Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 16

Various News Outlets | 8/26/05

[TexKat]

Surinamese Deepak Kalpoe, 21, arrives to court in Oranjestad, Aruba, Friday, Aug. 26, 2005. Aruban police arrested Kalpoe and his brother Satish, 18, along with a third person according to government spokesman Ruben Trapenberg, saying he doesn't know if the arrests are connected to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The two brothers had been previously detained and released. (AP Photo/Pedro Famous Diaz)

Surinamese Satish Kalpoe, 18, front, gets in a car to go to court in Oranjestad, Aruba, Friday, Aug. 26, 2005. Two Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, who had been detained and released in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway were arrested again Friday based on new evidence, officials said. The brothers were detained on suspicion of involvement, with unidentified 'other people,' in premeditated murder and rape, the prosecutor's office said. Person to the right is unidentified. (AP Photo/Farrah Boekhoudt)

[shebacal]

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October 05, 2005

HarryTho Natalee Holloway Update And Commentary

Not a lot going in the news department, but here's a couple of quick items:

Greta of Fox News interviewed Beth Twitty. Beth reiterated the taping of Deepak Kalpoe in which, Beth claims, Deepak showed no concern for any charges being filed against him. Beth confirmed that the taped conversation was not polygraphed. Beth reported that she has heard no new news in the investigation. Beth stated that when she returns to Aruba she demands to be escorted by an official of the Aruban government.

Beth met with Alabama Governor Bob Riley. Beth states that the Dutch law and government failed Natalee. She says she had been respectful long enough of the Dutch government; however, now it is time to get some help to get this case resolved. She leaves the idea of going to Holland open.

Beth claims the smoking gun was 10 June 2005 in which the FBI told Beth that Natalee could not be alive.

Nancy Grace airs the Deepak Kalpoe tape. Jimmy Skeeter, partner of Harold Copus (former FBI agent) reports that he polygraphed the landfill witness, after he heard the landfill witness had passed a voice-stress polygraph performed by one of the private investigators. Not only did the landfill witness fail the polygraph, the landfill witness admitted to lying for the purpose of collecting the reward and putting the suspects and the prosecutor in jail for burying the body. Jimmy Skeeter reveals this information to Deepak and provides Deepak's attorney a copy of the polygraph and the admission. Jimmy claims that Deepak met with him in his hotel room where he taped Deepak's conversation.

Now, the highlights of the conversation were played often by the cable news channel which, by the way, are admired by Jimmy Skeeter. Jimmy is a polygraph expert. What seldom gets highlighted in Deepak's conversation is the denial that he or any of the other suspects killed Natalee. From the words used by Deepak, it is clear that any notion of drugging of Natalee in order to have sex with her should be discarded. Deepak knows little of the drugging business. Essentially, what Jimmy Skeeter uncovered was that drugging in Aruba is the not popular scam that it has been made out to be by the media.

In appreciating statements of alleged guilt, we must remember it is disingenuous to pick and choose those portions of a conversation that support our contentions. Though Deepak admits to having sex with Natalee, he denies drugging or killing her. Given his urge for justice to proceed swiftly, that is not an indication of arrogance as many "experts" promote. Quite the contrary, it exhibits self-confidence in innocence.

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I missed that show, too. I thought the Private Investigator Jamie Skeeters owned that tape.

[shebacal]

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October 08, 2005

HarryTho Friday Night Natalee Holloway Update And Commentary

Just a few Natalee-related items to cover tonight - let's start with an announcement from the prosecutor's office on Aruba:

The prosecutor's office has announced(hat tip - Scared Monkeys) that someone involved in a criminal complaint who believes that their case is being handled incorrectly can file a complaint with the Common Court of Justice in the Netherlands or Aruba.

Greta reviewed the Prosecutor Office's statement, with Beth feeling that the Aruban government is beginning to acknowledge their shortcomings. In a sense, Beth feels the statement may be more applicable to Joran van der Sloot and Deepak Kalpoe.

Beth informed Greta that she had a productive week recruiting search teams, and that two search teams will return to Aruba with her, at the family's expense.

Joe Scarborough of MSNBC news hosted an expert who expressed the opinion that the Aruban prosecutor would bring the suspects to trial in a year or a year-and-a-half. This expert felt that there were too many facts leading to the guilt of the suspects. Within that time frame, she feels the prosecutor will have a breakthrough in the case of sufficient magnitude to warrant prosecution.

