Intelligent Design case decided - Dover, Pennsylvania, School Board loses [Fox News Alert]

Fox News | 12/20/05

[snarks_when_bored]

Fox News alert a few minutes ago says the Dover School Board lost their bid to have Intelligent Design introduced into high school biology classes. The federal judge ruled that their case was based on the premise that Darwin's Theory of Evolution was incompatible with religion, and that this premise is false.

[Oztrich Boy]

The Darwin THEORY and the Intelligent Design THEORY!

And the Yakub THEORY and the Xemu THEORY

[narby]

The intelligent designer can be a phenomenon or a process or a sentient being. It simply requires a +factor that can take products of lesser complexity and build them into products of exponential complexity in the available time.

Oh. I get it. ID is evolution, since it can, and does, accumulate information and complexity over the time since the earth accreted.

[aNYCguy]

So if archeologists discovered many of the sites, names and history that was written in the bible would that just make it a coincidence?

Eh? Mythology often contains elements of historical truth. You're setting up a rather bizarre false dichotomy.

[Baraonda]

"You were asked to support your claim that evolution is not science"

Can you prove I do not exist?

[Quark2005]

Stalin loved it and implemented Darwin's ideology into his plans... so did hitler. Marx thought the world of Darwin.

Before blaming the woes of the world on evolutionists it might pay to remember that the Pharisees, who handed over Christ for execution, were creationists and Biblical literalists. Funny that you fail to mention that side of the coin.

[Dimensio]

Can you prove I do not exist?

Non-sequitur. You have no rational arguments, you only lie.

[narby]

Darwin was in fact a misanthrope. Duplicitous and opportunistic...like his heirs here.

If I could spell ad hominem, then I'd say that that's all you've got.

[js1138]

You are a ringer, arent you?

[Dimensio]

Mythology often contains elements of historical truth. You're setting up a rather bizarre false dichotomy.

Nonsense. And the discovery of the city of Troy proves that Zeus exists.

[benjibrowder]

I fail to see the relation, and needless to say, I believe such a usage to be insulting.

[Fester Chugabrew]

But they all appeal to the super natural . . .

Exactly how does organized matter, intelligence, and design, "appeal to the supernatural?" Granted, many religions posit God as Creator and Sustainer of the universe. That only means intelligent design happens to be compatible with a religious understanding, and yes, that compatibily easily extends to a specifically Christian point of view. So what?

[Dimensio]

They aren't lying. They're just testifying inconsistently.

Is that legalese for "misspeaking"?

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"Godwin Law."

I certainly wasn't the one bringing up Hitler, Stalin, and Marx.

[narby]

Aren't the people of Dover, PA smart enough to figure this issue out??

Huh, yeah. That's why the entire Dover school board that did this idiotic ID thing was defeated in the last election.

[jbloedow]

I've never seen anyone on the evolution side ever tell a creationist to do their own research without at least providing a starting point for the research. You didn't even offer that much.

Well at least you've revised your claim to incorporate some of my corrections. Nevertheless, your assertion once again is flat out false. Go back and look at the posts. I know you think things will become true just be re-repeating them, but they will not. If I was a rabid FR evolutionist, I'd accuse you of lying.

Interesting that you claim exactly this sort of behaviour about us. Kind of reminds of Clinton's tactic of taking whatever scandalous tactic he was using and pre-emptively accusing the Republicans of doing this. I'm sure it's just a coincidence though...

[Thatcherite]

I believe such a usage to be insulting.

Curious. Why exactly?

[RogueIsland]

It exists in the several thousand Endogenous Retro Virus DNA sequences that co-exist in genomes of these various species. ERV viruses insert their DNA into host DNA in random places, and on very rare events, that viral DNA is passed down to descendents. When we find such sequences in more than one species, it is proof that a single individual got a virus millions of years ago, and passed it to both species via evolution.

Not to mention that in most cases the ERV data perfectly mirrored the phylogenetic trees established from other lines of evidence before ERV analysis was even possible.

[andysandmikesmom]

Or as my mom would say, 'Fudging the truth'...there are all kinds of little euphemisms for lying...

[MindBender26]

Trust me, get back on the Thorazine!

[Antonello]

Oh my. I hadn't noticed until now that connectthedots was missing out on this, the very thread he has been waiting for!

connectthedots, I sincerely enjoy your discussions and hope you do make an appearance.