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To: Fester Chugabrew; ml1954
My Savior rode a donkey and gave His life for me. He is the same One who made the heavens and the earth and all that is contained therein, and still sustains them. Therefore I am not worthy to ride a donkey. I am not even worthy to breathe a single breath of life. But you? Since you hold the key to history and know what is best for the education of all the children in our land, I suppose I should wear knee pads and kneel to your noodley ideology. No thanks. You can be the goat and kiss my grits. I know where I'm going, and it ain't on my own account. As for you, I guess you'll have to settle. Have fun.

You should keep doing what you insist on doing. Refuse any knowledge. You should deny all facts and suppress science so everyone can return to the dark ages where all was faith and belief. I don't know the best for all education but I would accept new knowledge. The only accept you allow is your own opinion. It is possible though not likely that your worst nightmare may come true. Someday someone might observe ID or creation as a fact. As a observed fact, whether by a Deity, God, nature or otherwise it will be explained as a observed fact by science. It will become a thing known.

It will not affect science other than greater acceptance of science. However your philosophy and all others will be devastated. Philosophy may cease to exist. All religions vary and in the end only one or none can be correct. The knowledge of science that you refuse to accept will become the religion that you accuse it to be and will be accepted by most.

1,084 posted on 04/06/2006 8:33:12 PM PDT by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: jec41
Why do you think religion will lead back to the dark ages? There may be some on these threads that want to deny science. I think others embrace it, but view it differently. As to the case for a creator, designer, director, planner, overseer, CEO, boss man, builder, source of intelligence, engineer, or whatever name one may choose, those who believe in that don't argue for not accepting science, they argue for the possibility that there was a creator of science, and the nature that it uncovers. I think they are just fighting for open mindedness concerning the evidence. It may very well all point to evolution. Or, it may fit the theory because we are viewing it with that intention. Just a thought there.

As to my attempt at inductive reasoning earlier, it was not my opinion. I stated nothing in it that I did not find from a "secular" science website. That is why I posted the links. But, I was mostly responding to the challenge that it could not be done.

I am very careful about arguing only with opinion. If I express my opinion on these threads, It is generally making note of an observation, and not an attempt to debate. I also usually include a statement to the fact that it is an opinion, or a thought, and is supported by no research. It is merely something to think about. I did this in the above paragraph, as you will note.
1,099 posted on 04/06/2006 9:51:11 PM PDT by Conservative Texan Mom (Some people say I'm stubborn, when it's usually just that I'm right.)
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To: jec41
All religions vary and in the end only one or none can be correct. The knowledge of science that you refuse to accept will become the religion that you accuse it to be and will be accepted by most.

We agree!


 
 

NIV Luke 13:22-28
 22.  Then Jesus went through the towns and villages, teaching as he made his way to Jerusalem.
 23.  Someone asked him, "Lord, are only a few people going to be saved?"   He said to them,
 24.  "Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to.
 25.  Once the owner of the house gets up and closes the door, you will stand outside knocking and pleading, `Sir, open the door for us.'   "But he will answer, `I don't know you or where you come from.'
 26.  "Then you will say, `We ate and drank with you, and you taught in our streets.'
 27.  "But he will reply, `I don't know you or where you come from. Away from me, all you evildoers!'
 28.  "There will be weeping there, and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves thrown out.
 
 

NIV John 14:6
   Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

 

NIV Matthew 7:13
   "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.

1,111 posted on 04/07/2006 4:54:14 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: jec41
You should deny all facts and suppress science so everyone can return to the dark ages where all was faith and belief.

No thanks. I'll leave that to people who indulge sham philosophies as if they are science.

1,126 posted on 04/07/2006 5:23:15 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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