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Anyone watching the press conference about the accidental shooting in Texas?

Posted on 02/13/2006 9:39:43 AM PST by tsmith130

What keeps McCellan from taking off his shoe and throwing it at these people?! I'd last a nanosecond in that job. They keep badgering him about the EXACT time of everything. They're pissing over a few hours!


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To: 1L
Yeah, and your failure to answer proves my point.

No, your believing such shows you really are not being objective here.

This was a MINOR hunting accident.

Sorry, but the Veep is a major elected political figure. Him injuring someone in a hunting accident is a signficant story. For you to insinuate otherwise is absurd.

361 posted on 02/13/2006 11:55:59 AM PST by dirtboy (I'm fat, I sleep most of the winter and I saw my shadow yesterday. Does that make me a groundhog?)
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To: Carolinamom

I thought it was #8 bird. If he got hit in the face and neck with buckshot at 30 yards, he is almost certainly going to be very seriously wounded, much more so than the reports are implying.


362 posted on 02/13/2006 11:56:11 AM PST by CFC__VRWC ("Anytime a liberal squeals in outrage, an angel gets its wings!" - gidget7)
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To: cricket
still hoping for an answer. . .anyone know if Cheney shot the Quail?
363 posted on 02/13/2006 11:56:46 AM PST by cricket (Truth - the first enemy of a Leftist. . .)
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To: beyond the sea
Right!!!!!!!!!!! Bring back ARI!!!

They should have cloned Ari before he left.

That said. . .Scott vs the media is like a boy. . .taking on the mafia. I feel his pain. . .

364 posted on 02/13/2006 11:58:57 AM PST by cricket (Truth - the first enemy of a Leftist. . .)
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To: clawrence3
Correction... McQueen
365 posted on 02/13/2006 11:58:58 AM PST by johnny7 (“Iuventus stultorum magister”)
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To: cricket

me too///


366 posted on 02/13/2006 12:04:18 PM PST by beyond the sea (Let's give them something to talk about............. howaboutlovelovelove?)
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To: JFC
Watching the news conf a second time shows even more how stupid the media has become

Their arrogance is beginning to have an aroma. . .

. . .and they cannot help but betray themselves. They are a pathetic and outrageous reminder of what America's 'free press' has become.

367 posted on 02/13/2006 12:05:07 PM PST by cricket (Truth - the first enemy of a Leftist. . .)
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To: BluH2o

I completely agree about McClellan looking weak... but I've heard that he has a history with Bush and that he was awarded this job. No one can say that they can't find anyone better...


368 posted on 02/13/2006 12:07:23 PM PST by ruschpa
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To: newnhdad

This press conference has turned into a farce. Beam me out of here Scotty.


369 posted on 02/13/2006 12:08:13 PM PST by defenderSD (¤¤ If ecoterrorists attack my SUV, I'll taser them. ¤¤)
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To: Carolinamom
“Can I get me a hunting license around here?” -Kerry 'Ohio-Speak'

“Is it feasable for me to procure the neccessary documentation for wildlife-management in this establishment?” -Kerry 'Massachusetts-Speak'

370 posted on 02/13/2006 12:09:50 PM PST by johnny7 (“Iuventus stultorum magister”)
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To: dirtboy
BRAVO, to each and every one of your posts.

I am only about half way through the thread, but I can't believe that other Freepers are blasting you on your opinion.

THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES ACCIDENTLY SHOT A MAN

How is this not major news? I think the press are acting like idiots, but if there is one major flaw within this administration, it is PR ineptitude! How many times have we complained about their lack of response time? I can think of a few examples. This is may not be the case, but it does look like the WH was stalling. I don't think it was because of the Sunday talk shows, or anything stupid like that. I (this is only my speculation) think that the man that was shot, was probably more medically unstable than what we are being told. I don't know if it was from his injuries, or maybe a preexisting condition, but let's face it, you aren't put in ICU for "flesh wounds", unless their is something else in your body system that is going on.

My scenario goes something like this, (again speculation only) 1) VP Cheney sprays a man with birdshot, 2) He is rushed to nearest hospital, where at the time his condition is unstable 3) AFTER his condition stabilizes (the next day), the VP then gives permission for disclosure.

I don't think this was done maliciously, but under an abundance of caution. They wanted to make sure they could say the man was going to be OK, before they spoke to the press, but in my mind it was a poor decision. If Scott's timeline was correct, this would fit everything perfectly.

Flame away, I am not posting and running, I will be back later to respond.

Once again, BRAVO dirtboy!!!!!!!!!!!!!