[LucyT]

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[LucyT]

"...said a frustrated ( Beth) Twitty.

"I've since discovered that all of the news reports about the Aruban government sharing information with the FBI were completely mistaken. It never happened."

[LucyT]

Joran Van der Sloot has since left Aruba to attend college at Arnhem Business School in the Netherlands. According to accounts from Kristina Pedersen, a girl who has befriended Joran on campus, Van Der Sloot has sunk back into his old routine of cutting class, chasing women, and drinking heavily.

[LucyT]

"There is something very wrong with the Van Der Straaten guy. If someone were to tell me one day that he was criminally involved in this matter, I would not be surprised in the least."

Police Chief Van Der Straaten is a close friend of Paulus Van Der Sloot. Vd Straaten is the one who said, "how can I arrest the son of my best friend?"

A low ranking policeman first announced a body had been found, then later his statement was retracted by a police spokesman.

[BradyLS]

detected human bones, teeth and and iron in the sea!...When were these things found? Or, are these the arm bones discussed a month or two ago? Wasn't there a discussion of donkey bones and teeth?

Some nut said he had a "detector" that could locate these things in the sea. I asked earlier in this thread just how it did these things, since the bones and teeth of sea animals sharks and iron from anything thrown overboard would be the likely things found-- and the ocean is full them . No one could answer that. So I think that guy and his "detector" are bogus.

[penowa]

Shebacal, you won't get any argument from me on your assessment of Pauly or his writings. Wonder if Pauly had a job with the Clinton administration writing lines for his help? He would have fit right in there with all his various "talents."

Palladin, I don't know how Nancy Grace got her job. I have to read the transcripts because I can't stand to watch her. Unfortunately, I don't hold Rita, Greta, or Geraldo in much higher regard and find all of them hard to take even when they're doing segments on NH.

[shebacal]

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October 8, 2005
Aruba Deputy Chief of Police on The Big Story (VIDEO)

Aruba’s Deputy Chief of police Gerold Dompig called in on The Big Story to talk about the “ongoing” investigation in the search for Natalee Holloway. When asked about Joran van der Sloot, he says “we continue to monitor to him”. When asked if he thinks Natalee is dead, he dodges the question. When asked if he thought one of the three boys killed Natalee, he dodged the question.

DOWNLOAD and view video here.

By: Ian @ 11:55 pm in: Video Blogging, Natalee Holloway

[Vn_survivor_67-68]

I happened to see this......Dompig said that Dr Phil refuses to give the tape of the full interview to the aruban prosecutor unless she agrees to be a guest on his show when she receives it!

[justche]

Really??? Do you think that's true or more Aruba disinformation? (And do you have any idea why the Private investigator doesn't own the tape?)

[RGVTx]

I heard it. The conditions required by Dr Phil is that the exchange of the tape to ALE be done on his show, I believe was the wording. At the least, it was to be done on tape. ALE has a problem with that.

Excuse me while I rant.

Megan Kendall on FNC just chapped my rosie red, BIGTIME! She asked Beth Twitty "What can we do to teach girls to behave better?" That's darned near verbatim if not exact. I yelled a big curse at Megan Kendall before Beth could even begin to answer the question. I'm steamin' mad! How Beth stayed civil is amazing to me. I'd have been all over MK so ugly they'd have cut me off. Cover your ears cause I'm gonna yell again.

I HATE 'BLAME THE VICTIM' MENTALITY!!!

For Pete's sake, some victims are attacked in their own homes while doing nothing worse than sleeping in their own beds. There would be no victims if there were no criminals to target them.

I'm off to hunt for Megan Kendall's email at FNC...she needs an education.

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'Scarborough Country' for Oct. 7th
Read the transcript to the Friday show
Updated: 9:28 p.m. ET Oct. 9, 2005

JOE SCARBOROUGH, HOST:
Snip...Plus, a developing story tonight out of Aruba, new information from Aruban authorities on that explosive investigation. Plus, Deepak Kalpoe now admits that the three had sex with Natalee Holloway. Shouldn‘t those same three be behind bars tonight?

