Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 16

Duh!!!

Geesh oh pete, what's it going to take?

Lucy here's a little history on Aruba's oil refineries. I also included the last part about tourism. Valero isn't mentioned in this history, but they now own a refinery there. At the bottom I've included a link and info on when they acquired the refinery.
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In 1928 Royal Dutch Shell built the Eagle oil refinery and this was immediately followed by a refinery built by Lago Oil and Transport Company Ltd. in San Nicolas. Royal Dutch Shell ceased its operations in 1953, after serving as a depot for both refineries during the second world war. In 1932, the Standard Oil Company of New Jersey (Esso, now known as Exxon) took over the Lago refinery. The refinery employed well over 8,000 people, 16% of Aruba’s population, and up until the 70’s was one of the largest in the world.

The Refinery
at San Nicolaas

On March 31, 1985, Exxon, pressured by a global oversupply, closed the refinery but it was reopened by the Coastal Oil Company of Houston, Texas on April 20,1991.

Within three decades Aruba became an island with probably the highest standard of living in the West Indies. The illiteracy rate, for example, is exceptionally low. Today tourism has become the major factor in the island's economy with many major hotel chains setting up in Aruba. In just a few short years, Aruba has become one of the most popular vacation spots in the Caribbean, with visitor figures approaching a million annually.

http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/general/history.html

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Info on Valero:

Overview
Acquired in March 2004, the Aruba refinery is the newest addition to the Valero refining network.

http://www.valero.com/Visit+Our+Refineries/Aruba

Compare these two statements.
Then place your bets.

Jossy:
Oh yes, I know the police are back to square one. They re-investigated the whole thing, reread everything and are certain because of admissions gave during interrogations. All three admitted having sexual assaults on
the girl.
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Dompig:
All suspects denied having sex with Natalee in statements to ALE.

From Skeeters' email:

Also, a few "doubters" are saying that the tape is "doctored" and it's not Deepak talking on the tapes. Apparently they haven't been told that the tapes are "Video" tapes not just recording tapes. I even think the they don't realize that even in Aruba.

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Skeeters verified the tapes as video tapes on Rita Cosby's show.
Seems to me Dompig shouldn't have much problem verifying these VIDEO tapes.

Aruban police say new tapes could spur arrests
Police official tells 'Abrams Report' about latest in the Holloway case

Aruba Update
Oct. 12: Dan Abrams speaks with the new deputy chief of police in Aruba, Gerald Dompig, about the ongoing investigation into Natalee HollowayÂ’s disappearance.
MSNBC

TRANSCRIPT
Updated: 9:14 p.m. ET Oct. 12, 2005

Dan Abrams
Host, 'The Abrams Report'

With nobody in custody in Aruba, it has been a quiet month in the case of missing Alabama teen Natalie Holloway. However, recent statements by former person of interest Deepak Kalpoe talking about his and his friends' interactions with Holloway on the night the girl disappeared, have some wondering whether there may be more arrests on the horizon.

Gerald Dompig, the deputy chief of police in Aruba, joined MSNBC's Dan Abrams on Wednesday to discuss the status of the case.

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DAN ABRAMS, MSNBC HOST: Chief Dompig, thank you very much for taking the time to come on the program. We appreciate it. Let me first ask you, are you re-interviewing Deepak Kalpoe, as a result of the audiotape?

GERALD DOMPIG, ARUBAN DEPUTY CHIEF OF POLICE: At this moment, not yet. We have requested, as you know, the official tapes, or the original tapes. ... I don't know if I can (call) it a misunderstanding, but the first reaction we got through the lawyer of the family was that we could only get the tapes from the Dr. Phil show if we went on the show, and that was not going to happen.

We want to solve the case. We don't want to be part of a show. And as a result of that, I have received a call from the gentleman, Skeeters, yesterday...

ABRAMS: He's the one who actually asked the questions on the tape.

DOMPIG: Exactly. Exactly. The ex-police chief, I think. And we had a very good conversation for quite a while. And I have explained to him, from one chief to another chief, that this is very important to us and that we really wanted him to hand over the tapes to us as soon as possible.

ABRAMS: And he is going to do that now?

DOMPIG: He is working on it ... you could say that the glitch was that -- I understood that the producer of the company of the "Dr. Phil Show" wasn't pleased because they said that they didn't -- they never put any conditions on it. But we were informed differently.

But that's not the issue right now. More important is to me that we do get the tapes as soon as possible. ... Because I assure you that, if these tapes are legitimate, it could turn around the case.

ABRAMS: Why is that? Is what he says on that tape inconsistent with what he said in interviews with the police?

DOMPIG: Absolutely. Absolutely. They always denied having sex with this young girl. And so, in looking at the tapes, to watch if this is really what this gentleman has said, then it is totally contrary to what he has declared at our police station.

ABRAMS: So, if those tapes are verified by you, are you going to re-arrest Deepak Kalpoe?

DOMPIG: Of course, that's one of the strong possibilities. Don't forget that we do have to follow tactical issues and strategies.

The issue, also, is that, in Aruba, we don't know the plea bargains. It's not allowed within our system. So we do have to follow different rules and regulations.

But I assure you that, once this is verified, and if it's legitimate, the case will turn around fully. And it will be for us absolutely enough new information to talk once more to this young man, or, as a matter of fact, with maybe to all three.

ABRAMS: So what would you do -- let's again assume that you're able to verify this tape. Joran Van Der Sloot is living in the Netherlands right now. Would you demand that he return?

DOMPIG: That's a possibility. We will have to go through the judge of instruction, of course, for every new activity which you could say basically is evasive for whatever reasons, because people have constitutional rights.

If we want to do searches and we want to arrest people within a case like this, we do have to go to a judge.

ABRAMS: So let's be clear. Up to this point, Deepak Kalpoe has denied having had sex with Natalee that night?

DOMPIG: That's correct.

ABRAMS: What about the other suspect, Joran Van Der Sloot for example? Did he deny repeatedly that he ever had sex with Natalee that night?

