Thanks, for the short / concise explanation.
Posted on 08/02/2009 1:35:53 AM PDT by rxsid
Edited on 08/06/2009 12:10:02 AM PDT by John Robinson. [history]
Posted by me on Lucas Smith’s YouTube site:
I am a retired CFE (Certified Fraud Examiner) as well as a retired CPA. Authenticity of documents requires examination of all features of the document. To be genuine, as many features as possible must be linked back to a hospital in Kenya in 1961 and not show evidence of fraud. The fingerprint might be that of an identifiable person who was in Kenya in 1961. That wouldn’t validate the whole document, just that feature, the fingerprint.
If the fingerprint is that of Lucas Smith (totally unlikely but must be considered) and appears to be in ink and put on the paper as the footprint was created, that would lead to another conclusion. No element of Obama’s background would be more significant than placing his birth in Kenya, if that is what validation of the document shows the experts on examination.
If Obama knows this document is genuine, I believe that he will inevitably conclude that he must resign before it is validated. This would preserve the constitutionality of his presidential acts prior to resignation. If he waits until it is validated in a court, all of his presidential acts to date would be subject to legal challenge because his non-natural born citizen status would have been proved and legal chaos would ensue.
Of all the features on the BC, the fingerprint could be the most forensically verifiable with the highest accuracy, as the current hospital stamp, current signature stamp and 48 year old signatures could have less certain validation compared a fingerprint. So this could come down to one finger of one nurse and whether she is still alive and can be found.
In the late 50’s and early 60’s it was a very unfashionable to be an unwed mother. It was especially unfashionable to be unwed and pregnant with a bi-racial child.
As such, many young women were sent to “birthing homes” so as to not be an embarassment to their families. Most of the lying in periods were for a matter of months to allow the mother to consider her options. At that time, most of the options were adoption, although many women did not adopt their children and went home to deal with their circumstances.
The records from homes such as Florence Crittendon, Salvation Army, etc., were kept in strict confidence and remain so to this day because of the number of adoptions that occured.
It is very possible the Ms. Dunham spent several months in one of these very secluded “birthing homes” and that could account for her long unaccounted absence and untraceability.
But, you say nothing about the footprint. Doesn’t that make the document self-authenticating when the Judge tells Obama to submit to a footprint?
I am having a hard time wrapping my brain around the difference between resigning and being outed as to legitimacy of actions.
You are right in having a problem with an explanation that sets forth a distinction without a difference as it relates to the effect resigning or being forced out of office would have on past actions by a Constitutionally unqualified president. It makes no difference how he leaves office or when he does, all prior actions are ultra vires, that is without authority and all prior acts are null and void. That is a true Consitutional crisis which will cause grevious harm to this country. Anyone who would deliberately put the country through just epic tragedy should be tried for treason.
This transmittal Notice transmits a pen and ink change of Chapter 13 - Maternal and Child Health, Part 3 - Professional Services of the Indian Health Manual.
Please replace paragraph 8 of Section 2F3.a(b) with the following statement taken from the recently released Guidelines for Perinatal Care written jointly by the American Academy of Pediatrics and the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists:
“Individual hospitals may want to continue with the footprinting and fingerprinting but universal use of this practice is no longer recommended.”
This change is made because this method of identifying newborns is no longer universally recommended and there is no evidence that it has any actual value in identifying newborns.
http://www.ihs.gov/PublicInfo/Publications/IHSManual/TN_Project/80_89/tn83_7.htm
There is a large time gap and many legal roadblocks between commencement of discovery to prove up the alleged Kenyan BC and actual constitutional removal of the president, if warranted.
My point is that if Obama resigns before any Kenyan BC even begins to be validated in federal court, removal for ineligibility would be averted and his prior legal acts preserved, or at least the bar to successfully contesting prior legal acts would be much higher. I am guessing. I am not a lawyer.