Snip...Now, moving on, we have new information out of Aruba late this afternoon. The prosecutor‘s office issued this statement: “The investigation into the disappearance of the American tourist Natalee Holloway is still ongoing. The investigation continues and the team is searching for new leads that may help solve this case. At the same time, the investigation that has been done until now is being revised and evaluated.”

With us now to talk about it is prosecutor Debra Opri.

Debra, thank you so much for being with us.

SCARBOROUGH: Of course, the big news, Debra, has been this past week, where you have Deepak admitting that he and his brother and Joran had sex on the beach with Natalee Holloway before she disappeared and, most people presume, died.

DEBRA OPRI, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yes.

SCARBOROUGH: What is going on? Do you think the Aruban government is seriously going after these guys or is this just a P.R. stunt?

OPRI: Well, it is P.R., Joe, straight and narrow. You have been in politics. You know that this government is under a significant amount of pressure from our media, and now it is going over into Holland.

Beth Twitty, the mother of Natalee, has been making what I consider headway in terms of keeping the story alive, keeping the reward out there. But the problem is this. Until and unless there‘s a serious investigation into the contradictions of the statements coming out of those three young men—i.e., one says, I never had sex with her—the other says, yes, we all did—and once we can get into the alleged charges, crimes charged, then we will start to unearth things.

Right now, you have got three young men who are saying, I‘m not saying anything else. You want to take me to trial, take me to trial. Will this go to trial? At this point in time, I don‘t think so.

SCARBOROUGH: You know, Debra, what is so surprising to me is the fact that they had these guys in jail for months. They couldn‘t get anything out of them.

The Aruban government said, well, we have got to keep all the proceedings quiet. So, we get no information out of there. It wasn‘t until they were released that we found out that all three of them had sex with Natalee before she disappeared and, again, we presume, died.

OPRI: Isn‘t it—isn‘t it interesting?

SCARBOROUGH: I mean, isn‘t that information coming out enough to arrest them?

OPRI: I had said earlier on talk shows, you know, let them go. They will start to talk, because they are young men, they are immature and they will have their opportunity to cross themselves up.

I say let, this investigation continue. Let them be free. The day will come where they are going to say the wrong thing to the wrong person, and this investigation will go into an entirely new direction. Their words and their deeds and their actions will be what convicts those three eventually, not today, but eventually.

SCARBOROUGH: Give us your prediction. Again, Deepak sang that the three of them took advantage of Natalee on the beach. What—what do you think is going to happen? Do you think they all three may be arrested again because of that statement?

OPRI: I think you have to look between the lines. Look at what was issued in the most recent statement today, that the prosecutor‘s office, whoever, is making statements, saying, if you are not happy with our investigation, make a complaint. I think a complaint is coming out. It may be coming from Beth.

But look for a prosecution, look for a trial probably in the next year or so, because those boys can‘t keep quiet ever. Guilt is a very heavy thing on the heads of the—of the young.

SCARBOROUGH: All right, thank you so much, Debra Opri.

OPRI: All right.

SCARBOROUGH: Greatly appreciate it.

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'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Oct. 7th
Read the transcript to the Friday show
Updated: 9:23 p.m. ET Oct. 9, 2005

RITA COSBY, HOST: Hello, everyone. Tonight, new information on the New York City terror threat that has people on edge this weekend. What do intelligence officers know that is so frightening? And late-breaking details in the Natalee Holloway investigation. The prosecutor makes a surprise move. Is Natalee‘s family finally getting results from the island of Aruba? An amazing crash all caught on tape. Find out what happened to the police officer who dove out of the way. This is amazing video.

Snip...COSBY: Thanks so much, Joe. So everybody be sure to stay tuned for “SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY,” coming up at the top of the hour right here on MSNBC.

And only a few hours ago, a big surprise, a stunning announcement in the search for missing Alabama teen Natalee Holloway. In a rare statement, the Aruban prosecutor says the investigation into Natalee‘s disappearance is still open.

The investigation, it says, into the disappearance of the American tourist, Natalee Holloway, is still ongoing. It further says the team is searching for new leads that may help solve the case. At the same time, the investigation that has been done until now is being revised and evaluated.

Joining me now live on the phone is Dave Holloway, Natalee‘s father.