DOMPIG: They all denied. And I'm glad you asked you that question, because there's also some rumors going around from I think part of the family that Joran supposedly declared in one of his statements that he had sex with this girl in his home or his apartment.

ABRAMS: Yes.

DOMPIG: There's no mention nowhere in the statements of that.

ABRAMS: Let me let you listen to this from Beth Twitty. And then I want you to respond.

DOMPIG: OK.

-- Begin video clip --
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: I've seen several of Joran's statements. And I don't know why he was released. He has her coming in and out of consciousness repeatedly throughout his statements. You know, he admits to bringing her to his home. And he even gives a date and a time, 1:40 a.m. on May the 30th, and, you know, has sex with her in his home.
-- End video clip --

ABRAMS: So you're saying that that is simply not true?

DOMPIG: Not true. As I said earlier, also, we are re-reading all the statements at this moment. And there's no statement of that kind.

The only statement that comes close is that he had a plan -- he wanted to go to the house to have sex or whatever, and they stopped in front of the house, but they did not leave the car. So they didn't go into the house. That's his statement.

And I think that maybe somewhere, somehow Beth saw the statement -- it was translated, or she didn't get the statement completely the way it is. But I assure you this is the statement.

ABRAMS: We have heard from official statements from the authorities in Aruba that Joran Van Der Sloot made inconsistent statements. True?

DOMPIG: That is correct.

ABRAMS: What were they inconsistent about?

DOMPIG: Well, it would take me, I think, a little over two days to go over all the inconsistencies. None of the stories match up, let me put it that way. So when it comes to believing this individual, we know in which category to place him.

ABRAMS: All right. But when you say that none of the statements match up, he never admitted to having sex with Natalee, correct?

DOMPIG: No.

ABRAMS: He never admitted to killing Natalee or knowing what happened to Natalee, correct?

DOMPIG: No.

ABRAMS: The inconsistencies were, when was he on the beach with her, did they go back to his house, et cetera?

DOMPIG: Exactly, details.

ABRAMS: Was there a major detail he was inconsistent about?

DOMPIG: I can't comment on that, because talking about that would really also expose future strategies and tactics we have.

ABRAMS: All right. Fair enough. What about the brothers? I mean, we talked a little bit about Deepak. Were their statements inconsistent, in terms of what they said happened?

DOMPIG: That is correct.

ABRAMS: Your office and many of the authorities in Aruba have have been criticized for not arresting all three of them very early on, people criticizing you for waiting 10-something days to finally arrest them, saying the evidence was destroyed, et cetera. What's your response to that?

DOMPIG: Well, let me explain -- try to explain shortly. First of all, our systems of criminal law are different. In the United States, as I did a couple of trainings at the FBI with the FBI, it is -- I know that they have plea bargaining.

If this would have happened in the states, you'd probably arrest all three, see which one is the weakest, and try to cut a deal with him. And that's the way it's done in your country.

We don't have that plea bargain tool in our system. So we have to follow different rules. That's one.

The second thing is that these boys, they were seen last with Natalee. But they had a clean slate. They didn't have any criminal activities in their past. So, as you would say, they didn't have a rap sheet. So there wasn't any reason to think that their first story wasn't right or something -- or there was foul play or whatever.

Thirdly, don't forget that we have very soon, within the window frame of eight, nine days, we started to monitor them, meaning that sometimes choosing the moment of arresting depends on whether you think that you have monitored enough or that you want to monitor a little further.

ABRAMS: Right.

DOMPIG: So, without really going into specific details, I'm just trying to explain to you that the moment of arrest doesn't really say anything about the fact that we-what we thought of them, or what we planned, or even what we knew of them.

So, although it was a bit mind-bothering to the outsides, looking at us from the outside in, I can assure that this was carefully looked at by the prosecutor's office, by the investigating team. At that time, with the information that we had to our disposal, at that time, it was not wise, in our opinion, at that time, to arrest them very early.

ABRAMS: Do you think that you made any mistakes in the context of this investigation?

DOMPIG: Of course. In any investigation, after the fact ... you're second-guessing each other within a team...

ABRAMS: Specifically, what do you think that you should have done differently?

DOMPIG: Oh, well, sometimes you talk to people and you categorize their information in a certain category and later on you feel that maybe you have used the wrong category and given it the wrong priority. Those kind of things. So those are always judgment calls. ... But in any team, all over the world, colleagues within a team sometimes second-guess each other. That's police work.

ABRAMS: Do you believe that Joran, Deepak and Satish were involved in Natalee's disappearance?

DOMPIG: Well, at this time, I think that all three persons know something that they are not telling, at least not telling us.

ABRAMS: Something about her disappearance?

DOMPIG: Exactly. And I go by the rule of thumb that, in the first 40 days -- as I said in a different program -- the first 40 days, law enforcement has probably also already spoken to the perpetrators.

So we feel strongly that we have already spoken to them. And there's no one else outside this group that could be involved or responsible.

So sometimes people will ask us that, "Are you not tunnel-visioned? Maybe you should look at other possibilities." Of course. We did that. But we still feel that, every time you go on a path, a different path, that path leads back, comes back to these three boys.

ABRAMS: So you, again, have no other even possible suspects in connection with this case?

DOMPIG: At this time, no.

ABRAMS: And you don't expect to find anyone, do you?

DOMPIG: To tell you the truth, that's just from -- sometimes it's a gut feeling, as an investigator. I do not think so.

ABRAMS: Do you expect that, at some point in the relatively near future, that the three of them will be under arrest again?

DOMPIG: Well, it's very difficult to answer, but let me tell you this. If these boys are guilty of harming this girl, I need them to be behind bars as soon as possible.

ABRAMS: Has the pressure from the outside been hard for you to deal with, I mean, the criticism, the second-guessing, et cetera?

DOMPIG: Yes, because, when you're investigating a case, any criminal case, you have to abide by the law, you have to make a lot of judgment calls, and you have to try to stay focused on the facts, while everybody around you is very emotional, and the family, friends, and even the press.

