, starving children with distended tummies and runny noses and dying people covered with flies, too weak to brush them away.
Mr. Hailey intoned in a low, serious voice, Every time an American black sees a story like that, they should find a Confederate flag and kiss it. He then pointed to the TV screen and continued, Because these would be me and my descendants, except for American slavery. I thank God that my family and I are here instead of there.
Next problem!
Dick Bachert
You poach the man’s entire post without the courtesy of pinging him to it. Not surprising at all.
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It is a Great post...
Non-Sequitur,wouldn't you agree?
LOL
what’s really pathetic is that some of us I know I don’t reply to him/her even if he/she sends about 5 posts to me a day.
It’s like that idiot kid which no one likes at school and the fool still tries to talk to you thinking that if he gets a reply off you it would make them friends.
sad
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