I’ve finally got the 1955 Territorial Public Health Statistics Act posted at http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2010/02/24/1955-territorial-public-health-statistics-act/
Section 57-17 says, in part,
“Subject to sections 57-10, 57-20, and 57-21, the United States Public Health Service, National Office of Vital Statistics, may obtain transcripts or, without payment of fees, certified copies, provided the Territory is put to no expense in connection therewith.”
And then Section 57-21 says, in part:
“Subject to the provisions of this section, the board may direct local registrars to make a return, upon filing of birth, death, and fetal death certificates with them, of certain data shown thereupon to federal, state, territorial, county, or municipal agencies.”
Would you understand that to mean that the national vital statistics for Hawaii come from the local registrars who send the information from their copies on to the feds?
The reason I ask is because the national vital stats for 1961 include Hawaii stats from even-numbered certificates which include BC’s having no birth weight recorded - which is a required item according to the feds and is thus required in Hawaii also. So a BC without that information would not be complete and should not be accepted and given a number by the state registrar. But those records had a number when they were sent to the feds by the local registrars.
Seems like that means that either the local registrars sent their local file numbers to the feds, or the state registrar gives numbers to incomplete BC’s.
Any thoughts, anybody? Bgill, any thoughts?
| Seems like that means that either the local registrars sent their local file numbers to the feds, or the state registrar gives numbers to incomplete BC’s. Once consideration is that complete standardization didn't seem to take place between Hawaii and the Feds until 1972. The "Certificate of Hawaiian Birth" Program was terminated in 1972 because, among many reasons, the law required the U.S. Social Security Administration to issue Social Security numbers and to obtain more stringent evidence of age and citizenship or alien status and identity. |
57-17 speaks to Veterans’ records. The local/city/county clerk may have various veterans’ records besides a bc such as short forms of their discharge.
57-19 speaks to delayed and altered certificates. The biggie here is it must be DISTINCTLY MARKED as such on certificates and the evidence is kept in a special file. (see, nothing is EVER destroyed)
57-20 allows certain individuals to determine evidence for changes.
57-21 same old, same old. Obuka can say she’s seen it but can’t say what’s on it... redacted... board approval... Yes, I agree with your question. It’s just general housekeeping and establishing regs to how things should be done. If a hospital has a birth, then the board may ask for them to send their info up the chain to the state. That’s what’s happening so no red flag.
You’ve lost me on the even numbered thing. Back in the early days, items might have not been known or recorded by the originating office/hospital/midwife so there is no way for the State to have that info. The box would remain empty but it’s usually not the job of the state (unless specifically addressed in the regs) to go back and fix this. Their job is merely to file what they are sent and act as keeper of the records (Ours is not to question why, ours is but to do or die). That is why when a document is amended, the state must make note with a *distinctive mark* that there were changes.
As for local numbers vs. state numbers - at every step, that office will have their own bookkeeping hence the various numbers. The hospital has their own filing system just as the city/county will file the document with their own volume and page number. But the state is the only one that should give the final certified stamp. That number is then sent back down the chain and is noted on the various copies.
I’m confused on what you’re asking so ask again if I’ve gone off on a tangent.