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What are Darwinists so afraid of?
worldnetdaily.com ^ | 07/27/2006 | Jonathan Witt

Posted on 07/27/2006 3:00:03 PM PDT by BrandtMichaels

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To: RightWhale

"Were they all Jewish? The Gentiles (Greek) contributed many members to the early Church."

The disciples were commanded to preach the Gospel, "first to the Jew, then the Gentile." Many of the first converts, even in Greek cities, were Jewish. There were many Hellenized or Romanized Jews, like Paul, who was a Roman citizen. Of course, many Gentiles did come into the fold very early, even during the lifetime of Jesus.


841 posted on 07/28/2006 9:58:57 AM PDT by hellbender
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To: BrandtMichaels
Maybe just start listing the assumptions that must be accpeted in order for evolution to be true?

Maybe just start listing the scientific assumption that must be accepted in order for Creationism to be true?

842 posted on 07/28/2006 10:02:13 AM PDT by Jeff Gordon (Is tractus pro pensio.)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
All true.

I am reminded of a story about Churchill (WSC) and Teddy Roosevelt (TR), who never could stand WSC, and TR's daughter. When asked why her father detested WSC so much her simple reply was 'Because they are so much alike'.

That is the way it seems to be with some of the Darwinists (note I said SOME) and virtually all of the leftist AntiCoulterists. The main reason they hate Ann so much is that she reflects back so much of what they are, but she manages to use a much higher level of intellect against the primary arguments espoused by the leftist cretins.

The left simply cannot stand having their own mud thrown back on them, or to have one of their vested own attcked, when one does they turn blue with rage and throw back everything they can against anyone who dares attack them or the beliefs they hold dear. They seem to hold a special place of detest-ability for women, thus:

Paula Jones = Trailer Park Trash
Katheryn Harris => Too much make up
Ann Coulter => too skinny, hateful, Nazi

The list goes on, but I think you get the point.

Or do you?

843 posted on 07/28/2006 10:02:52 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples money -- M. Thatcher)
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To: Michael.SF.; CarolinaGuitarman

Those are pithy and a bit sarcastic, but not insulting.

And the first couple appear to be pointed at Ann, not the posters.

Making the obesrvation that it is foolish to get scientific information from a political pundit is not insulting.

Now, do you want me to post samples of CR/Ider's "love of their fellow brothers" as they walk in Jesus' steps?


844 posted on 07/28/2006 10:05:08 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (A Conservative will die for individual freedom. A Liberal will kill you for the good of society.)
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To: RobRoy
Piltcown man, Lucy, Spotted moth, Kennewick man, etc.

Piltdown is a wonderful example of a scientific success. Unlike religion, including Christianity, science has methods and structures to detect fraud. Since fraudulent data have already been excluded from the scientific body, it is no longer at issue. Therefore it is not "fake."

845 posted on 07/28/2006 10:09:55 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (A Conservative will die for individual freedom. A Liberal will kill you for the good of society.)
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To: Jeff Gordon

Sola Scripture - the only 2 assumptions are basically contained in this latin statement meaning God is not a liar and His Word contains all truth needed for mankind. The truth and meaning of the Holy Scriptures are self-explanatory and self-defined.

Just because they don't explain all the knowledge that mankind has attained does not invalidate them - this is actually done for our own protection from ourselves. In fact, it was the explosion of mankinds knowledge that caused the tower of Babel and it was by God's great mercy and grace that the languages were introduced and mankind disperced from one another - preventing their own untimely destruction through new technologies possibly even nuclear technology. Furthermore, Revelation states that the end-times will have to be shortened to also prevent mankind from complete and total self-destruction.


846 posted on 07/28/2006 10:15:08 AM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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To: freedumb2003

Unless or until the next evolution fraud comes to light anyways...


847 posted on 07/28/2006 10:17:10 AM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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To: freedumb2003
Those are pithy and a bit sarcastic, but not insulting.

Ann has termed the NY Times to be traitors, who should be shot and has expressed the highest degrees of contempt for them and a poster states that Ann is the same as the NYT. You state this is not insulting?