Obama will be REQUIRED to submit HIS documents to make the validity of the Kenyan documents moot. This case is all about DISCOVERY. Once he produces or fails to produce documents and CAN'T prove his eligibility, it will be OVER for him. He will have to Quit or be forced out by public uprising. We won't have to wait for a court decision.
Obama COULD be gone by the end of the week
I would think all the military cases would be totally out the window (moot). Just validating a Kenyan BC in a US court will be daunting, given the corruption in Kenya. Kenya is deeply divided with less than half aligned with Obama’s cousin, Odinga, and the rest against him.
I doubt that the “chain of custody” of Lucas Smith's document can be proved sufficiently to satisfy a court. Getting testimony from anyone in Kenya will be problematic.
While Smith's document has a signature stamp of the hospital administrator on it along with the hospital stamp and the official seal, all of those could have been “misappropriated” just long enough to be applied to real or forged document. Testimony would have to be obtained from all involved parties at the hospital in Kenya and other folks have commented that US courts have no treaty relationship with Kenya sufficient to compel cooperation (I don't know if this is true).
As you point out, the court of public opinion is another matter, and I agree. Obama knows whether this document is true, based on his evasive behavior regarding his refusal to release his HI vital records which I can only attribute to an attempt to hide vulnerability to discovery of a secret of this magnitude.
If the Lucas Smith sworn affidavit calls into question Obama’s HI vital records and drives federal court discovery is ordered in Orly's case...and then those vital records in HI indicate report of a home birth with no hospital or doctor witnesses I don't think Obama or especially the big money and big influence folks who found, groomed, marketed and teleprompted Obama to achieve their agenda will allow their agenda to be derailed by the paralysis of constitutional proceedings to formally and finally determine Obama’s eligibility. I think great pressure would be brought to bear on Obama to resign by his backers!
” n the late 50’s and early 60’s it was a very unfashionable to be an unwed mother. It was especially unfashionable to be unwed and pregnant with a bi-racial child.”
When people discuss Barry’s BC controversy, I think they apply modern practices and policies to the situation, forgetting that the time period was almost 50 years ago.
The Civil Rights laws did not get passed until 1964 and 1965 and this was a time of huge national angst and uproar about segregation.
Dating outside your religion was not widely accepted.
Dating outside your race was almost non existent.
Out of wedlock births were a huge social stigma.
An out of wedlock birth of a bi racial child to a teen age girl
would have been a social nightmare for the grandparents.
In Obama’s book, he wrote about how upset his grandparents
were about the relationship between their teen age daughter and this older, black man.
No one went to their wedding and no real record exists, he wrote.
No relatives were informed.
The parents were already very uncomfortable with the relationship , even before the pregnancy.
He infers that once “ the baby “ arrived, their views softened.
“ Then the baby arrived with 10 fingers and 10 toes “ is the extent to which he discusses his mother’s pregnancy and his birth.
And almost makes it sound as if the birth was a surprise.
And you know this, how?
I was a young woman in the late 1950s and early 1960s, and I can assure you that none of the above was fashionable. NOT AT ALL!
If it were fashionable why would ypur next point be the case:
As such, many young women were sent to “birthing homes” so as to not be an embarassment to their families
I fear that you are condensing later practices and imagining them to be the case in earlier years. "Birthing homes" existed precisely because unwed pregnancy of any color was highly UNFASHIONABLE!
And which public would that be? Even most Republicans just roll their eyes when you say that you don't think that Obama is a citizen.
Besides, we have to get rid of a lot more people than just Obama in order to take this country back. Quitting will not make his various appointments null and void. They will continue on until replaced by a new President. Will it be Biden? You see, my thesis is proved.
To put this country back on an even keel, a lot of people will have to be replaced.
Loving v. Virginia wasn't ruled on by the U.S. Supreme Court until 1967.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_v._Virginia
Interesting how the purported marriage of BHO Sr. and SADO is seen through the lens of today's values and practices.
Being eleven years old in 1961, I can tell you that a Negro man holding hands with a white woman would be noticed by EVERYONE, scorned by MOST, and invited violence by some.
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