But it's hard to stay focused. And it's hard to stay with the facts. Because, at the end of the day, only the facts will come in front of a judge.

ABRAMS: Let me ask you about the father of Joran. He was under arrest for a brief period of time before a judge released him. Do you think that he knows something?

DOMPIG: Well, he is, has been, and still is a person of interest. And I wouldn't like to say more than that at this time.

ABRAMS: But let's be clear. A person of interest in connection with Natalee's disappearance ... or in connection with something after the fact?

DOMPIG: Both.

ABRAMS: Finally, let me let you hear this -- another piece of sound from Beth Holloway Twitty, talking about a statement that she gave to the authorities that she seems very concerned about. And I want to give you a chance to respond.

Here's what she said on September 4.

--Begin video clip --
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: I gave a statement to a detective on June 1, and of course they're printed in Dutch and translated into English for me, and I signed it. Well, that same day the same detective brought me another statement and asked me to sign it because they had to change a date. And I did. Well I just found out a week ago, Dan, that it's not my statement. It had been altered greatly.

So, it's just hard to tell -- what all has happened since the beginning has just been unbelievable.
-- End video clip --

ABRAMS: What's your response to that?

DOMPIG: Well, really, it might sound strange, but I have to look into that. This is the first time I heard this. So I have to look into it.

But normally, people sign statements, and it has to be translated, they're not sure, or they want to change something. I don't know what happened in this instance, so I don't feel comfortable giving a response. But I think that, if anything happened that is not normal, we should look at it. But that's the only thing I can say right now. It's the first time I hear about it.

ABRAMS: And bottom line is, you think that the American people, the people who've come to care about Natalee, should feel confident in the work that your police department has been doing.

DOMPIG: Absolutely, absolutely. I told a press person here in Aruba the third day after Natalee went missing that Americans have been coming to Aruba over decades, and they are not just tourists anymore to us. They have become like family. So when something like this happens, it becomes personal because these things don't happen every day in Aruba. Aruba is a very safe island, and so when this happens, this hurts everybody.

As a matter of fact, when I go home every day, the first thing my wife asks me is, Have you guys found her? So it has become personal and I guarantee you that we would like to have the case solved yesterday.

Morning CO,
"Ask and ye shall receive, seek and ye shall find, knock at the door and it shall be opened"

Go knock at the door of the whitehouse and you will be informed, kissing muslims asses, rewarding anarchists in NOLA, giving away American tax dollars in aid to Pakastain is the present ultimate priority.

Seeking justice and the successful prosecution of four POS dutch/surpianese does not merit our elected learders time.

Well Hush My Mouth, I think I hit the truth on the head. The "Gipper" took care of America and Americans.

Wishing you the best CO,
NSNR-CSAOTL

The refinery on Aruba that we've heard about is Valero. The columbian necktie murder was a Valero employee.

(Dompig) "The only statement that comes close is that he had a plan -- he wanted to go to the house to have sex or whatever, and they stopped in front of the house, but they did not leave the car. So they didn't go into the house. That's his statement."

I NEVER heard anything even resembling this before!

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'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Oct. 12th
Read the transcript to the Wednesday show
Updated: 11:04 p.m. ET Oct. 12, 2005

Guests: Jamie Skeeters, Tom Loesch, Dave Holloway, Jim Nolan, Vito Colucci, Sandy Chasm, Danny Jenkins, Jeffery Forbes, Sr., Corine Edwards, Jim Solomons, Debra Opri, Wendy Murphy, Eddie Jordan, Web Wilson, Annie Wilson

RITA COSBY, HOST: Right now, we‘re following a dramatic manhunt for a suspected cop shooter. Tonight, the fugitive‘s family makes a LIVE AND DIRECT plea to the fugitive, Turn yourself in.

And police may have uncovered a bombshell clue in the death of Virginia college student Taylor Behl. Could a credit card purchase solve this case? And an Amber Alert has police scrambling to find a car loaded with kids. Wait until you hear who they found in the driver‘s seat.

But first, the blockbuster interview that could soon change the course of the Natalee Holloway investigation on the island of Aruba.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JAMIE SKEETERS, POLYGRAPH EXAMINER: ... even if someone had given her a date drug. I‘m sure she had sex with all of you.

DEEPAK KALPOE, SUSPECT IN NATALEE HOLLOWAY DISAPPEARANCE: She did.

You‘d be surprised how simple it was.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COSBY: Now Aruban police officials say after they personally reviewed that taped interview, they may call Deepak Kalpoe and maybe the two other suspects back in for questioning, and this case could pop wide open. One official explained it this way late tonight with our Dan Abrams.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GERALD DOMPIG, ARUBAN DEPUTY POLICE CHIEF: I assure you that if these tapes are legitimate, it could turn around the case.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COSBY: And LIVE AND DIRECT tonight from California is the man who did that interview that‘s causing all the fireworks, polygraph examiner Jamie Skeeters. And also with us is former FBI profiler and MSNBC analyst Clint Van Zandt, who also talked to Deepak during his visit to Aruba.

Jamie, let me start with you. You talked to Deepak. Do you believe he said one thing to you and something very different to authorities?

JAMIE SKEETERS, POLYGRAPH EXAMINER: Yes, he—yes, I do. He told me that he had sex, they all had sex with Natalee on that night and that it was simple and that she was a slut, and et cetera.

COSBY: You know, Clint, I want to show another quote from the interview that—another comment here from the interview that Jamie did with Deepak, where, you know, again, it just talked about easy, how simple it was. Let‘s take a listen to Deepak Kalpoe.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

KALPOE: To tell you quite frankly, dressed like a slut, talked like one, would go in a car with three strange guys, and her mother claiming her to be the goody two-shoes—enough of the BS already.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COSBY: You know, Clint, it doesn‘t sound like he‘s under pressure, right? Sounds like he‘s talking freely.

CLINT VAN ZANDT, MSNBC ANALYST, FORMER FBI PROFILER: Well, he‘s talking too much. And then again, you know, he‘s talking about someone who is at least missing and might be deceased. And when you see someone working so hard to try to besmirch the memory of this girl and to try to had put her mother down instead of just saying, You know, gee, it‘s a sad thing, I was the last one who saw her, I‘m really sorry about this—you know, there‘s something here.