You and I have a very different definition of what an insult is, as such, I see no point in continuing the conversation, but I will wish you well and hope you enjoy yourself.

848 posted on 07/28/2006 10:18:44 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples money -- M. Thatcher)
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To: Michael.SF.
Not on a darwin thread, they hate her. Why do you say that? Stating the fact that she was wrong on most every point in her book in regards to evolution doesn't rise to the level of hate. Adults can disagree with out hating each other.
849 posted on 07/28/2006 10:19:26 AM PDT by RFC_Gal (There is no tagline)
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To: RobRoy
So do the abortionists. ;) That is because she got the facts correct in regards to abortion.
850 posted on 07/28/2006 10:20:35 AM PDT by RFC_Gal (There is no tagline)
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To: Michael.SF.
You and I have a very different definition of what an insult is, as such, I see no point in continuing the conversation, but I will wish you well and hope you enjoy yourself.

Yes we do. I think insulting the person doing the posting is an insult. I think insulting a political pundit to be commentary.

Probably why you CR/Iders do so much insulting. You don't know what you are doing.

851 posted on 07/28/2006 10:24:07 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (A Conservative will die for individual freedom. A Liberal will kill you for the good of society.)
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To: BrandtMichaels
Unless or until the next evolution fraud comes to light anyways...

Of the next physics fraud (cold fusion anyone?) or the next chemistry fraud (got an additive that will make your car get 100 MPG?)

Scientific frauds happen. So do other types. The difference is that science has structures to ferret them out and, once discovered, excludes the data from the body.

Not so religion. Scientology continues to operate in the open. As does the LDS.

852 posted on 07/28/2006 10:28:44 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (A Conservative will die for individual freedom. A Liberal will kill you for the good of society.)
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To: js1138
What flaws? Describe them.

If you're truly interested, you can find them just like I did. If you're interested in merely trying to create an online argument, I won't participate.

The fact is there are some big problems with Darwinism/Evolution, whatever you want to call it. And my previous point remains, to wit:

[Devotees to Darwin] are vehemently opposed to anyone pointing out flaws or offering the alternative point of view, almost to the point of being rabid.

Good luck to you, if you're truly interested in finding the flaws in the theory.

853 posted on 07/28/2006 10:29:31 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of "dependence on government"!)
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To: Jeff Gordon

Interesting that a day later and several hundreds of posts and the pro-evolution crowd continues with the ID/creation drumbeat. Please re-read the article - I'm only looking for a discussion regarding the assumptions and problems found in the related evolutionary theories.

The article is only proposing that an open and honest presentation of facts and lack thereof be taught in public schools. This is not meant to be a defense for ID/creation nor advocacy for same.

I think the best place to start would be with a complete definition of both the Darwinian and Evolution theories along with a complete overview of what these theories predict. Feel free to include proven, un-proven, and failed predictions.


854 posted on 07/28/2006 10:33:09 AM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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To: Just mythoughts
There appears to be personal issues with the devotees of evolution. You are correct. We appear to have a rational like of the truth and science. While I can only speak for myself I would like to apologizes for my support of the facts. If you have been offended in any way I am very sorry.
855 posted on 07/28/2006 10:37:52 AM PDT by RFC_Gal (There is no tagline)
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To: DoctorMichael

Who do you think the designerS were?


856 posted on 07/28/2006 10:39:56 AM PDT by RFC_Gal (There is no tagline)
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To: Leatherneck_MT

Same reason we don't debate astrology in physics. We could. Sure it might open some lively debates and critical thinking. But worthwhile as part of science education?


857 posted on 07/28/2006 10:40:14 AM PDT by bobdsmith
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To: BrandtMichaels
I think the best place to start would be with a complete definition of both the Darwinian and Evolution theories along with a complete overview of what these theories predict. Feel free to include proven, un-proven, and failed predictions.

