EXACTLY.
BTW, Palmer said in his post that it is nearly impossible to have Photoshopped the Seal in photo #5. Which "Seal" on #5 was he talking about?
Posted on 11/15/2008 6:48:02 PM PST by palmer
It's apparent that a combination of fervent believers and a small number of psychopaths and/or infiltrators have dominated the birth certificate discussion. The early evidence was in their favor and everyone should have been skeptical of the low res images on Kos, smears and politifact. The new evidence is not and is not being addressed objectively.
But photo #5 (and some of the others) is a genuine photograph of an artifact. It was not created in photoshop. That doesn't mean photoshop was not involved. A plausible set of steps is
1. Scan a real COLB including the border
2. Import into photoshop and change the text to Obama's text
3. Print the result onto the cross hatched paper (could be forged separately)
4. Obtain a embossing seal and apply it to the printout 5. Fold it as if it came from an envelope and display it to the factcheck photographer.
Another plausible scenario is someone in the Hawaii office did all the forging but on the official equipment and using the official seal. Another possibility is someone stole a seal and sold it to a forger. It is certainly possible for a forger to make a seal using the right equipment (probably a laser etcher).
The Kenya trip meme seemed to turn into an established fact in early July when proposed by null and void and properly ridiculed. Even into November null and void can only repeat her hypothesis (a honeymoon) apparently unwilling or unable to embellish it further.
Polarik surrounds himself with a number of true believers and useful idiots. The useful idiots are the ones who validate or praise his analysis while obviously not knowing anything about it. The true believers have convinced themselves that Obama was not born in Honolulu and are unable to evaluate the evidence objectively.
In their favor, the true believers have established that Obama has potential Indonesian citizenship (courtesy of Soetoro) as well as potential Kenyan citizenship (courtesy of Obama Sr). These are true regardless of where Obama was born. For the former the Kenyan citizenship would have to be activated by Obama. For the latter, Soetoro would have had to apply to make Obama an Indonesian citizen, it does not happen automatically via adoption.
The bottom line for Polarik is he has yet to address the certificate linked above. He has promised to do this for weeks now and is instead disseminating and repeating his various diatribes against Obama. My guess based on his past behavior is that he will release a rehash of the evidence against the old scan (Kos, smears, politifact) with a bit of new verbiage against the factcheck photos. He will properly point out some oddities in some of the photos while ignoring the obvious salient features in the decent photos such as number 5.
He and I have already argued about the seal (embossing) in number 5 and he claims it is a perfect circle (therefore forged). I showed that it wasn't http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/qq51/palmer2/circle.jpg and he replied with a very similar result except he used some edge detection first. He obviously just fools with some tools, but doesn't obtain any useful results. When it comes to image analysis he is a dabbler, not an expert.
With cover from his defenders he establishes a "sensitive" personality claiming that he is being ruthlessly attacked. He says that as a result he will stop posting on the certificate issue when he is done with his final writeup. I don't know if that's a real sensitivity or faked, but even if it is faked there are thousands more that will step into his shoes if he disappears.
That thread and others contain useful nuggets about other Obama problems. There are alternative threads that speak to real evidence although some of those get beaten down by the Polarik army. Polarik's followers also use Freepmail to spread gossip about posters like myself and allegedly (according to them) posted about me on another forum.
That is all good. The more publicity I get on this particular issue, the better. But I remain concerned that FreeRepublic will have the appearance of a conspiracy site because only a rather intensive conspiracy could produce the evidence photographed by Factcheck.
I am also concerned that Factcheck and others might be deliberately planting poor quality evidence in an attempt to hook in the Polariks of the world and their followers. That would not necessarily require a conspiracy although I admit it has the flavor of one. It is to the liberal opposition's benefit to keep as many people on false trails as possible not just to waste their time but to portray them as unhinged. That result was detrimental in the last election and will be detrimental in 2010 and 2012.
IMO of course.
