Posted on 04/19/2006 3:57:51 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
A new article in PLoS Biology (April 18, 2006) discusses the state of scientific literacy in the United States, with especial attention to the survey research of Jon D. Miller, who directs the Center for Biomedical Communications at Northwestern University Medical School.
To measure public acceptance of the concept of evolution, Miller has been asking adults if "human beings, as we know them, developed from earlier species of animals" since 1985. He and his colleagues purposefully avoid using the now politically charged word "evolution" in order to determine whether people accept the basics of evolutionary theory. Over the past 20 years, the proportion of Americans who reject this concept has declined (from 48% to 39%), as has the proportion who accept it (45% to 40%). Confusion, on the other hand, has increased considerably, with those expressing uncertainty increasing from 7% in 1985 to 21% in 2005.In international surveys, the article reports, "[n]o other country has so many people who are absolutely committed to rejecting the concept of evolution," quoting Miller as saying, "We are truly out on a limb by ourselves."
The "partisan takeover" of the title refers to the embrace of antievolutionism by what the article describes as "the right-wing fundamentalist faction of the Republican Party," noting, "In the 1990s, the state Republican platforms in Alaska, Iowa, Kansas, Oklahoma, Oregon, Missouri, and Texas all included demands for teaching creation science." NCSE is currently aware of eight state Republican parties that have antievolutionism embedded in their official platforms or policies: those of Alaska, Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oregon, and Texas. Four of them -- those of Alaska, Kansas, Oklahoma, Oregon, and Texas -- call for teaching forms of creationism in addition to evolution; the remaining three call only for referring the decision whether to teach such "alternatives" to local school districts.
A sidebar to the article, entitled "Evolution under Attack," discusses the role of NCSE and its executive director Eugenie C. Scott in defending the teaching of evolution. Scott explained the current spate of antievolution activity as due in part to the rise of state science standards: "for the first time in many states, school districts are faced with the prospect of needing to teach evolution. ... If you don't want evolution to be taught, you need to attack the standards." Commenting on the decision in Kitzmiller v. Dover [Kitzmiller et al. v Dover Area School District et al.], Scott told PLoS Biology, "Intelligent design may be dead as a legal strategy but that does not mean it is dead as a popular social movement," urging and educators to continue to resist to the onslaught of the antievolution movement. "It's got legs," she quipped. "It will evolve."
You replied: I did NOT say that. You are creating your own strawman and then arguing against it.
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Really? I quote you here:
"There is NO way that the government school can approach the topic of the origins of mankind without ESTABLISHING the worldview of some ( with political, cultural, and religious consequences) without actively working against and deliberately destroying the political, cultural, and religious belief systems of others."
The bolding is my addition to your post 14 in this thread.
You used the word "destroy" and now you are trying to disavow its use, even denying that you used it at all. It's a shame that you will not even own up to your own words. It makes it challenging to address your other points, the upshot of which seems to be your distaste for paying taxes.
BWAHAHAHA!. You cited a link critical of ethnomathematics, the postmodernist leftist idea that mathematics is socially constructed. But you don't realize it's the article is critical of ethnomathematics, and so you're taking the multiculturalist left position the article is attacking.
What on earth gave you the idea you were a conservative?
While no one is specifically forced to take biology, they ARE forced to assembly with those who do. A child can not exempt himself from the entire culture of the school. This social environment of other students and teachers will have political, cultural, and religious consequences.
LOL! So we should forgo teaching anything that might offend anyone in the school, even if they themselves don't take the offending course, for fear we contaminate the 'culture.'
Even the crazier pomo lefties on my campus would be hesitant to advance this theory. You can't be for real.
In other words, no one can exempt themselves from the culture in which they live.
Well, some do try. But Muslims living in the West cannot actually exempt themselves from a culture that tolerates satire about things they might feel are holy. And my view of that inability is: tough.
I have seen that our government is selling off some old Cold War-era nuclear bunkers. They aren't too expensive, and sound like something you might find a perfect environment for your approach to raising kids.
No offense, but that's one hell of a weird bee in your bonnet.
Even math has political, cultural, and religious consequences, and is NOT neutral. Even math establishes the worldview of some while undermining that of others and it does have religious consequences.
You think math IS NOT politically, culturally, and religiously neutral? What fields of study do you think ARE politically, culturally, and religiously neutral
The bar chart says $8K for 2003. You do know how to read a bar chart, right? Your numbers are from a back of the envelope estimate by some unknown activist. Mine are from the National Science Foundation.
That various state expenditures vary has never been disputed by me.
Untrue. When I posted Nebraska stats (which are very close to the national average) you disputed them.
That the average cost of educating a government K-12 child in the U.S remains MORE than $10,870 per year, per child. This is more than 1/3 the cost of the cost of the military.
So its costs $30,000 a year to run the military?
Unreal.
Why do you evomaniacs always fall back to insulting advanced concepts that you cannot comprehend? It would really be helpful if you could find some real scientists and mathematicians to represent you in the great evo debate.
DMZ
You are completely correct.
I consider it a compliment that you read my post.
LOL! So we should forgo teaching anything that might offend anyone in the school, even if they themselves don't take the offending course, for fear we contaminate the 'culture.'
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Solution: Begin the process of privatizing universal K-12 education. Parents, teachers, and principals, in private setting, should be the people deciding how the origins of life be presented to the children.
Umm, RWP is an honest-to-goodness real life scientist. He comprehends these subjects just fine.
Hint No. 1:Stay focused on the subject. The subject of this side debate was education costs. Therefore the $30,000 refers to per pupil expenditures per year at American schools on military bases.
Hint No. 2: The National Science Foundation is a political organization and should not be considered a reliable source. Trust, but verify.
It is not a valid approact to Christianity, because Jesus Himself made His miracles a central component of His teachings. If you remove all the Supernatural from Christianity you don't have Christianity anymore.
The problem is too long to go into here in detail, but the difficulty is that "by definition" miracles are rare, AND "break the rules"; and since they are done by supernatural agents they are non-testable. This means that just when the empirical approach would be most useful, it is inapplicable.
And because of that, science cannot distinguish between competing supernatural claims using its own methods. So, in the interests of logical consistency (from the outside, no one creed can occupy a "favored status") the only thing to do is to reject them all.
And that's the problem. The scientific method is a way of minimizing errors--"false positives". But I see no way of correcting for the possibility of rejecting things which may happen to be true, but don't have tangible, TESTABLE evidence behind them. (BTW, the reason this doesn't matter for ordinary everyday events, is that the laws of nature 'guarantee' uniformity, even in those situations where you can't directly test the materials...but again, miracles by definition claim to be exceptions, so this approach is a bad fit.)
Cheers!
Really? Nutritional Science or Behavioral Science?
Which might be the reason for 25¢ beer night at the EM club.
My issue with the stickers still stands however. Many of us who have faith aren't at odds with science. It's unfortunate but a historical fact that many agenda-driven forces have attacked science, sometimes religious in nature, sometimes otherwise. But the scientific community has a great track record (far better than, say, the political community), and I trust them to make corrections whenever presented with verifiable and peer-validated evidence.
If the small-but-vocal minority of fundamentalists would stop attacking evolution, it would no longer be available to anti-religious groups for pummeling religion. And the sooner that happens, the better off we'll ALL be.
RWP, your post 543 is really interesting reading. Thanks.
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