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To: wintertime; Aetius; Alamo-Girl; AndrewC; Asphalt; Aussie Dasher; Baraonda; BereanBrain; ...
"Government must get out of the education business."

They've done such a wonderful job of it, after all...

Teaching cultural/philosophical issues like evolution is not education; it's indoctrination.

784 posted on 04/22/2006 4:36:35 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: editor-surveyor
"Teaching cultural/philosophical issues like evolution ID/creationism is not education; it's indoctrination."

Fixed that for you. :)

786 posted on 04/22/2006 4:38:10 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life....")
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To: editor-surveyor; CarolinaGuitarman; Alamo-Girl; marron; hosepipe
Teaching cultural/philosophical issues like evolution is not education; it's indoctrination.

Actually editor-surveyor, I don't think the teaching of evolution is the problem here.

In other words, in my view the problem consists of what sort of evolution is being taught, not so much the teaching of evolution per se.

People who think evolution is a material, random process; and people who think evolution is the presently-existing partial fulfillment of God's Will for His Creation, not yet complete, are bound to differ about the foundations, or the Truth, of reality.

I gather that's what the current "public dialogue" is all about. (At least I hope so; we face such grave challenges at the present time it seems....)

BTW, do you really have a beef WRT the teaching of "philosophical/cultural issues" in the secondary schools and institutions of higher learning, in principle??? If so, WHY???

Thank you ever so much for writing, editor-surveyor, and for the ping!

792 posted on 04/22/2006 5:11:19 PM PDT by betty boop (The world of Appearance is Reality’s cloak -- "Nature loves to hide.")
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[ "Government must get out of the education business." ]

Exactly, because its become a scam.. it ceased being a "business" ages ago.. Even as a business it was lacking business principles... but as a scam.. its parasitic.. and maleficent..

793 posted on 04/22/2006 5:18:59 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: editor-surveyor
They've done such a wonderful job of it, after all...

Interesting article here, in this regard ... I recommend following the link in the article to Gatto's stuff too.

ML/NJ

795 posted on 04/22/2006 5:24:36 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: editor-surveyor
Evo is not education, it is indoctrination. The science classroom has become the beachhead.

The religion of evolution takes on the cloak of hard science (its mechanisms no more extraordinary than random mutation and natural selection) and under the cloak of hard science it attempts to make the science classroom its sacrosanct temple where no other concepts will be broached

W.
799 posted on 04/22/2006 6:15:37 PM PDT by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: editor-surveyor

Thanks for the ping!


821 posted on 04/22/2006 10:12:54 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: editor-surveyor; CarolinaGuitarman
Teaching cultural/philosophical issues like evolution is not education; it's indoctrination. ( editor-surveyor)

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Editor-surveyor and CaroinaGuitarman,

There is NO way that any government school can satisfy both of your educational demands. No matter what the government school decides it will support the religious worldview of one of you and undermine the religious worldview of the other.

Evolution is merely one example of hundreds that prove the illegitimacy of government schools.

The solution is to begin the privatization of universal K-12 education. We can as a society provide for the education of all our children in private settings.

However....it does seem that the pro-evolutionists are the most vigorous supporters of government schools and the most vocal against vouchers, tax credits, and freedom of choice for students and parents. ( This is my anecdotal observation). I wonder why that is? Is it because they wish to impose their anointed will upon other parents' children?
829 posted on 04/23/2006 8:23:58 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: editor-surveyor

 

"Government must get out of the education business."

They've done such a wonderful job of it, after all...

Teaching cultural/philosophical issues like evolution is not education; it's indoctrination.




.... Anti-semitism was the overwhelming topic in every school curriculum. Indeed, the propaganda picture books published by Der Stürmer, the organ responsible for the dissemination of many of the anti-semitic publications during the Hitler years, demonstrate that anti-semitism was taught before children "were six or seven or eight."

     No single target of nazification took higher priority than Germany's young. By 1937, 97% of all teachers belonged to the National Socialist Teachers' Union. Every member of this union had to submit an ancestry table in triplicate with official documents of proof. Courses and textbooks in Nazi schools reflected the aims of Hitler. Of the topics that teachers were required to treat, the most important was racial theory and, by extention, the Jewish problem. In The National Socialist Essence of Education, a German educator wrote that mathematics was "Aryan spiritual property; .. an expression of the nordic fighting spirit, of the nordic struggle for the supremacy of the world..."[1] An example of racial propaganda in a math problem is the following: "The Jews are aliens in Germany--in 1933 there were 66,060,000 inhabitants in the German Reich, of whom 499,682 were Jews. What is the per cent of aliens?"[2]

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/m/mills-mary/mills-00.html


 

Quotes of Adolf Hitler

"I begin with the young. We older ones are used up. We are rotten to the marrow. We are cowardly and sentimental. We are bearing the burden of a humiliating past, and have in our blood the dull recollection of serfdom and servility. But my magnificent youngsters! Are there any finer ones in the world? Look at these young men and boys! What material! With them, I can make a new world. This is the heroic stage of youth. Out of it will come the creative man, the man-god."

"When an opponent declares, 'I will not come over to your side,' I say calmly, 'Your child belongs to us already...What are you? You will pass on. Your descendants, however, now stand in the new camp. In a short time they will know nothing but this new community'."

"...Knowledge would spoil my young people. I prefer that they learn only what they pick up by following their own play instinct. But they must learn self-control. I will have them master the fear of death through the most difficult trials. That is the heroic stage of youth. Out of it will grow the stage of the free man, a human being who is the measure and center of the world."

"The German youth must be slender and supple, fast as a greyhound, tough as leather, and hard as Krupp steel. He must learn to do without, to endure criticism and injustice, to be reliable, discreet, decent, and loyal."

 

1,036 posted on 04/24/2006 8:43:37 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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