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Mary Cheney's pregnancy affects us all
Townhall ^ | 12/07/2006 | Janice Shaw Crouse

Posted on 12/07/2006 7:16:54 AM PST by Responsibility2nd

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To: Democratshavenobrains

I agree. But unfortunately, I'm seeing many FReepers who think "Heather has two Mommies" is none of my business, and some go so far as to believe this is wonderful!


321 posted on 12/07/2006 11:39:05 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (Abortion is to family planning what bankruptcy is to financial planning)
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To: xsmommy

My attack was only after I had already proven him wrong. I was just egging him on because it's fun.

If you can refute one of my points, feel free. He certainly can't.


322 posted on 12/07/2006 11:39:15 AM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: He Rides A White Horse

he was talking about the "morality" of Jefferson

I pointed out that Jefferson was himself responsible for fatherless children, so either he was an immoral deadbeat or he didn't view the father as being nessecary

take your pick. either way, his comments show his disregard of facts


323 posted on 12/07/2006 11:39:49 AM PST by ChurtleDawg (kill em all)
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To: Democratshavenobrains
The fact that Cheney had a lesbian daughter to begin with should have disqualified him from being on a conservative Republican ticket. Its not like he just found out in 2001. The idiots in charge of Bush's campaign are to blame for this even coming up.

The only excuse I can think of is that the homo-promo issue has become exponentially worse since 2000. Back then, it was barely on my radar screen. It's now a real issue that WILL cost the GOP votes--maybe millions of them--if they don't get their act together.
324 posted on 12/07/2006 11:40:46 AM PST by Antoninus (Rudy as nominee = President Hillary. Why else do you think the media love him?)
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To: drjimmy
You're just jealous that the Mullahs may beat you to it.

I'll go on record as saying that the moment the Muzzies try to enslave our women and children, I'll be shooting at them. You can take that to the bank.

325 posted on 12/07/2006 11:40:50 AM PST by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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To: Democratshavenobrains

Yah, because, clearly, kids always grow up to do just what their parents tell them. /sarcasm


326 posted on 12/07/2006 11:42:09 AM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: zbigreddogz
A legal arguement and a political arguement are different things.

You're the one who debuted on this thread with the asinie argument that everything said herein must be considered a political argument for gov't action.

Don't cry when I turn your own stupid statement around for my own amusement.

327 posted on 12/07/2006 11:42:17 AM PST by SoothingDave (Are you on the list?)
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To: Responsibility2nd

this is a political forum. either you want the government, the politicians to outlaw it or you want them to leave it alone

take your pick

do you want the government to regulate who can have kids, so your pocketbook isn't affected? or do you want to let people live their life the way they wish as long as they are not hurting others?


328 posted on 12/07/2006 11:42:17 AM PST by ChurtleDawg (kill em all)
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To: zbigreddogz
I've posted this before, but reading your comments makes me ask again.....

Am I on Free Republic here??? or Dummie Underground?

329 posted on 12/07/2006 11:42:20 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (Abortion is to family planning what bankruptcy is to financial planning)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I see it as a slap in the face to her father and to this Administration. She could have waited until her father was out of office.


330 posted on 12/07/2006 11:42:52 AM PST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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To: Antoninus
After I had my first, I made up my mind to do whatever it took to raise that baby the best way I could. My "career" is only a means to that end. If I had the financial wherewithall to quit my job tomorrow and still provide a roof, clothing and food for my kids, I would in a second

Bingo. You have a career. You still sound like a good parent to me. As I mentioned, I believe that the majority of career parents are like you - with a career, but the clear priority going to that of the children. Of course the majority of people would rather not work and stay with their children. But that's not often an option.

I believe that parents who put their careers ahead of their children (except in the case of true need) are doing their kids a grave disservice and have their priorities screwed up.

I agree with this. I just don't understand why you believe that Mary Cheney would be more likely to fall into this category than any other parent out there.
331 posted on 12/07/2006 11:43:15 AM PST by Stone Mountain
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To: hubbubhubbub

how? in what way does society have ANY right whatsoever to tell Mary Cheney she can or cannot have a daughter?

please explain that. This is between Mary, her family and God.


332 posted on 12/07/2006 11:44:02 AM PST by ChurtleDawg (kill em all)
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To: He Rides A White Horse; linda_22003

Just this final thought:

Linda described herself as a liberitine:

"A person who is unconstrained by convention or morality; specifically one leading a dissolute life."

Webster's Seventh New Collegiate Dictionary c.1965

Or:

"A man (rarely a woman) who is not restrained by moral law; one who leads a licentious life.
Acknowledging no law in religion or morals;...
Loose in morals,; licentious, dissolute..."

The Oxford Universal Dictionary c. 1961

That's what my dictionaries say.

Some people are proud of this.


333 posted on 12/07/2006 11:44:07 AM PST by little jeremiah
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To: ChurtleDawg

They did not prove that Thomas Jefferson was the daddy beyond a reasonable doubt. They proved a Jefferson was the daddy. And there were a few amorous relatives around at the time who could also have fathered the Hemings' children.

I believe that T. Jefferson was the father, but that's just my feeling after visiting Monticello and reading a bit on the subject. My favorite professor, Forrest McDonald, believes T. did not father any of Sally Hemings' children. And he can't stand Jefferson! Jefferson was executor of several wills of slaveowners. It was the will of these folks that their slaves be freed upon their (the slaveowners) deaths. Jefferson did not free those slaves. His will provided that select slaves be freed upon his death.


334 posted on 12/07/2006 11:44:20 AM PST by petitfour
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To: drjimmy
....and I don't care if my comment results in a visit from the police.

Islamic nutjobs all over the globe are waging war on the West; for my part, if they attempt an incursion in my neighborhood, they'll get a third eye.

335 posted on 12/07/2006 11:44:51 AM PST by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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To: Antoninus
I would argue precedent on that one. I'd wager one of the reasons Mary "discovered" that she was a lesbian was a desperate cry for attention from her distant career parents. It wouldn't be the first time.

That's assuming an awful lot with thin gruel. I don't see that as good evidence or any indication at all that Mary Cheney will put her career ahead of taking care of her child.
336 posted on 12/07/2006 11:46:17 AM PST by Stone Mountain
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To: SoothingDave

:sigh: I can't figure out if you are actually as clueless as you seem, or if you are just doing it to annoy me.

There is big "P" Political, which encompasses everything that the Government does.

Then, there is a division of powers, where we have the legislature do "political" things (you can replace the word "political" here with "policy" if that helps you), and the courts deal with "legal" things.

It's pretty clear the discussion of Mary Cheney's kid is big "P" Political.

But to the question of privacy, there is small p "political" things that can and should be done about it. I've stated my preferences. From a "legal" standpoint, it's an entirely different issue.

Do you get it yet? Or do you need to go back to PoliSci 101?


337 posted on 12/07/2006 11:47:20 AM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: ChurtleDawg

If there were more than a teeny tiny number of lesbians in 18th century America, if they had any children it would have been with an actual man as a father.

And they did not make it public, policy or a political statement.


338 posted on 12/07/2006 11:47:42 AM PST by little jeremiah
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To: drjimmy

Maragine and live sex shows have nothing in common.


339 posted on 12/07/2006 11:48:32 AM PST by little jeremiah
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To: ChurtleDawg
this is a political forum. either you want the government, the politicians to outlaw it or you want them to leave it alone

The false dichotomy rears its ugly head again.

You guys are like a course in fallacies.

340 posted on 12/07/2006 11:48:33 AM PST by SoothingDave (Are you on the list?)
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