There has always been something here with these three guys. And this is where the solution to this case lies. And the challenge is, the issue is the statements that they made to Jamie, the statements that Deepak made to Jamie, does that in and of itself constitute a criminal violation? Because there‘s still the issue of if there was consensual sex, then was there a violation of law? And the answer would be no.

COSBY: Yes, it depends, if it‘s rape, if it goes to the other level. Let me go to Jamie because, Jamie, the question tonight, as we heard from the deputy chief—he wants to hear these tapes. He wants to verify them for himself. Have you handed the tapes over?

SKEETERS: Well, see, that‘s the big issue here, Rita. I handed these tapes over to a very reliable company—it‘s called the FBI—a week or two ago. I‘m from the old school. I don‘t bring these things out in the public. You keep the integrity and the credibility of the evidence, and I can‘t think of anybody more credible than the FBI.

COSBY: Now, Jamie, has the FBI given them to Aruban authorities or the prosecutors down there?

SKEETERS: My understanding—I talked with the chief yesterday morning, Chief Dompig, and he—actually, I talked to him this morning. And he does not have the tapes in his hands at this moment, but he indicated the prosecutor was picking them up, and he hoped to have them, hopefully, today or tomorrow.

COSBY: All of the tapes or just part of the tapes?

SKEETERS: I turned everything I had over to the FBI, yes.

COSBY: And were you contacted about Aruban authorities, Jamie, too?

SKEETERS: Never. And this is what started the problem. I heard the chief on television indicate that Dr. Phil would not release the tapes under condition that they had to come over and make a movie. And so I called the chief. I called him for two days. And we had a long talk. And we‘re on the same page right now. As a matter of fact, he‘s going to come out here to California and throw a leg over a horse I have out here. But the chief indicated that the misunderstanding was between Beth‘s attorney, Hill (ph), and the prosecutor, and he was misinformed. And I said—I told the chief, Chief, I don‘t want the tapes. You‘re welcome to have them.

COSBY: Well, let me show a comment from the deputy chief talking about what he plans to do, and if these tapes are legitimate, what he plans to do next. Let‘s show that.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DOMPIG: Well, once this is verified, and if it‘s legitimate, the case will turn around.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COSBY: Now, Clint, how long until he can, quote, “legitimize” the tapes to make sure they‘re for real? And what do you think‘s going to happen next?

VAN ZANDT: Well, I‘m sure that‘s one of the things he‘ll ask the FBI to do, is make sure there‘s no—you know—and this is not anything about Jamie whatsoever, but somebody has to look at the tapes and say there‘s no Nixonian gaps in the tape or anything like that.

COSBY: Yes, that‘s standard procedure, right?

VAN ZANDT: Sure, sure. It would be done—I mean, just like the CIA listens to the tapes of bin Laden, things like that. So you verify that, yes, in fact, it‘s a good tape. It hasn‘t been tampered with whatsoever. And then the FBI will pass it on to the police.

COSBY: Jamie, do you think that this could bust this case wide open?

I‘m sure you stand by your recording.

SKEETERS: Well, what I did, is my—it‘s not a tape, it‘s a videotape. You do see Deepak. You see him talk. It‘s not a recording tape. So everything is there. I downloaded it off of my computer onto a tape, and that‘s what we gave to the FBI.

COSBY: Well, good for you. Good job. And I hope this does push this case wide open, both of you.

SKEETERS: I‘m sure it will. Thank you.

COSBY: Thank you, both.

And I want to get the reaction to this latest development from Natalee‘s family. Joining me now live on the phone tonight is her father, Dave Holloway. Dave, you know, the language is really strong. You got to be optimistic tonight.

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S FATHER: I am. I‘m very optimistic. But you know, we‘ve not reviewed the tape and the Aruban authorities have not reviewed the tape. So that‘s coming, and we‘ll see in a couple of days.

COSBY: And I want to show another comment from the deputy chief because this is sort of the first time I‘ve actually heard them really sort of say these are the guys. Let‘s take a listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DOMPIG: Well, at this time, I think that all three persons know something that they are not telling, at least not telling us.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COSBY: Dave, does that sound to you like things are moving forward?

HOLLOWAY: Well, I mean, we‘ve heard that all along. You know, they‘ve withheld information, in my opinion, and they know more than what they‘re telling. So that‘s no surprise.

COSBY: But it‘s interesting, Dave, that, actually, now we‘re hearing the chief, an official, actually saying that—you know, you and I talked about that, but it‘s interesting just how outright they‘re coming and making these statements and also saying that if they can prove this tape is legitimate, they then will bring these guys in and it will move the case forward. That‘s pretty assertive language.

HOLLOWAY: Absolutely. And I think from what I‘ve heard from Gerald Dompig is that—I‘m optimistic that he‘s going to do something. And we‘ll see.

COSBY: Absolutely. Now, the deputy chief is disputing some of the facts in the case. Let me show a part. This is basically where he says that Joran didn‘t have sex with her in the house, as we‘ve heard from some earlier statements. Let me play another little clip.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DOMPIG: The only statement that comes close is that he had a plan, he wanted to go to the house to have sex or whatever, but—and he stopped in front of the house, but they did not leave the car. So they didn‘t go into the house. That‘s his statement.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COSBY: Now, Dave, what‘s your understanding of what was said earlier by Joran?

HOLLOWAY: Well, I was only privileged to one of the statements, and that was read to Beth, Jug, myself, along with two attorneys. And of course, it was in Dutch, and the—one of the attorneys interpreted it. And from what I gathered, this tape indicated to me that Natalee was falling asleep, waking back up, falling asleep, waking back up, and that in my opinion, a sexual assault was occurring at the same time.

COSBY: When are you planning on heading back down to Aruba? And do you think there‘s now steam in this case?

HOLLOWAY: We‘re going back—I‘m going back with Tim Miller with Equusearch and a couple of other people sometime next week.