371 posted on 02/13/2006 12:12:36 PM PST by codercpc
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To: codercpc
We simply disagree on newsworthiness:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1577718/posts
372 posted on 02/13/2006 12:14:17 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: codercpc
I think the press are acting like idiots,

I think that's part of the problem here. We're so used to the incessant press attacks on the Admin that we tend to immediately counter them, since just about all of them are groundless - but sometimes there is a basis and we should be careful not to defend just for the sake of defending. Sometimes a few lumps are in order, if anything to knock some sense into the Bush Admin regarding their weak spots.

In this case, I think the White House screwed up in taking so long to release the news - it creates the impression that there was something to hide. Like you said, they don't seem to understand how to manage the press cycle.

But this was a major story - thanks for the kind words.

373 posted on 02/13/2006 12:16:58 PM PST by dirtboy (I'm fat, I sleep most of the winter and I saw my shadow yesterday. Does that make me a groundhog?)
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To: NautiNurse

Hannity about to play press conference clips after the break.


374 posted on 02/13/2006 12:18:03 PM PST by CedarDave (Vietnam Vet, USN Coastal Div. 13, Cat Lo, USCG patrol boat, 1968: Didn't see Kerry's sorry ass.)
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To: tsmith130

A few points to cover for general information before things get too far off tilt..

TEXAS HUNTER EDUCATION:
Every hunter (including out-of-state hunters) born on or after Sept. 2, 1971, must successfully complete a Hunter Education Training Course.
DICK CHENEY EXEMPT FROM HUNTER EDUCATION REQUIREMENT IN TEXAS

TEXAS BLAZE ORANGE LAWS
All persons on public hunting lands (state, national forests, and grasslands) during daylight hours when hunting with firearms is permitted must wear at least 400 square inches of hunter orange material with orange headgear, and at least 144 square inches appearing on both chest and back.

Exempt from these requirements are:
persons hunting turkey, migratory birds, alligators, or desert bighorn sheep;
persons within the enclosed passenger compartment of a motor vehicle; or
persons within a designated campground, designated vehicle parking area, designated boat launching facility, or departmental check station.
ALL MEMBERS OF THE PARTY WERE REPORTED TO BE WEARING "HUNTER ORANGE".



From a personal side... You hunt quail with small shot - 7 - 7 1/2 - 8 size, very small. Any larger that 7 (6-5-4 = duck) and you tear up the bird too badly. "BB" size.. - you are talking about geese. Would never be used on a quail.

FWIW..


375 posted on 02/13/2006 12:19:39 PM PST by UPcrawfish
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To: newnhdad

I'm going to take a wild-assed guess and say number #9 birdshot. Those shot are .09" in size @ 585 per ounce. That's a fat pencil point. Cheney reportedly was using a 28 Gauge shotgun. The shootee was reportedly 30 yards away. At that range clothing should have stopped some of them.


376 posted on 02/13/2006 12:21:39 PM PST by Belasarius (Yet man is born unto trouble, as the sparks fly upward. Job 5:2-7)
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To: UPcrawfish

The arrogant know-nothing press have made themselves the story now.


377 posted on 02/13/2006 12:22:19 PM PST by Carolinamom (I don't believe in a government that protects us from ourselves. ---Ronald Reagan)
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To: dirtboy

Seriously, 18 hours OVER A WEEKEND is "so long"?! I was just joking above, but now I really want to know your opinion - if something similar happened at midnight and the press release was released first thing 9:00 a.m., would that be "so long"?


378 posted on 02/13/2006 12:23:25 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: dirtboy

As much as I despise the MSM... I have to agree this was probably poorly handled by Cheney's media team. This was bound to get out. Why not release it earlier?


379 posted on 02/13/2006 12:26:33 PM PST by ruschpa
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To: clawrence3
Seriously, 18 hours OVER A WEEKEND is "so long"?!

Yes, it is. It is a major story when the Vice President of the United States is involved in an accidental shooting. News cycles nowadays run on minutes, not hours.

The only reason for any delay in issuing a press release would be to wait until Whittington's family is notified and he makes it to the hospital, and to notify the local police that the newshogs might be descending in force so they can start to get ready. That takes what, four to six hours? At the very latest, release it first thing the next morning.

In another article, it is claimed that Cheney wanted the ranch owner to go public with the story. That is nuts. Cheney is part of the White House. They have top PR professionals, or at least should. They should be the ones on top of the news cycle here.

380 posted on 02/13/2006 12:28:39 PM PST by dirtboy (I'm fat, I sleep most of the winter and I saw my shadow yesterday. Does that make me a groundhog?)
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