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DOH indirectly confirms: Factcheck COLB date filed and certificate number impossible
Butterdezillion | Feb 23, 2010 | Butterdezillion

Posted on 02/23/2010 8:02:16 AM PST by butterdezillion

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To: Fred Nerks

Supposedly Dr. West was the father of her college friend. So I can see a casual lunch and casual questions. As to her memory about 48 years later, who knows. I remember some things back to when I 2 years old, yet other stuff I can not recall from 10 years ago.

She might even be a complete liar. Who knows. The point is, there has to be some level of credibility to believe Dr. West was the proper doctor. If he was indeed retired at age 46, then he probably wasn’t O’s baby doctor. Nelson is either wrong or lying.

But, was he retired? 46 seems a young age to retire with a few kids, but he may have been rich. The picture shows an older man, before his retirement. Two other bios indicate he worked until his 70’s.

So, can we truly say, as an answer to Nelsons’ story, that he was retired. At the very least, the question is open.

parsy, who says this is why birther thread serve some useful function


761 posted on 02/24/2010 6:06:58 PM PST by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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To: BuckeyeTexan; All

> New Thread on various types of Hawaii birth certificates.

Bwa-ha-ha! Nice try, Brown-eye.

How about THIS thread, where you After-Birthers are
being called-out on your incessant LIES and SPIN?

The smell of After-Birther flesh is in there air HERE.

And you KNOW it.

762 posted on 02/24/2010 6:16:52 PM PST by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: Fred Nerks
He graduated from the Punahou School in Honolulu and attended Northwestern University in Chicago

Dang! Did this whole group attend Panahou School and travel halfway around the world to attend college in Chicago?

763 posted on 02/24/2010 6:23:15 PM PST by bgill (The framers of the US Constitution established an entire federal government in 18 pages.)
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To: BP2

Then don’t read it, dumbA$$. It’s your loss. The article provides information that supports your stupid theory. Ignore it all you want.


764 posted on 02/24/2010 6:26:21 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Honesty, Character, & Loyalty still matter)
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To: ilovesarah2012
Defeatists attitude - whatever, roll over and play dead, it's too late, it's doesn't matter, who cares any more, too much time wasted on this,it would not matter. No one would do a thing about it. No one would even having “standing”. It just doesn’t matter now.
765 posted on 02/24/2010 6:28:35 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Danae
I still think the cretin was born in Hawaii,

And YOU think that's make him a natural born citizen?
766 posted on 02/24/2010 6:29:48 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: BuckeyeTexan; All

> The article provides information that supports your stupid
> theory. Ignore it all you want.

Accepting “help” for our "stupid theory" ... from an After-Birther?

You're not even worthy of a good zotting.



767 posted on 02/24/2010 6:35:23 PM PST by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: presently no screen name

No, I don’t think he could ever have been an NBC, His dad is British. The cretin inherited his citizenship at birth along with the USA. In order to be a Natural Born Citizen you must be born with only ONE potential citizenship, that of the USA. That means both parents must be citizens and be born on our soil. That does not describe Obama.

I don’t think he could have been an NBC from the instant he was conceived.


768 posted on 02/24/2010 6:39:14 PM PST by Danae (Don't like our Constitution? Try living in a country with out one.)
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To: little jeremiah

It’s sad that now days one has to check the poster before reading the post. Many do skip past the fertilizer. We should have smelled ozone a month ago, what’s the deal?


769 posted on 02/24/2010 6:39:15 PM PST by bgill (The framers of the US Constitution established an entire federal government in 18 pages.)
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To: bgill

One wonders.


770 posted on 02/24/2010 6:40:28 PM PST by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Cool. Most of that seems to be speculation however. So fat the only official thing is that the numbers were done in the Office in Honolulu.

LOL this IS funny.... you can’t believe everything you read on the internet.

In a real way I think the Birth Certificate stuff is a goose Chase. The real meat lay on the counter in front of us in a package labeled “BRITISH FATHER”. That is what made it impossible for Obama to ever have been, at any time, an NBC.


771 posted on 02/24/2010 6:43:40 PM PST by Danae (Don't like our Constitution? Try living in a country with out one.)
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To: EnderWiggins

I don’t know why I’m wasting my time responding to you.

But....

We know that Accepted, Received, and Filed are all terms that have been used on COLB’s because COLB’s having them have been posted online. The question Okubo was asked was what the terms mean.

Okubo explained that Accepted had previously been used to say when a BC was received in a DOH office anywhere in the state. Filed previously meaned that the number was given in the state registrar’s office and the BC was filed.

Now, she explains, they rolled it all into the word “Filed” because when BC’s are filed electronically it all happens on the same day - as it also had happened with most births even before that, because the local registrar and state registrar almost always got the BC on the same day anyway, unless it was a birth outside of Oahu.

So the terminology may be different on different COLB’s out there today, depending on whether the COLB was printed before, or after, the time they rolled it all into the word “filed”.