COSBY: Well, good for you, Dave, and I hope you finally get some answers. And I‘m glad to see Aruban authorities are giving some pretty strong comments that I hope they stand by it, in particular, when this case does get verified and this tape gets verified. Dave, thank you.

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'Scarborough Country' for Oct. 12th
Read the transcript to the Wednesday show
Updated: 8:24 a.m. ET Oct. 13, 2005

Guests: Kathy Van Olst, Savannah Guthrie, George Malim, Frank DeSalvo, Pamela Davis, Paul Reynolds, Jim Nolan

MONICA CROWLEY, GUEST HOST: Coming up right now on SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY, a bombshell out of Aruba. Could the three suspects in the Natalee Holloway case be going back to jail? We have got the explosive new MSNBC interview with the man now running the investigation. You will hear his incredible words, and we have reaction from Natalee‘s family.

I want us to take a listen to the interview that we are talking about here. This is a portion of Dan Abrams‘ remarkable exclusive interview with the deputy police in Aruba. Dan asked if any of the boys ever admitted to having sex with Natalee that night.

Here it is.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP, “”THE ABRAMS REPORT”)

GERALD DOMPIG, ARUBAN DEPUTY CHIEF OF POLICE: if these tapes are legitimate, it could turn around the case.

DAN ABRAMS, NBC CHIEF LEGAL CORRESPONDENT: Why is that? Is what he says on that tape inconsistent with what he said in interviews with the police?

DOMPIG: Absolutely. Absolutely. They always denied having sex with this young girl. And so, in looking at the tapes, to watch if this is really what this gentleman has said, then it is totally contrary to what he has declared at our police station.

ABRAMS: So, if those tapes are verified by you, are you going to re- arrest Deepak Kalpoe?

DOMPIG: That‘s—of course, that‘s one of the strong possibilities.

Don‘t forget that we do have to follow tactical issues and strategies.

The issue, also, is that, in Aruba, we don‘t know the plea bargains. It‘s not allowed within our system. So we do have to follow different rules and regulations.

But I assure you that, once this is verified, and if it‘s legitimate, the case will turn around fully. And it will be for us absolutely enough new information to talk once more to this young man, or, as a matter of fact, with maybe to all three.

ABRAMS: So what would you do—let‘s again assume that you‘re able to verify this tape. Joran Van Der Sloot is living in the Netherlands right now.

DOMPIG: Yes.

ABRAMS: Would you demand that he return?

DOMPIG: That‘s a possibility. We always—we will have to go through the judge of instruction, of course, for every new activity, which you could say basically is evasive for whatever reasons, because people have constitutional rights.

If we want to do searches and we want to arrest people within a case like this, we do have to go to a judge.

ABRAMS: So let‘s be clear. Up to this point, Deepak Kalpoe has denied having had sex with Natalee that night?

DOMPIG: That‘s correct.

ABRAMS: What about the other suspect, Joran Van Der Sloot, for example? Did he deny repeatedly that he ever had sex with Natalee that night?

DOMPIG: They all denied. And I—it‘s—I‘m glad you asked you that question, because there‘s also some rumors going around from I think part of the family that Joran supposedly declared in one of his statements that he had sex with this girl in his home or his apartment.

ABRAMS: Yes.

DOMPIG: There‘s no mention nowhere in the statements of that.

ABRAMS: All right, let me...

DOMPIG: The only thing that he...

ABRAMS: Let me let you listen to this from Beth Twitty. And then I want you to respond.

DOMPIG: OK.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: I‘ve seen several of Joran‘s statements. And I don‘t know why he was released. He has her coming in and out of consciousness repeatedly throughout his statements. You know, he admits to bringing her to his home. And he even gives a date and a time, 1: 40 a. m. on May the 30th, and, you know, has sex with her in his home.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

ABRAMS: So you‘re saying that that is simply not true?

DOMPIG: Not true. The statements—as I said earlier, also, we are

re-reading all the statements at this moment. And there‘s no statement of

that kind.

The only statement that comes close is that he had a plan—he wanted to go to the house to have sex or whatever, but—and they stopped in front of the house, but they did not leave the car. So they didn‘t go into the house. That‘s his statement.

And I think that maybe somewhere, somehow Beth saw the statement—it was translated, or she didn‘t get the statement completely the way it is. But I assure you this is the statement.

ABRAMS: We have heard from official statements from the authorities in Aruba that Joran Van Der Sloot made inconsistent statements. True?

DOMPIG: That is correct.

ABRAMS: What were they inconsistent about?

(LAUGHTER)

DOMPIG: Well, it would take me I think a little over two days to go over all the inconsistencies. It‘s—none of the stories match up, let me put it that way. So when it comes to believing this individual, we know in which category to place him.

ABRAMS: All right. But when you say that none of the statements match up, he never claims that—he never admitted to having sex with Natalee, correct?

DOMPIG: No.

ABRAMS: He never admitted to killing Natalee or knowing what happened to Natalee, correct?

DOMPIG: No.

ABRAMS: The inconsistencies were, when was he on the beach with her, did they go back to his house, etcetera?

DOMPIG: Exactly, details.

ABRAMS: Was there a major detail he was inconsistent about?

DOMPIG: I can‘t comment on that, because talking about that would really also expose future strategies and tactics we have.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CROWLEY: That was from today‘s “ABRAMS REPORT.”

And let‘s go right back to Natalee Holloway‘s uncle, Paul Reynolds, and also Pamela Davis is standing by, a former California prosecutor.

Paul, what do you think when you hear this coming from the deputy chief of police in Aruba?

REYNOLDS: Well, I am glad they are taking a look at the case. You know, I am glad that they are rereading all of the statements that were made. I suspect there were volumes of statements that were collected, and I think it‘s very important to go over those very carefully, look at what he was saying, and, you know, we thought from the beginning that statements were made that were incriminating, and possibly lesser charges rather than the maximum charges.

But certainly something is there and we want the investigation to continue and focus on those—those statements.

