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The article says that the Templeton Foundation gave them a few grants for conferences and courses to debate intelligent design, but then asked for research proposals, and nothing came in. It hasn't caught on even in Christian colleges, because it has no explanatory power. Several faculty from such colleges are quoted as saying it doesn't belong in science class. And the biggest blow -- the Dover verdict -- is yet to fall.

Sounds like you can stick a fork in ID, because it's done.

1 posted on 12/03/2005 5:28:46 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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More a death knell than a ping.


2 posted on 12/03/2005 5:29:41 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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I'm glad to see you consider the New York Times to be a reputable source on this or any other topic.

Like you, they are desperate not to lose Darwin's exclusive monopoly on our school children.

Funny that those who are interested in ID are perfectly happy to have Darwin taught in the schools, but Darwinists simply can't brook any competition.


3 posted on 12/03/2005 5:32:26 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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An obituary from the NYT - and just wishful thinking.

Darwin converted few scientists of his generation. It will be the same with ID. The Darwinian fundamentalist profs won't convert - but the next generation already has.

Darwinian fundamentalism - you can stick a fork in it.


4 posted on 12/03/2005 5:33:16 PM PST by Liberty1970
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ID is as phony as the ID I had as a college frosh.


5 posted on 12/03/2005 5:33:25 PM PST by Senator Pardek
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Wow. From the NYT. I'm impressed.


6 posted on 12/03/2005 5:34:15 PM PST by manwiththehands (Democrats and the MSM: lies and hypocrisy on steroids)
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Donkeys Can Talk, People Can Fly, And A Man Named Jesus Lives Up In The Sky!


7 posted on 12/03/2005 5:36:07 PM PST by peyton randolph (Warning! It is illegal to fatwah a camel in all 50 states)
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It has gained little support among the academics who should have been its natural allies.

Well, of course not. You would have to be intelligent to understand intelligent design and liberal leaning academies require all inductees to check their brains at the door.

"Shut up und drink ze koolade!"

8 posted on 12/03/2005 5:36:32 PM PST by Juan Medén
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YEC INTREP


10 posted on 12/03/2005 5:38:26 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America)
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A triumph of bigotry over honest, thoughtful science?

You'll do your damnedest.

11 posted on 12/03/2005 5:38:29 PM PST by JCEccles
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13 posted on 12/03/2005 5:40:03 PM PST by ThreePuttinDude ()......Politically incorrect by Intelligent Design........()
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Sounds like you can stick a fork in ID, because it's done.

Never fear, it'll morph into something with a new name, a few more bells and whistles, a little better window dressing and camouflage, and they'll trot her out again like she's a debutante at the coming out ball, instead of the tired old tarted-up hag she really is.

16 posted on 12/03/2005 5:45:08 PM PST by longshadow
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to tell you the truth, I'm partial to all out creationism myself. Call it like it is "God created the world"
I've never heard any other explanation that makes sense.


19 posted on 12/03/2005 5:52:15 PM PST by whispering out loud (the bible is either 100% true, or in it's very nature it is 100% a lie)
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Well, I'm not a big pusher of ID because I homeschool and teach my children Biblical truth. But don't gloat so quickly, my Godless friend. ID, I think, was only developed to demonstrate the weakness of Darwinism. And in that, it has succeeded brilliantly. It's proponents have shown that the same attacks on it (it's not really science because it's not falsifiable, it's a philosophy rather than science, etc.) also apply to evolution. You may think you are winning, but I believe you have already lost.

And, BTW, our homeschool has Darwin as required reading. We're not afraid of the debate.

Let the name-calling begin . . .

21 posted on 12/03/2005 5:52:32 PM PST by Timmy
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ID came about from research done in the EU and the US by atheists who, when they found out some formulas, were branded religionists. Check the work by D'Ambricour

Also called Evolution through Stochastic processes with strange attractor.

The weather, trees and everything in nature obtains its order from such differential equations...but also evolutive patterns seem to be preprogrammed


23 posted on 12/03/2005 5:54:18 PM PST by JudgemAll (Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
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Good. That which kills ID will only make conservatism stronger.


24 posted on 12/03/2005 5:55:36 PM PST by RightWingAtheist (Free the Crevo Three!)
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Sounds like you can stick a fork in ID, because it's done.

It never even got into the oven among the scientific community. For once in my life the MSM may be an ally (it makes me sick, BTW). By painting ID for what it is, it may get the movers and shakers in the GOP to quitely walk away from it. At least that's what I hope.

30 posted on 12/03/2005 5:59:10 PM PST by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads)
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The most disturbing aspect about this debate is the rabid desire of evolution proponents to ridicule and otherwise attempt to marginalize those who would dare to question them.


33 posted on 12/03/2005 6:01:23 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl (OMGIIHIHOIIC ping list)
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Dear "Right Wing Professor,"

Intelligent Design is a good as proven, and anyone with any common sense knows it. But "professors" are notorious for lacking common sense.

The simplest living cell is perhaps more complicated than all of man's technology, yet you believe that it fell together by random chance. And based on what evidence? People who don't have a clue about combinatorics tout "billions of years," not realizing that it is about 1000 orders of magnitude too little. If you wish to educate yourself on the matter, I recommend you start with Lee Spetner's book, Not By Chance.

I am amazed that someone who calls himself "Right Wing Professor" could fail to realize that he is doing the work of the Left Wing. The Left just loves to ridicule ID and its believers because it plays right into their grand strategy for world domination. If and when they take control, they will owe no small debt of gratitude to fools on the Right who are playing right into their game plan. Have a nice day.


34 posted on 12/03/2005 6:02:22 PM PST by RussP
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It has gained little support among the academics who should have been its natural allies.

This is a ridicules assumption.

39 posted on 12/03/2005 6:07:07 PM PST by Jeff Gordon (Lt. Gen. Russel Honore to MSM: "You are stuck on stupid. Over.")
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True. ID doesn't belong in science class. Why? Because it doesn't adhere to scientific method.


43 posted on 12/03/2005 6:09:38 PM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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