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Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Reaction Thread - SPOILERS!!!!
me | 7/21/2007 | me

Posted on 07/21/2007 5:18:11 PM PDT by JenB

So you finally know what happens to Harry. All our questions are answered. Or not. What are your reactions? Whose death hurt the most? Do you want more, and about whom?

SPOILERS are ok on this thread! You have been warned!

Wow. It's over.


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To: Obi-Wandreas
They inferred that Molly was using a Killing Curse. Rowling didn't come out and say it, but from the reaction, that was used - and used silently.

The words were for intimidation, where silently, they confer more power, and less opportunity for the opponent to block or avoid the spell.

721 posted on 07/23/2007 3:56:10 PM PDT by Maigrey (The wand chooses the wizard, as much as the wizard chooses the wand... Mr. Ollivander)
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To: Obi-Wandreas
In Goblet of Fire, the fake Moody points out that the use of any of these curses on "another human being" is unforgivable. Goblins, it appears, do not have any more protection under wizard law than centaurs or house elves; though they are all sentient beings, they are considered just barely above animals.

Perhaps, though I recall Imperius being used a few times in the book; I was a bit tired, so I forget all the details.

Otherwise, another possible 'out' for Harry would be that there was no legitimate government once the Ministry had fallen. That would probably protect him legally, though it should have no impact on the moral wrongness of such actions. And use of Unforgiveable Curses on innocent sentient targets would seem to be morally wrong whether or not such targets were human.

722 posted on 07/23/2007 3:58:43 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: TightyRighty

IMO, they embody what Phineus Nigelus said about Slytherins- they look out for themselves first. They weren’t concerned with the other Hogwarts students, but when it was their kid they were all sorts of cooperative.


723 posted on 07/23/2007 3:59:18 PM PDT by retrokitten
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To: Neoliberalnot
While we are on the subject, in post #519 you said:

when so much good literature is out there.

I'm curious to know what you would regard as "good literature"?

724 posted on 07/23/2007 4:03:00 PM PDT by null and void (We are a Nation of Laws... IGNORED Laws...)
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To: r9etb

Dumbo.

Couldn’t fly without that magic feather...


725 posted on 07/23/2007 4:05:28 PM PDT by null and void (We are a Nation of Laws... IGNORED Laws...)
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To: null and void

Dr. Seuss


726 posted on 07/23/2007 4:06:19 PM PDT by TightyRighty
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To: TightyRighty
Lucius was mortally defeated, and his power stripped from him by Voldemort and by the OOP. All he had left after being stripped of power, was Draco. Once he lost the rest, nothing else mattered.

So, in the extended Potterverse, after the Battle of Hogwarts, The Malfoy family would have each other, but their power outside of their relm, into magic, would be finished, or would be reduced to something archaic - nothing more.

727 posted on 07/23/2007 4:08:15 PM PDT by Maigrey (The wand chooses the wizard, as much as the wizard chooses the wand... Mr. Ollivander)
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To: cuz_it_aint_their_money; r9etb; schwing_wifey

Here’s my take on the Elder Wand. When Draco disarmed Dumbledore on the Astronomy tower, the Elder Wand became his property, though, I believe the wand fell off the tower with Dumbledore. That’s how it came to be buried with Dumbledore, even though he was no longer the owner that was ‘chosen’ by the wand. Harry disarmed Draco at the Malfoy house, so had Draco’s wand. Voldemort broke into Dumbledore’s tomb to steal the Elder Wand, then assumed that since he now possessed it, he would have unlimited power, but it never worked right for him. In the final battle, Harry explained why it didn’t work, since he was not the wizard chosen by the wand, Draco was. Voldemort still tried to use it against Harry, and like Ron’s wand in COS, wielded by Gilderoy Lockhart, the curse rebounded on the one doing the spell, and Voldemort was done in by his own killing curse. Appropriate, isn’t it?


728 posted on 07/23/2007 4:08:25 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Shadowstrike
To me, this book was the story of Severus Snape, not Harry Potter.

In, perhaps, the same sense that the Bible is about people, not Jesus.

729 posted on 07/23/2007 4:10:32 PM PDT by null and void (We are a Nation of Laws... IGNORED Laws...)
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To: SuzanneWeeks
if Voldy was such a superb occulens (forgive the spelling) how did she get away with lying straight to his face?

He believed what he wanted to believe; that now he was invincible.

730 posted on 07/23/2007 4:11:22 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Tijeras_Slim
I just had a great image of all us FR Potterheads sitting around under umbrellas, sipping adult beverages, and BS-in' about all the books. What fun that would be!