CROWLEY: Pamela Davis, I would love to get your reaction to this. It seems like there are some gigantic discrepancies here in what Joran and some of these other guys, particularly Deepak, have told police over time.

DAVIS: It certainly appears that way. And, you know, it strikes me that the chief deputy is so adamant about how many discrepancies there are.

You know, he is careful to say he can‘t go into the details of those, because it might reveal what their strategies are in the pending investigation, but there‘s a portion of this tape that wasn‘t played or on the interview that wasn‘t played where he says that he is confident that they have the right individuals.

And I can say as a former prosecutor that you rarely will get anyone in law enforcement to say such a strong statement before they have gone in and filed the case, so they must have information and feel pretty positive about things at this point.

CROWLEY: Pamela, do you think it‘s new information? I mean, what would trigger the deputy chief of police in Aruba to make this kind of statement now? I mean, this has been an ongoing investigation for months now.

DAVIS: I am not really certain. We can speculate that they have discovered something new, but it may be as simple as this is what they needed, or these inconsistent statements that probably support the theories that the police have had all along about what did happen that night, and now you have at least one of the individuals admitting that he had sex with Natalee Holloway, as well as the other two individuals.

And that may simply be enough that they feel their case is much stronger at this point.

CROWLEY: And, Paul Reynolds, do you believe that Deepak speaking to Dr. Phil on television, taking a polygraph test, do you think that that perhaps scared the authorities in Aruba into making these kinds of very forward statements?

REYNOLDS: I think they are taking a look at the information that‘s coming out. You know, certainly my sister has been very strong in her commitment to finding her daughter, and I think that‘s had an impact.

And with Dr. Phil coming out with that, it‘s forced a lot of people to take a second look.

CROWLEY: Paul, why do you think Joran and Deepak are talking to the press right now? I mean, Joran gave a very extensive interview on television cameras, Deepak now talking to Dr. Phil. Why do you think they are going public now?

REYNOLDS: I think they are young. I think they will make mistakes. This is what we have thought all along, that the truth will come out, and we have just been waiting for that to happen.

CROWLEY: All right. Paul Reynolds and Pamela Davis, please stand by.

CROWLEY: They were good buddies, and they may be the only ones who know what really happened to Natalee Holloway. And they may also be heading back to jail.

Let me bring back Natalee Holloway‘s uncle, Paul Reynolds, and also Pamela Davis. She is a former California prosecutor.

And, you know, Paul, you have been absolutely relentless, you and your sister, Beth, that these three boys, Joran van der Sloot and Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, that these three individuals are response for the disappearance of Natalee.

I want to go right now back to Dan Abrams‘ exclusive interview with the deputy police chief in Aruba, because in this part of the interview, Dan was asking him if he is sure that these are the guys who were responsible for Natalee disappearing that night, and what he has to say seems to back up your theory, Paul. Here it is.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP, “THE ABRAMS REPORT”)

ABRAMS: Do you believe that Joran, Deepak, and Satish were involved in Natalee‘s disappearance?

DOMPIG: Well, at this time, I think that all three persons know something that they are not telling, at least not telling us.

ABRAMS: Something about her disappearance?

DOMPIG: Exactly. And I go by the rule of thumb that the first 40 days—I said in a different program, the first 40 days, law enforcement has probably also already spoken to the perpetrators.

So we feel strongly that we have already spoken to them and there‘s no one else outside this group that could be involved or responsible, so sometimes people ask us that, are you not tunnel-visioned? Maybe you should look at other possibilities. Of course. We did that, but we still feel that every time you go on a path, a different path, that path leads back, comes back to these three boys.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CROWLEY: Pamela Davis, you just heard what the deputy police chief in Aruba had to say. And if what he is saying is, in fact, true, then why not rearrest these three boys immediately?

DAVIS: I think my understanding is they are waiting to try to get a copy of that tape. I think they want to test the accuracy or the credibility of the tape and make sure there wasn‘t anything that was altered on it, and if they can show those are, in fact, the statements, that may be the time they go in and arrest the individuals.

CROWLEY: Paul, are you and Beth hopeful that you will see these three boys rearrested?

REYNOLDS: We are very hopeful. You know, it wasn‘t that long ago that we were very excited about the developments, when they rearrested the Kalpoe brothers.

We heard at that time that the interrogations were going well, that the boys were beginning to talk, and it was very concerning to us when what seemed like all of a sudden the judge released not only Joran, but the Kalpoe brothers as well. And, you know, it kind of happened when no one was looking, and no one was communicating with us. You know, my sister didn‘t hear from the prosecutor. The defense seemed to know before anyone else that they were being released.

And that caused a great deal of frustration on our family‘s part and a great deal of concern, but we are glad now that things are turning back around, that, with the prosecutor‘s statement last week, and the political coming out this week, we feel, you know, that they are back on track, and something is going to happen.

CROWLEY: Pamela Davis, how do you as a former prosecutor when you look at a case like this, how do you build a case without a confession and without a body?

DAVIS: This is a tough case, and I think that‘s why we have seen a significant delay from the time of the alleged murder.

And I think everybody at this point agrees that that‘s most likely what occurred. And I think, without a body, and without significant physical evidence, this is a very difficult case, and it will be very circumstantial, and they will need to have a lot of inconsistencies built in to support the case that they are going to bring.

(CROSSTALK)

CROWLEY: And, Pamela, why don‘t think that these three boys have cracked? They have been under enormous pressure.

DAVIS: You know, I think the deputy chief brought something up, when he talked about the difference between our systems.

I think, as U.S. citizens, we are used to the situation where one person will go in and, you know, using the phrase, turn state‘s evidence, or point the finger at another individual in order to give themselves a better deal. Well, that doesn‘t exist in the Aruba system. In the Aruba system, my understanding is that all individuals will have—once they are charged, they, in fact, are charged with that crime, and there‘s no such thing as going in and plea-bargaining or assisting your way out of a case.

And because of that, I think you are less likely to see somebody crack early in the case, trying to get themselves a better disposition at the end.

