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Intelligent Design case decided - Dover, Pennsylvania, School Board loses [Fox News Alert]
Fox News | 12/20/05

Posted on 12/20/2005 7:54:38 AM PST by snarks_when_bored

Fox News alert a few minutes ago says the Dover School Board lost their bid to have Intelligent Design introduced into high school biology classes. The federal judge ruled that their case was based on the premise that Darwin's Theory of Evolution was incompatible with religion, and that this premise is false.


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KEYWORDS: biology; creation; crevolist; dover; education; evolution; intelligentdesign; keywordpolice; ruling; scienceeducation
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To: Ace of Spades

You have your fairy tales, I have mine.


201 posted on 12/20/2005 9:02:33 AM PST by Sybeck1 (Dr. Adrian Rogers, September 12, 1931 - November 15, 2005)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
There are plenty of creation myths that could be taught...

I think myth is trying to explain how the world came into existence without some supernatural element. No matter what theory you look at, eventually you get back to something that can't be explained without creation.

The big bang theory starts with the notion of a cosmic explosion that caused matter to be hurled in all directions. So then, under this theory, the question becomes how did the original matter come into existence?

202 posted on 12/20/2005 9:02:50 AM PST by Anti-MSM (Conservatives wish 9/11 never happened-liberals pretend it didn't!)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

Atheism is now our official religion. The black-robed high priests have declared it so.


203 posted on 12/20/2005 9:02:54 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum.)
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To: Sybeck1
Thank God for private schools.

If you want science to be subservient to a political agenda, then yes. You'd probably be happier finding a public school that will do just that.

Funny, conservatives usually hate PC. But when it comes to this particular dogma, many are happy to adopt it for themselves.

204 posted on 12/20/2005 9:03:21 AM PST by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Right Wing Professor

Thanks for the link.


205 posted on 12/20/2005 9:03:43 AM PST by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
Judge apparently believes atheistic science is the only kind of science,

You've been here long enough to know that your statement isn't true. Many faithful people accept evolution, like, say, the entire Catholic Church.

So the question is, do you not understand the meaning of "truth"? Or can you just not remember what you learned before today?

206 posted on 12/20/2005 9:03:47 AM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: plewis1250

"You have to have FAITH in order for that theory to hold any shred of truth. No evidence exists for it, never has, and in my view, it never will."

Horse manure. Your unwillingness to examine the overwhelming evidence in now way demonstrates there is not evidence. Evolution is one of the best supported theories in the history is science.


207 posted on 12/20/2005 9:03:47 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: wolf24

"People often assert that the theory of evolution has been scientifically proven as true. "

Actually, the only people asserting that are creationists who SAY that evolution scientist claim this. The reality is that scientists actually KNOW the definition of "theory" and would never make such a stupid assertion.

I see now that you are attempting to draw folks into some sort of discussion, but you are doing it on false premises. No serious evolutionary scientist would ever assert that the theory of evolutions has been proven. That sort of comment is reserved for those who lie about evolution.


208 posted on 12/20/2005 9:04:22 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Anti-MSM

"The big bang theory starts with the notion of a cosmic explosion that caused matter to be hurled in all directions."

Actually, it wasn't an explosion but the expansion of the universe.

BTW, the Big Bang has nothing to do with the Theory of Evolution.


209 posted on 12/20/2005 9:05:25 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
ID isn't a competing theory. It's a philosophical position, not a scientific one. Science class should only have scientific theories.

I think creation as specifically taught in the Bible is an issue of faith. However, no matter what "scientific" theory you look at, eventually you get back to something that can't be explained without creation.

The big bang theory starts with the notion of a cosmic explosion that caused matter to be hurled in all directions. So then, under this theory, the question becomes how did the original matter come into existence?

210 posted on 12/20/2005 9:05:30 AM PST by Anti-MSM (Conservatives wish 9/11 never happened-liberals pretend it didn't!)
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To: Physicist

Oh, I agree.

I believe his point was the old why-haven't-all-the-current-monkeys-left-the jungle and start driving Volvos canard.

Mine was a short-hand response to that. Sorry.


211 posted on 12/20/2005 9:05:47 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: narby

He's been redefining words for so long here truth could mean anything.


212 posted on 12/20/2005 9:06:20 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: snarks_when_bored
Well, I wonder how it would have gone if the referendum were rephrased as "Allah may have created the world."?
213 posted on 12/20/2005 9:06:28 AM PST by SteveSpeaking
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To: snarks_when_bored

I simply do not understand why both sides of the debate seem to want to rob kids of this very interesting discussion! Look at all the posts these threads always generate, it's an interesting subject! Let teachers lead classroom discussion of these ideas.

This was very easily handled in every high school science class I ever had in public school by my teachers: "Here's the theory of evolution... Some people think natural selection guides these changes, some people think God does... What do you think? Discuss!"


214 posted on 12/20/2005 9:06:32 AM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: em2vn
The fossil history is non-existent as are any examples of current evolution.

That may sound good, but is simply not true. We see evolution in action among elephant populations in Asia right now.

Elephants are being hunted for their tusks. Elephants born without tusks, generally at a disadvantage in finding food, are surviving to breed in higher numbers. The tuskless elephants are better suited to their environment, and as a result the population is becoming more and more dominated by tuskless elephants.

Predation is an important part of natural selection. It is through this particular predation that we have an example of "current evolution".

215 posted on 12/20/2005 9:06:44 AM PST by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
The Bible also says there are evenings and mornings. We better stop teaching THAT in science classrooms, since the judge seemed to say that proof of ID would not make it teachable.

Sounds like a post from a sore loserman.

216 posted on 12/20/2005 9:06:54 AM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: em2vn

"The core theory of evolution is that the progress of all life began with the "Big Bang"."

The big bang and evolution have nothing in common and are related in no way.

Darwin's theory of natural selection starts with existing life. It does not delve into the origin or life, and certainly not the origin of the universe.


217 posted on 12/20/2005 9:07:38 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: Anti-MSM

"However, no matter what "scientific" theory you look at, eventually you get back to something that can't be explained without creation."

No you don't.

"The big bang theory starts with the notion of a cosmic explosion that caused matter to be hurled in all directions."

No it doesn't. The Big Bang has nothing to do with evolution.

" So then, under this theory, the question becomes how did the original matter come into existence?"

It's not possible to know. Scientists are humble enough to say they simply don't know.


218 posted on 12/20/2005 9:08:29 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: CharlesWayneCT

There is nothing known of evolution that would be incompatible with the notion that God created the entire universe Last Thursday, but there's no scientific evidence to support the notion.


219 posted on 12/20/2005 9:08:31 AM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Actually, it wasn't an explosion but the expansion of the universe.

The point is still the same....how did the universe come into existence?

BTW, the Big Bang has nothing to do with the Theory of Evolution.

I know that, but the point is valid for both theories. If creatures evolved, what did they evolve from? What was the very first thing under the evolution theory and how did it come into existence?

220 posted on 12/20/2005 9:09:03 AM PST by Anti-MSM (Conservatives wish 9/11 never happened-liberals pretend it didn't!)
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