Posted on 07/27/2006 3:00:03 PM PDT by BrandtMichaels
We're not discussing whether it FOLLOWS, we're discussing whether there is at least one presentation of it that draws from it the lesson: "There is no God."
There is at least one presentation that does so.
BTW, the issue of abiogenesis as NOT being a part of the TOE has been discussed more than once around here. Many will say that the TOE does not include any theory of origins at all.
On the other hand, many of us were taught that some protein sea was struck by lightning and that the first cell came from that event and that's what got the whole ball rolling. I remember that. I've posted material before that supports that this is what we were taught back in our era. It was linked, although it was presented as one idea; a smooth transition.
This mechanistic view of the origin and evolution of life is atheistic, and it is what many reference.
Personally, I don't see any necessity for any God if all these other things are factual. I've never had anyone explain to me how a God could fit into it, nor what characteristics such a God would have.
Feel free to fill me in if you have the time. I'm assuming, of course, that you are some variety of theist. Is that accurate?
Oh yeah, where are all those transitional fossils we have been waiting 200 yrs for?
Fact is I put my faith in Jesus Christ while you put yours into a bunch of lying, twisting scientist stealing gummit grant money. Fact is your religion has cost the lives of 200 million people around the world under Nazism/Communism. Fact is your religion is as dead as Latin and in 10 years will be as dead as communism.
So go tell everyone that gravity and fossils are the same. Go pull the victim card that Christians are mean. You still have the gummit forcing your religion down kids throats at the point of a gun. Perhaps you can keep them brainwashed just like you guys.
What Conservative doesn't question something as full of holes as evolution, the foundation of Communism??
Pray for W and Our Troops
Shalom Israel
I said the use of intelligent design begins with thought, not that only thought is involved. Thought is essential to intelligent design. Is thought an unscientific entity since it is beyond physical grasp? How can we even have science without it?
To some, you are a newbie.
Not really. It says no more than at some point in our history, something was designed. It does not say who designed us, why they did so, who implemented the design, how it was implemented, when it was implement. An explanation should minimally answer the questions who, when, how, and why.
Evolution is a theory that explains how species turn into other species. it does not explain the origin of life. Various abiogenetic hypotheses attempt to explain the origin of life.
Caricaturing obsolete abiogenetic hypotheses may be amusing, but it does not advance the discusssion.
If they were to admit that obvious truth then the house of cards is 52 pick-up. They can never let that happen because then it is not "SCIENCE"!!!
Pray for W and Our Troops
Shalom Israel
I do not think that serious scientists contend any more that life came from lightning in a soup, and the physics of the big bang do not necessarily involve creation of energy from nothing. There is also observational evidence for the big bang.
Do you now notice that you have proceeded from rejecting the primary theory of modern biology to rejecting much of modern physics? I notice you have a Dobsonian mounted telescope on your profile. Do you reject that the red shift of galaxies comes from expansion of the universe? Do you reject Lemaitre's version of the General Relativity field equations? That is a lot of science to throw in the trash can.
FWIIW, I don't think anyone said your vocation EXCLUDES you from participating in the discussion. It simply doesn't QUALIFY you for the discussion. Mine doesn't either.
But an understanding of scientific princples (such as what a "theory" is), the scinetific method, what science demands, and what TToE says and doesn't say does.
For example, the moment someone says "it's just a theory" they disqualify themselves from the discussion since they don't posess the underlying understanding of the subject at hand.
With that, abandoning thread.
I didn't 'pull the victim card' as you call it.
I said you are rude, which your posts prove. You will notice that I didn't reference any of your posts nor did I threaten to call the mods on you. Perhaps you feel guilty about how you treat others.
I suggest you read your religious texts again, paying close attention on the portions that describe how you should treat others because you are not a very effective witness for Christ at the present time.
Nuclear, Biological, Chemical protection suite.
Hint for the future, try typing "NBC Protection Suit" into a search engine. The 4 I just tried had the correct answer in the first result set returned.
You are overlooking one teeny tiny little point - humor is funny.
But I must ask - how do you know what religion I follow? I haven't said what my beliefs are so you must have either made it up - which would be lying/spreading rumors - both of which are against your religion or you are a witch with paranormal powers. I believe your religion has specific teachings as to what should be done to those who are legitimize witches.
And you still claim to follow Christ. Sorry, but your actions speak different.
I just checked my ping list and I am very impressed you guys are still going at it.
Seems to me that they were under Roman occupation at the time, and it was the Romans that crucified Christ.
This is pretty sad. What a shame that in this day and age, all the fighting for freedom behind us, people can't believe differently and live peacefully side by side without name calling, spitting, shrill arguments, etc. The world's new wave ideas and attacks on Christianity fuels the Christian anger and makes them unforgiving, defensive and hostile. Civilizations new trend to attack Christians also feeds the agnostic/atheists and sometimes gives them unrealistic and assumed license to attack others' faith calling them stupid. I'm becoming more and more disillusioned as it's proven to me time and time again that religious freedom is dying in this country.
Scarecrows and Tinmen placemarker ... or perhaps I should follow freedumb2003's lead and abandon this one?
"subverting all education to seize early the minds of the young, and by killing, locking up, or driving underground all heretics."
I'll keep looking, though.
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