CROWLEY: You know, Paul, we have seen so much media scrutiny on this case, and now with this latest interview by the deputy chief of police in Aruba, it seems like the case has even more momentum, which means added media attention onto it.

Do you think that that media attention has really had an impact in keeping the authorities in Aruba focused on bringing justice for Natalee?

REYNOLDS: I think absolutely. The media, you know, has kept people informed, and it‘s allowed people to follow this. And the support that we have received from across America and around the globe, and in Aruba, has been tremendous, and the media has been very instrumental in keeping that focus, and that‘s what‘s going to help us find the answers that we need.

CROWLEY: All right. Well, of course, we are on top of this story, and particularly now with these new developments.

Paul Reynolds, all the best to your family.

And, Pamela Davis, thank you so much for being with us tonight.

DAVIS: Thank you.

REYNOLDS: Thank you.

As a matter of fact, when I go home every day, the first thing my wife asks me is, Have you guys found her? So it has become personal and I guarantee you that we would like to have the case solved yesterday.

Addition to #2685: Here is more of that interview on Dan Abrams show:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9679791/

ABRAMS: Deputy chief of police in Aruba Gerald Dompig, thank you very much for taking the time, and good luck in the continuing investigation.

DOMPIG: Thank you for having me.

ABRAMS: Wow. That‘s a lot of information there.

Joining me now is Natalee Holloway‘s mother, Beth Holloway Twitty. All right, Beth look, you‘ve been listening, as have we, to all of this information. It‘s the first time I‘ve heard such a candid conversation with the deputy police chief. What do you make of it?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Well I am guardedly encouraged. You know I‘m -

we‘ve always been told by the prosecuting attorney should new evidence be brought forth, that it would—could and would warrant the re-incarceration of the suspects. And as we can see, this taped confession from Deepak is certainly a new piece of evidence that should be brought forward and hopefully, they will utilize this and act upon it.

ABRAMS: It sure sounded to me like he was saying if I can verify that this tape is actually Deepak Kalpoe saying that we all had sex with Natalee, that this could turn the investigation around.

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Absolutely. It‘s what it sounded like to me. You know there are a couple things that I want to make perfectly clear about statement and I could just list them for you.

It‘s you know when we look at statements, we have to look at the facts and the facts are, number one, I did have a statement that was given on June 1 that was falsified.

Number two, I seen a torn statement on June 1.

Number three, I‘ve had statements translated from the two uniform police officers from the night of May 31 that omitted the key elements of the sexual assault that Joran committed against Natalee.

ABRAMS: Now you...

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Number four...

ABRAMS: You heard—just so we‘re clear, you heard him specifically deny that, right? He said...

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Well...

ABRAMS: ... there‘s just no statement to that effect.

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Well that‘s kind of what I‘m leading up to. I‘m leading up to the reason why that could be. And number four would, you know, when you think of the DEA witness, Eric Williams, was not given—was not—did not give a statement regarding the incident that occurred May 31 where Joran is again, admitting these sexual assaults committed against Natalee.

And number five, you remember there were many witnesses there that night that were never asked to give a statement until 20 to 30 days later. So I just lay those facts out and then I have to go back in my mind and I have the date and I have the time of the statements that Joran gave and that these were translated by two Aruban attorneys in front of Dave Holloway, Judge Woody (ph), and myself.

So there are at least two statements that exist and I have the date and time of them where Joran specifically describes Natalee as coming in and out of consciousness as he‘s committing these sexual assaults against her...

(CROSSTALK)

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ... and secondly, there is a statement that Joran gives—I‘ve got the date and time...

ABRAMS: But he‘s just saying...

(CROSSTALK)

ABRAMS: I mean, Beth, you know look, the only reason I‘m interrupting you here is because he just said it‘s just not true. You‘re just saying he‘s wrong.

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Well I‘m just saying what was presented before me. I, you know I don‘t—would never want to get in that. But those are just facts and I just like to stick to what we‘ve had presented in front of us and...

ABRAMS: Let me give you a minute. I know you‘ve just heard this for the first time. Let me give you a little—a minute to gather your thoughts...

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: OK.

ABRAMS: I just think it‘s important, though as you say, to get the facts out there and you‘ve been telling us this and I‘ve never—look, I don‘t know. We‘ve always taken, you know, your word. He didn‘t seem to be questioning you or voracity. He seemed to be saying that maybe there was a problem with the translation.

We‘ll talk to Beth more about her reaction to the deputy chief‘s interview in a minute. I‘m going to ask her what struck her in particular about that interview and what are her plans to continue the search for Natalee.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(NEWS BREAK)

ABRAMS: We‘re back talking about our exclusive with the deputy police chief in Aruba where he‘s saying that a new audiotape could turn the case around, saying that it is possible that the three suspects who were released could be re-arrested in connection with the Natalee Holloway case.

And joining me again is our friend, Beth Holloway Twitty, who is Natalee‘s mother.

How much—how many times have you gotten to speak with the deputy police chief? Are you in regular contact with the police?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Well initially we had a family liaison that was getting all the information through the lead investigators, but that stopped probably about six weeks ago.

ABRAMS: Why?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: I think it was prompted after a meeting that Jug and myself had with the prosecuting attorney. For some reason she just made the decision at that point to terminate that line of communication. We really weren‘t privy to why that happened. So lately, we have jut been receiving what information we could from our attorney, Helen Lejuez, who was getting the information from Karin Janssen, the prosecuting attorney.

ABRAMS: Was there anything that particularly struck you about what we just heard from Deputy Chief Dompig?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Well I‘m just—like I said, I‘m guardedly encouraged that they will utilize and act upon this new evidence. And I think all I was trying to say is, Dan, that you know we have witnessed documents being falsified and torn, so it is a concern of ours and hopes that those original statements are still there that Joran Van Der Sloot gave early on.

ABRAMS: And he did say in regard to your statement, well you heard him say it was the first time he had heard about it. When you had told us a while back that you felt that one of your own statements had been altered in some fashion. He was saying it‘s the first time he had heard of it and he was going to look into it.