So what the hell do you think a natural born U.S. citizen is if not a person born in the United States? But if you prefer, Title 8 > Chapter 12 > Subchapter III > Part I > § 1401 states: "The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth: (a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;"
Better?
Of course I realize that the 14 Amendment was written to address The Cvil War and as such may be "invalid" when it comes to the aid and comfort Senator Obama has given over the years to the leaders of the Weather Underground
Ya think?
Thanks for the ping. I don’t know what to think anymore about all of this BC stuff. The bottom line as far as I am concerned is that Obama is hiding alot of stuff; real birth certificate, school records, selective service forms, and the list goes on and on. Why?
Take a look at photo #5 (link in my original post) and tell me if you think the seal (embossing) was photoshopped onto the picture or a photograph was taken of a real embossed seal. If you answer the former, please explain how the seal was photoshopped over the crease in the paper (or perhaps we are supposed to believe the crease was photoshopped as well).
Very tricky...I’m not sure.
EXACTLY.
BTW, Palmer said in his post that it is nearly impossible to have Photoshopped the Seal in photo #5. Which "Seal" on #5 was he talking about?
Each of those seals is a six, aren’t they?
LOL. Nice.
Polarik’s devastating version of 3-card monte.
That will make an interesting chapter in the book. I thought Palmer would be useful for you. Keep up the good work.
bttt
Polarik did a good job with that. He used the crease to his advantage, but he could also copy a seal from a different (legit) COLB that was creased through the seal. He would adjust the color tone above and below the crease and voila: a seal without the need for an embossing tool.
I've got one Hell of a finale planned. It will be the death knell to everyone who thought -- and/or -- who still thinks that Factcheck's image and photos were genuine.
This is the smoking gun to end all smoking guns. There will be no more rebuttals from the Left. This is it folks. The end of the road for Obama. This is payback, and you know what they say about payback, don't ya?
I want to get this out before the first court hearing tomorrow.
Well hurry up, slow poke. ;o)
Authentic seals, eh? I don’t think so.
I met an authentic SEAL a couple weekends ago. Maybe we should let some SEALS interrogate That One about his phony seals.
WHY NOT JUST RELEASE A REAL ONE?
IS THAT TOO DIFFICULT FOR HIS MAJESTY?
IF IT WERE ME, WHEN THE CAMERAS WERE ROLING ON 60 MINUTES, I WOULD LAUGH, REACH INTO MY POCKET AND SAY, “AOH, STEVE, WHILE YOU ARE HERE, HOW ABOUT POSTING THIS FOR ME?
OK, SWEETIE?”
HE CAN’T! OR HE WOULD!
THE MOST LIKELY SCENARIO IS THAT HE WAS ADOPTED BY LOLO SOETORO, AND TAKEN TO INDONESIA WHERE HE BECAME A CITIZEN.
DO NOT WORRY MY FRIENDS, HILLARY HAD THIS INFO BUT THE OBAMAMEDIA REFUSED TO FOLLOW UP. SHE PARLAYED IT INTO A $30,000,000.00 BUYOUT OF THER CAMPAIGN DEBT AND A NICE CABINET POST(OR NOT) THE GOOD OLE BOYS AT RNC ALSO HAVE THIS INFO.
AFTER BARRY TAKES THE FALL FOR THIS FINANCIAL MESS, THEY’LL BELLY UP TO THE BAR WITH IT, UNLESS BARRY DOES THINGS THEIR WAY AND THEN THEY’LL JUST LET HIM STAY UNTIL 2016, THEN MITT WHO OWNS CLEAR CHANNEL, OR SOME OTHER SHILL WILL WALTZ IN WITH “GOOD IDEAS!”
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I think we all need to pray for your safety.
Polarik does good work, even you admit that.
But the jury is still out on your work.
Yes Thank you, Kevmo. We all need to pray for the Lord's continued protection and continued safety and security over myself and my family.It would really mean a lot to me.
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