In light of this line from your profile page:

The more I've learned Biblically, the more I have come to accept fundamentalism (accepting God's Word as complete and true) which also means I believe in a YEC (Young Earth Creation).

lets start with the ideas of 1) an old earth and 2) no global flood at about 2350 BC. If either of these ideas can be shown to be incorrect then the theory of evolution has a problem (as do most other branches of science).

My guess is that you will find huge amounts of "evidence" for a young earth and a global flood, but won't be able to see the evidence for evolution.

858 posted on 07/28/2006 10:40:15 AM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Oztrich Boy

While you quote the deceived Robert Heinlein, a mere prideful mortal and pawn of satan; I'll quote The Lord God, the giver of life and sing praises to Him.

Psalm 9

1 I will praise you, O LORD, with all my heart;
I will tell of all your wonders.

2 I will be glad and rejoice in you;
I will sing praise to your name, O Most High.

3 My enemies turn back;
they stumble and perish before you.

4 For you have upheld my right and my cause;
you have sat on your throne, judging righteously.

5 You have rebuked the nations and destroyed the wicked;
you have blotted out their name for ever and ever.

6 Endless ruin has overtaken the enemy,
you have uprooted their cities;
even the memory of them has perished.

7 The LORD reigns forever;
he has established his throne for judgment.

8 He will judge the world in righteousness;
he will govern the peoples with justice.

9 The LORD is a refuge for the oppressed,
a stronghold in times of trouble.

10 Those who know your name will trust in you,
for you, LORD, have never forsaken those who seek you.

11 Sing praises to the LORD, enthroned in Zion;
proclaim among the nations what he has done.

12 For he who avenges blood remembers;
he does not ignore the cry of the afflicted.

13 O LORD, see how my enemies persecute me!
Have mercy and lift me up from the gates of death,

14 that I may declare your praises
in the gates of the Daughter of Zion
and there rejoice in your salvation.

15 The nations have fallen into the pit they have dug;
their feet are caught in the net they have hidden.

16 The LORD is known by his justice;
the wicked are ensnared by the work of their hands.
Higgaion.

17 The wicked return to the grave, all the nations that forget God.

18 But the needy will not always be forgotten,
nor the hope of the afflicted ever perish.

19 Arise, O LORD, let not man triumph;
let the nations be judged in your presence.

20 Strike them with terror, O LORD;
let the nations know they are but men.
Selah


I will praise HIM for The Lord God is worthy of our praise!!


859 posted on 07/28/2006 10:40:32 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: razzle

For your future reference.

First Law of Thermodynamics

The first law of thermodynamics is often called the Law of Conservation of Energy. This law suggests that energy can be transferred from one system to another in many forms. However, it can not be created nor destroyed. Thus, the total amount of energy available in the Universe is constant. Einstein's famous equation (written below) describes the relationship between energy and matter:
E = MC2

In the equation above, energy (E) is equal to matter (M) times the square of a constant (C). Einstein suggested that energy and matter are interchangeable. His equation also suggests that the quantity of energy and matter in the Universe is fixed.



Second Law of Thermodynamics

Heat can never pass spontaneously from a colder to a hotter body. As a result of this fact, natural processes that involve energy transfer must have one direction, and all natural processes are irreversible. This law also predicts that the entropy of an isolated system always increases with time. Entropy is the measure of the disorder or randomness of energy and matter in a system. Because of the second law of thermodynamics both energy and matter in the Universe are becoming less useful as time goes on. Perfect order in the Universe occurred the instance after the Big Bang when energy and matter and all of the forces of the Universe were unified.



Third Law of Thermodynamics

The third law of thermodynamics states that if all the thermal motion of molecules (kinetic energy) could be removed, a state called absolute zero would occur. Absolute zero results in a temperature of 0 Kelvins or -273.15° Celsius.
Absolute Zero = 0 Kelvins = -273.15° Celsius

The Universe will attain absolute zero when all energy and matter is randomly distributed across space. The current temperature of empty space in the Universe is about 2.7 Kelvins.


860 posted on 07/28/2006 10:41:56 AM PDT by RFC_Gal (There is no tagline)
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