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Yes and I‘m—that‘s great because that really needs to happen and it is an area that needs to be addressed as to what happened to my original statement so yes, I mean any information coming out and beginning to shed light onto what has happened and what we have witnessed and experienced is, you know it is very welcomed and we are anxious to see what will come forward from here.

ABRAMS: You‘re heading back, aren‘t you, to Aruba?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Yes, we will all be headed back in the upcoming week.

ABRAMS: And what are you going to be doing there? I understand that you‘re going to be bringing along a team with some new equipment, (INAUDIBLE)?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Right. There‘s a group, Jason Little (ph) has been instrumental in getting some ocean science equipment loaned to Art Wood who‘s bringing a group to search the waters and then I believe Dave Holloway is coming in with some members of EquuSearch and we‘ve just got a couple of things we need to iron out. And one of them is my statement. We need to go back and see what happened to my original statement and...

ABRAMS: All right. Well, Beth good luck and...

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: OK.

ABRAMS: ... and sorry we had to sort of all listen to this at the same time, but this just came in and I‘m glad. Look, it sounds like there‘s going to be some progress made. At least he‘s going to look into this allegation that you were talking about, about your statement. So at least seems there...

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Yes.

ABRAMS: ... little progress. Thanks a lot Beth.

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Yes. Thank you. Thank you so much, Dan.

I wish Dan Abrams had not interrupted Beth while she was giving her list of facts. She had her thoughts in order and his constant interruptions seemed designed to cut off her train of thoughts. In the circumstances, I think Beth did very well to continue to list her facts.

I don't think Beth needed a "minute to gather her thoughts", as Dan said. I think she had her thoughts gathered fine in the beginning.

BETH: snip...It‘s you know when we look at statements, we have to look at the facts and the facts are, number one, I did have a statement that was given on June 1 that was falsified.

Number two, I seen a torn statement on June 1.

Number three, I‘ve had statements translated from the two uniform police officers from the night of May 31 that omitted the key elements of the sexual assault that Joran committed against Natalee.

Interruption #1: ABRAMS: Now you...

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Number four...

Interruption #2: ABRAMS: You heard—just so we‘re clear, you heard him specifically deny that, right? He said...

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Well...

ABRAMS: ... there‘s just no statement to that effect.

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Well that‘s kind of what I‘m leading up to. I‘m leading up to the reason why that could be. And number four would, you know, when you think of the DEA witness, Eric Williams, was not given—was not—did not give a statement regarding the incident that occurred May 31 where Joran is again, admitting these sexual assaults committed against Natalee.

And number five, you remember there were many witnesses there that night that were never asked to give a statement until 20 to 30 days later. So I just lay those facts out and then I have to go back in my mind and I have the date and I have the time of the statements that Joran gave and that these were translated by two Aruban attorneys in front of Dave Holloway, Judge Woody (ph), and myself.

So there are at least two statements that exist and I have the date and time of them where Joran specifically describes Natalee as coming in and out of consciousness as he‘s committing these sexual assaults against her...

(CROSSTALK)

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ... and secondly, there is a statement that Joran gives—I‘ve got the date and time...

Interruption # 3: ABRAMS: But he‘s just saying...

(CROSSTALK)

ABRAMS: I mean, Beth, you know look, the only reason I‘m interrupting you here is because he just said it‘s just not true. You‘re just saying he‘s wrong.

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Well I‘m just saying what was presented before me. I, you know I don‘t—would never want to get in that. But those are just facts and I just like to stick to what we‘ve had presented in front of us and...

Interruption #4: ABRAMS: Let me give you a minute. I know you‘ve just heard this for the first time. Let me give you a little—a minute to gather your thoughts...

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: OK.

Thanks for the update, RGVT.

It must be killing Dompig to admit the truth. Now he needs to add papa and the DJ - they know something. Put the squeeze on big time - not that it will matter - no one in their right mind would waste their time or money in that cesspool - and that's what this 'new' interest is all about - not justice, just money.

Thanks again, RGVT.

Check this out.
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ABRAMS: Let me ask you about the father of Joran. He was under arrest for a brief period of time before a judge released him. Do you think that he knows something?

DOMPIG: Well, he is, has been, and still is a person of interest. And I wouldn't like to say more than that at this time.

ABRAMS: But let's be clear. A person of interest in connection with Natalee's disappearance ... or in connection with something after the fact?

DOMPIG: Both.

Speaking of the bird flu virus ... already found in the Netherlands, did you see this?

U.S. airlines on guard for bird flu

By Mark Skertic
Chicago Tribune

CHICAGO — The airline industry, which lost billions of dollars after the 2003 outbreak of the SARS virus, is monitoring the burgeoning threat of bird flu, but plans to wait before instituting any special precautions to guard against the spread of the disease.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/traveloutdoors/2002556886_webairlineflu12.html

WOW RGVTx!! You made my day.

DOMPIG: Both.

Here is a link to a page with lots of photos of the Esso Lagos Refinery in its heyday. All the photos are pre-1961, and you can see what a tight-knit community the Americans who lived and worked there had.

http://w3.trib.com/~dwood/photogallery.html

My parentheses:

ABRAMS: But let's be clear. ( Is Paulus ... ) A person of interest in connection with Natalee's disappearance ... or in connection with something after the fact?

DOMPIG: Both.

Thank you, penowa. Very interesting pix.

Jossy on Rita Cosby says Steve Croes wants to sue Beth because she has damaged his reputation. (SC is the definition of stuck on stupid)

The most interesting tidbits from Jossy are that all of the Van Der Sloot family is back in Aruba except Joran.
Joran remains in the Netherlands attending school.
And Paulus cannot step foot inside a court while Joran remains a suspect.

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Good grief, I can't believe the Sloots are stupid enough to leave Joran unsupervised. I know they are failures as parents, but I thought they would realize the seriouness of the situation and keep Joran under wraps. Joran will be back in trouble soon. He will run his arrogant mouth and bust himself in Natalee's case. In the meantime, he could be targeting more victims. He is destined for jail and too arrogant to see it coming.