Some of the Tolkien fans in the Hobbit Hole did just that when the third movie came out! We rented a HUGH house on the beach, and just had fun getting to know each other in real life! And we're still chatting, four years on!

731 posted on 07/23/2007 4:20:43 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: CholeraJoe
I’m going to Ireland in September. I’m going to try to get Evanna Lynch’s (Luna) autograph.

I saw her awhile back in an airport. I looked at her, and my jaw dropped, and she gave me this look like, "yep, I'm who ya think I am", and then she was gone.

I didn't think to ask for an autograph, or anything. I just stood there like a doofus with my mouth hanging agape.

732 posted on 07/23/2007 4:31:39 PM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: SuziQ; retrokitten

Galaxy Quest is probably my all-time favorite comedy. It always entertains when I go back and watch it again.

Maybe because I was a Star Trek fan back in the 60’s and it is a terrific spoof.


733 posted on 07/23/2007 4:38:50 PM PDT by patriciaruth (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1562436/posts)
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To: supercat
And use of Unforgiveable Curses on innocent sentient targets would seem to be morally wrong whether or not such targets were human.

This is, in fact, one of the central themes in the books. Many wizards, like Umbridge, see nonhumans as subhuman. They don't really believe them to be fully sentient, or belonging on the same level as humans. At best, they are things which need human protection to keep them from hurting themselves.

Contrast this with someone like Hermione who fought for (what she believed was) the well-being of house-elves. Contrast this with other Wizards who treated non-human sentients as equals. In many cases, the way a Wizard treated non-humans was used to demonstrate their character.

As far as Harry goes, I see him using the methods he did at Gringott's only as a last resort. Destroying that horcrux and vanquishing Voldemort topped off everything else. He couldn't allow anything to stop him. I'm sure using the Imperius Curse and releasing the dragon were the last things he wanted to do. He knew innocent people might be hurt. Then again, if he failed, all those people would end up dead anyway.

734 posted on 07/23/2007 4:40:29 PM PDT by Obi-Wandreas (We gotta go to the crappy town where I'm a hero)
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To: CholeraJoe

I thought she was perfectly cast in OOTP. Perfect! She didn’t get nearly enough scenes.


735 posted on 07/23/2007 4:42:00 PM PDT by Lil'freeper (You do not have the plug-in required to view this tagline.)
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To: patriciaruth; SuziQ; retrokitten

I meant to respond earlier too... Galaxy Quest has got to be one of the funniest, tongue-in-cheek SciFi movies of all time...like an “Airplane” or “Monty Python and the Holy Grail” - a classic.

and I LOVE seeing Alan Rickman in a comedy role....


736 posted on 07/23/2007 4:49:06 PM PDT by schwing_wifey (Lily was mistaken..The Borg are Swedish..Resistance is Futile.....)
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To: schwing_wifey; SuziQ

Heck, I enjoy Rickman in any role.


737 posted on 07/23/2007 4:58:29 PM PDT by Lil'freeper (You do not have the plug-in required to view this tagline.)
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To: null and void; retrokitten; grellis
Hey guys, don't you remember the classic t-shirt and poster -

Never argue with an idiot, people watching may not be able to tell the difference.


And thats what we got here with the "liberal" - so just ignore "it" and eventually "it" will go away.

Actually you may want to feel sorry for "it" because its pulling a "Cindy Sheehan"...remember what folks were calling her??? An "attention XXXXX".
738 posted on 07/23/2007 5:00:04 PM PDT by schwing_wifey (Damn..the kid knows how to disapparate...just ask him to do a chore......)
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To: Obi-Wandreas
As far as Harry goes, I see him using the methods he did at Gringott's only as a last resort.

Certainly that's how he saw them, but I still see it as reflecting poorly on his character.

Further, I would have liked for him to have been a little more straightforward in telling the goblin his intentions--to wit: to destroy certain dark magic artifacts, one of which was likely in Bellatrix's vault. He did not want to remove anything from the vault--merely destroy something that was there--but he needed Godric Griffindor's sword to do so.

Given the difference between Goblins' and humans' perceptions of ownership, I would think presenting things in that way might have caused him to be seen as less of a thief.

739 posted on 07/23/2007 5:00:37 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: IDontLikeToPayTaxes
I guess the next Tri Wizard tournament will be somewhat strained, with all the Hogwarts students and faculty saying to the other schools, "thanks for nothing with that whole Voldemort war, as$holes!"

Yeah. The french are very grateful for us pulling their butts out of the fire in TWO world wars, aren't they?

740 posted on 07/23/2007 5:09:29 PM PDT by null and void (We are a Nation of Laws... IGNORED Laws...)
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