Posted on 03/10/2010 6:35:02 PM PST by Idabilly
Over the course of American history, there has been no greater conflict of visions than that between Thomas Jeffersons voluntary republic, founded on the natural right of peaceful secession, and Abraham Lincolns permanent empire, founded on the violent denial of that same right.
That these two men somehow shared a common commitment to liberty is a lie so monstrous and so absurd that its pervasiveness in popular culture utterly defies logic.
After all, Jefferson stated unequivocally in the Declaration of Independence that, at any point, it may become necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Natures God entitle them
And, having done so, he said, it is the peoples right to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
Contrast that clear articulation of natural law with Abraham Lincolns first inaugural address, where he flatly rejected the notion that governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed.
Instead, Lincoln claimed that, despite the clear wording of the Tenth Amendment, no State upon its own mere motion can lawfully get out of the Union; [and] resolves and ordinances [such as the Declaration of Independence] to that effect are legally void
King George III agreed.
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At this time Scott was pushing for the reinforcement of the remaining forts in Union hands consistent with Lincoln's December letter to be ready to reinforce or retake the forts at or after Lincoln's inauguration. Scott, the General-in-chief, sent the January 21 order sending the Brooklyn to reinforce Fort Pickens [Link].
The secret mission of the Brooklyn was discovered and its objective published in the papers. When faced with the likelihood that war would result, Buchanan backed off and sent orders to stop the Brooklyn. Perhaps this and other differences of opinion were behind the "serious rupture" reported a few days later in the New York Times. Lincoln's meddling may have contributed to the rupture.
So in your view it's much better to have leaders like Davis or Gaddafi or Ahmadinejad or Hugo Chavez who just ignore their constitutions entirely. What world are you living in?
--Jefferson Davis
Sounds like a Chavez type dictator to me.
If the Declaration of Independence be true (and who here gainsays it?), every community may dissolve its connection with any other community previously made, and have no other obligation than that which results from the breach of an alliance between States. Is it to be supposed; could any man . . . come to the conclusion that the men who fought the battles of the Revolution . . . in order that they might possess those unalienable rights which they had declaredterminated their great efforts by transmitting posterity to a condition in which they could only gain those rights by force? If so, the blood of the Revolution was shed in vain...
—Jefferson Davis
Clarify: how leave?
I hates the Yankee nation and everything they do,
I hates the Declaration of Independence, too!
I hates the "Glorious Union" -- 'tis dripping with our blood,
And I hates their striped banner, and I fit it all I could"
-- Innes Randolph
A far more accurate description of your views and those of your compatriots, I think.
That hereafter all persons found within our lines who commit acts for the benefit of the enemies of our country, will be tried as spies or traitors, and, if convicted, will suffer death. This order includes the following classes of persons: ... The habit of declaring sympathies for the enemy will no longer be tolerated in the department. Persons committing such offences will be at once arrested, with a view to being tried as above stated, or sent beyond our lines into the lines of their friends.
North vs South, Doesn't give Lincoln or his army enough credit. Lincoln's army vs Freedom - is more appropriate.
I'll take Davis' word over non-senses, Lincoln's or Obama's any day.
No big surprise there.
That about sums it up.........
So then you do agree that all the left-handers in your county could declare themselves to be their own country.
Major Randolph had more honor in his little finger than the entire Night Crawler Brigade.
Hate the Constitution. Hate the Declaration of Independence. Hate the country and hate the flag. Hate, hate, hate. No wonder you love him.
Don't forget the part about hating the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence and the flag and the whole country. Wouldn't want to cut your hatred short would you?
Ten Bears: These things you say we will have, we already have.
Josey Wales: That's true. I ain't promising you nothing extra. I'm just giving you life and you're giving me life. And I'm saying that men can live together without butchering one another.
Ten Bears: It's sad that governments are chiefed by the double tongues. There is iron in your words of death for all Comanche to see, and so there is iron in your words of life. No signed paper can hold the iron. It must come from men. The words of Ten Bears carries the same iron of life and death. It is good that warriors such as we meet in the struggle of life... and death. It shall be life.
Hate the Constitution. Hate the Declaration of Independence. Hate the country and hate the flag. Hate, hate, hate. It's what you all do best.
From your favorite Movie...
Good Lord, can quotes from "Gods and Generals" and "Gangs of New York" be far behind?
God bless you Major Randolph!!!!
And he hated this one and everything to do with it. Just like you.
“Good Lord, can quotes from “Gods and Generals””
Just as we would not send any of our soldiers to march in other states, and tyrannize other people... so will we never allow the armies of others to march into our states and tyrannize our people.
General Jackson
At least they got one quote accurately.
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