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To: Cymraeg; Fred Nerks; null and void; stockpirate; george76; PhilDragoo; Candor7; BP2; MeekOneGOP; ...

I am speaking as a lawyer with 40 years of experience and who tried hundreds of divorces.

LOL. Answering barackobama.com’s call to rally the troops, I see. He does needs all he can get, as it seems he's having a HARD time motivating his base.

Come on ... no law degree is necessary for this ... use your imagination ... put yourself back to early-1964, and pretend you're Judge King in the courtroom:

— three-year-old Obama JR wasn't probably present in the court room of the CIRCUIT COURT OF THE FIRST JUDICIAL CIRCUIT, now defunct. Ann Dunman, his mother, may have shown a picture to the judge. Or Obama JR may have been present, and the judge saw the child — who knows?

— the man who Ann claimed was the father, Obama SR, wasn't a participating father. The likelihood of him flying nearly 5,000 miles to Hawaii to protest the divorce, or ask for custody, was surely seen as very remote. Sure enough, he didn't even respond to the notification back in Boston — a no-show.

— Marriage Certificate? ALL modern searches by private investigators have NOT revealed it. It may exist, but it's not even searchable on Hawaiian document databases. The judge may not have asked to see that anyway — which is not necessary per se to award custody. Blood is thicker than water, anyway ... but someone has to get custody of the child, biologically-proven parents, relatives or the state of Hawaii ...

— there's no DNA testing in the 1960s.

— child smuggling DID take place in the 60s, as did child abduction.

And here's Ann, a lily-white 21-year-old woman from Kansas, asking for custody of a “mulatto” mixed-race baby that she claims to be hers. To put it in context: Black people only made up 0.8 percent of the Hawaiian population in 1960 and 1970. It's not racist to point this out — it's fact from the US Census and a reality of that racially-charged era — it would have been noticed.

So Judge King was likely curious, if not suspicious — most responsible judges, looking past the sobbing wife and her pin-stripped attorney, would be pondering "what's really going on here? Her husband is pursuing a doctorate in economics at Harvard, and yet she wants no child support or alimony ... hmmm."

He's not going to deny her a divorce as she claims "grievous mental suffering." BUT how's Judge King going to award custody — off of Ann's good word? I don't think so ... he'd turn to prima facie. I can hear his words now:

I'm going to ask for the mother to provide a copy of the birth certificate at our next hearing in March (1964). So ordered.”
Here’s the HAWAI‘I FAMILY COURT RULES for some reference on this:
http://www.state.hi.us/jud/ctrules/hfcr.htm

And keep in mind that Hawaiian law in the 1960s, especially in this old Circuit Court that dates back to when Hawaii had a King, didn't have such firm laws in place as we have today.

Everything wasn't codified as it is today. Judges had more discretion in those years shortly after statehood — and Judge King, who went on to be a Senior Judge at the US District Court in District of Hawaii — would have been irresponsible to NOT have exercised that discretion in such a situation.

Please take your "You people are grasping at straws" rhetoric elsewhere. If you weren't truly concerned about Mr. Obama's NBC status, you wouldn't be wasting your time conversing with people labeled by the Left as "crazy conspiracy nuts". LOL

7,343 posted on 08/06/2009 10:06:39 AM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: BP2

Applause!

While reading, the thought came to me: Could they have been married in Kenya? There would be no record in HI of that marriage.


7,352 posted on 08/06/2009 10:17:21 AM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: BP2; Cymraeg; Fred Nerks; null and void; stockpirate; george76; PhilDragoo; Candor7; MeekOneGOP

Cymraeg:
What is the purpose of your handle anyway?

It is obviously an anagram:

C My Rage (Cymraeg).


7,354 posted on 08/06/2009 10:19:57 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: BP2

” Marriage Certificate? ALL modern searches by private investigators have NOT revealed it. It may exist,”

Even Barack Obama concedes that his parents may not have been married.
” Dreams From My Father “ by Barack Obama.
Page 22

“How and when the marriage occurred remains a bit murky ,a bill of particulars that I’ve never quite had the courage to explore.”

“ There’s no record of a real wedding, a cake , a ring, a giving away of the bride .”

“ No families in attendance ,
it’s not even clear that people back in Kansas were fully informed.”

But, after writing the above-
Obama says that it was just a
“ small civil ceremony with a Justice of the Peace.”

Obama writes that there’s no record of a real wedding, details are murky, even as to the date,
no families were notified or attended,
apparently not even the Dunhams and yet, he makes the leap that it was a small
civil ceremony with a JP.
Which should have left a record.
And why wasn’t there a notice in the newspaper ,
which is apparently the new standard for evidence ?


7,360 posted on 08/06/2009 10:24:12 AM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: BP2
"And here's Ann, a lily-white 21-year-old woman from Kansas, asking for custody of a “mulatto” mixed-race baby that she claims to be hers. To put it in context: Black people only made up 0.8 percent of the Hawaiian population in 1960 and 1970. It's not racist to point this out — it's fact from the US Census and a reality of that racially-charged era — it would have been noticed." "So Judge King was likely curious, if not suspicious — most responsible judges, looking past the sobbing wife and her pin-stripped attorney, would be pondering "what's really going on here? Her husband is pursuing a doctorate in economics at Harvard, and yet she wants no child support or alimony ... hmmm."

"He's not going to deny her a divorce as she claims "grievous mental suffering." BUT how's Judge King going to award custody — off of Ann's good word? I don't think so ... he'd turn to prima facie. I can hear his words now:"

“I'm going to ask for the mother to provide a copy of the birth certificate at our next hearing in March (1964). So ordered.”

I have to completely disagree with you on this one BP2. Yes the judge would take it off of Stanley Ann's (or her lawyer's word) on the divorce papers that Barack was her child.

I personally know of a marriage and divorce where the father was from a different country. There were 3 small children involved and the mother asked for custody but she didn't ask for child support. She knew with the father back in his country it would be impossible to collect. The Judge never questioned the mother in any of the statements she put on her "do it yourself" divorce papers. No Birth Certificates, No DNA nor her Marriage Certificate was ever asked to be put into the divorce records. He took her word for everything she put in those papers. She was awarded full custody.

In fact I know of many divorces with under age children and they never ask for copies of Birth Certificates to be filed with the divorce papers.

7,673 posted on 08/06/2009 4:01:18 PM PDT by Spunky (You are free to make choices, but not free from the consequences.)
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