Where the problem comes in for myself, BP2, and others is in the procedures for BC’s that are incomplete - where the state registrar has received the BC in their office but the BC doesn’t meet the standards to be given a certificate number. Okubo has not clarified what happens in that instance, and that is what we are discussing.

What she has said matches what several posters here have seen on their own COLB’s - COLB’s which they know are valid. So Okubo is most probably correct in what she has said regarding BC’s that qualify as valid. So stop with the baloney about Okubo’s statement not matching what we see on COLB’s.

What Okubo said clearly, though, was that they assign the certificate numbers in the state office on the “Date filed”. She said that after consulting with Alvin Onaka, the state registrar - the last e-mail of that communication being accidentally left in Okubo’s UIPA response.

If you want to call Okubo and Onaka unreliable sources I won’t argue. If you want to call them unreliable sources and still say we are crazy for therefore wanting an investigation, I will argue and for good reason.

It is foolish of you to make stuff up about their procedures because that will be found out by looking at the certificates themselves. Liars can cheat for a while but eventually the truth comes out.

I’ve figured out why communists and Islamists make such good bedfellows with each other: they both believe in lying for the cause, without batting an eyelash. Both believe in hiding under disguises right up to they point they detonate the bomb. It will be really interesting when we reach the point where they devour each other though.


772 posted on 02/24/2010 6:45:46 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: little jeremiah

Thanks, I see that now. Making my way down the thread while heading home on the train. Takes me a while to sift through posts on this blackberry.


773 posted on 02/24/2010 7:11:03 PM PST by Velveeta
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To: BuckeyeTexan
found serveral instances on the Net of references to hospitals receiving a block of pre-assigned numbers to be stamped on blank certificates.

As I've said before, each step of the process has it's own set of numbers as per their own housekeeping. The hospital may put it's own record keeping numbers on it. The city/county also writes on it the volume and page number where they've filed it. The state then puts the final certified number on it. Perhaps it's the individual hospitals who pre-print their own forms.

Also what has been stated is that the time it took for the various islands to forward the records to the state was several days. With that, if each hospital on each island had their own special stack of blank pre-numbered forms then you would have out of sequence all over the place. The big island would be submitting certificates thousands of numbers past what the smaller islands with far fewer births in to the state. Talk about total chaos. What you're proposing is impossible.

774 posted on 02/24/2010 7:14:19 PM PST by bgill (The framers of the US Constitution established an entire federal government in 18 pages.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Bwaahahahahaha! Way to go!

parsy


775 posted on 02/24/2010 7:17:33 PM PST by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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To: Danae
Exactly! So why do you post still think the cretin was born in Hawaii, since it doesn't matter.
776 posted on 02/24/2010 8:15:03 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: bgill; BuckeyeTexan
I found serveral instances on the Net of references to hospitals receiving a block of pre-assigned numbers to be stamped on blank certificates. I'll post them here later.

749 posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 7:09:26 PM by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Honesty, Character, & Loyalty still matter)

It's been nearly 3 1/2 hours and no response from BuckT on this thread or the other one created so one can only conclude that this is where it ends as there is NO other factual or legitimate sources other than the obots conspiracy theories that have been posted.

BTW, I'm still giggling over the fact that BuckT thinks birth cert applications are handled in the same manner as automobiles.

777 posted on 02/24/2010 8:28:09 PM PST by patlin (1st SCOTUS of USA: "Human life, from its commencement to its close, is protected by the common law.")
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To: Fred Nerks

Nelson article - “The team came alive when he got on the court,” she said. “He was not only quick and graceful, but he could see the pattern and zero in on the opening. Though he wasn’t a starter, he was a graceful, passionate athlete who played back-up forward. He had a definite presence on the court.”

Washington Post article - Obama stayed away from student leadership roles at Punahou and gave his friends no clues that a few decades later he would emerge as a national political figure... Keith Peterson, a school mate - “When I look back, one of the things that stood out was that he didn’t stand out,”... Mike Ramos, a school mate - “Was there a leader? Did we defer to Barry? I don’t think so”... the Buffanblu won the state championship, defeating Moanalua 60-28. Obama came off the bench to score two points. So much for the dream of becoming a rich NBA star.

Somewhere, here or a related article, there is a quote from Hussein admitting to his basketball coach years later that he wasn’t a very good player and the coach agreeing. Yeah, so much for Nelson’s dream in glorifying The One.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/22/AR2008082201679_5.html?sid=ST2008082201770


778 posted on 02/24/2010 8:48:35 PM PST by bgill (The framers of the US Constitution established an entire federal government in 18 pages.)
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To: EnderWiggins

Why did you twice delete the name of the office worker your friend said he spoke with?


779 posted on 02/24/2010 9:05:48 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: eazdzit
Cheers! Easy is good... granny is dead and Obama is allegedly POTUS...
780 posted on 02/24/2010 9:06:00 PM PST by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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