You know, Dave, here it is, Friday, late in the day, and then suddenly they put out this statement. Come on. What do you make of this?

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S FATHER: Well, I don‘t know. I received a call from your station wondering why that e-mail was sent out from the prosecutor‘s office, and I did a little research and actually spoke with our attorney.

And there‘s some concerns of a boycott from the U.S. So they asked me my position, and my position was that, you know, I really didn‘t support it. The investigation needed to continue.

COSBY: Well, that‘s my question. Do you think that this was sort of a preemptive strike? We had Beth on the other night. She made it clear she‘s not giving up on the investigation. We had Joe Mamana (ph), who I know has been very helpful to you both, who was talking a lot about suing the island of Aruba.

There‘s been all of this talk. Are they trying to do the uptake? Are they trying to do a preemptive strike here?

HOLLOWAY: Well, you know, I‘m really not sure. That would have to be posed to the government of Aruba. And I think the prosecutor‘s office is trying to separate themselves from that issue.

COSBY: Do you think that they really are looking into everything and they‘re reevaluating this? Or is this just sort of smoke and mirrors, to try to look like they‘re doing something, hoping to block, you know, some sort of a blockade on Aruba?

HOLLOWAY: Well, you know, I do know that, you know, the police chief was replaced. And, you know, I had confidence in some of the detectives that were still investigating the case.

So, you know, the jury is still out on that. You know, I just really don‘t know what the tactical move is on the government regarding, you know, the proposed or alleged boycott.

COSBY: Dave, what‘s your plan for the future? And would you support a boycott? And what‘s your plan?

HOLLOWAY: Well, I don‘t support boycott. I intend to go back to Aruba. And I‘m hopeful that the local people there will help us solve this case.

COSBY: Well, I certainly hope so. And we will do what we can on this end. Dave, thank you very much for being with us, with this late-breaking information. We appreciate it.

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'The Abrams Report' for Oct. 7th
Read the transcript to the Friday show

Updated: 9:07 p.m. ET Oct. 9, 2005
Guests: Beth Holloway Twitty, Jamie Skeeters, Chris Lejuez, Susan Filan, Michael Bachner, Dave Been, Clint Van Zandt, Jim Nolan, Joseph Owen

DAN ABRAMS, HOST: Coming up, breaking news out of Aruba, in a rare public statement the prosecutor‘s office announces that the investigation into Natalee Holloway‘s disappearance is not over.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

ABRAMS (voice-over): This as a new tape emerges of one of the suspects admitting he two others had sex with Natalee the night she went missing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I‘m sure she had sex with all of you.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She did. You‘d be surprised how simple it was.

ABRAMS: Could this mean that he, they, could face other charges?

Natalee‘s mother is with us.

ABRAMS: Hi everyone. First up on the docket, breaking news out of Aruba. The prosecutor‘s office there has just issued a rare statement on the investigation into Alabama teen Natalee Holloway‘s disappearance nearly six weeks after the only three suspects in the case were released.

And I quote, “The investigation into the disappearance of the American tourist Natalee Holloway is still ongoing. The investigation continues and the team is searching for new leads that may help solve this case. At the same time, the investigation that has been done until now is being revised and evaluated.”

What prompted this? Could it be various legal efforts from Natalee‘s family? Well it comes right after the release of a taped interview with one of the three suspects in the case. Deepak Kalpoe, one of the brothers arrested along with Joran Van Der Sloot, spoke about the night Natalee disappeared.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

J. SKEETERS: And the question I‘ll ask you is if you intentionally killed her. If it was an accident I can help all of you and if you guys were partying, even if somebody had given her a date drug, I‘m sure she had sex with all of you.

DEEPAK: She did. You‘d be surprised how simple it was. To tell you quite frankly, dressed like a slut, talked like one. Would go in a car with three strange guys, and her mother claiming her to be the goody two shoes, enough of the B.S. already. If I knew where the body is I would tell them a long time ago. Let them start the trial and get this over with. I don‘t care.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

ABRAMS: Wow! All right. Joining me now is Natalee‘s mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, and Jamie Skeeters, the polygraph expert who interviewed Deepak. Before we talk about this news out of Aruba with regard to the statement coming from the prosecutor‘s office, Beth, I just have to give you an opportunity to respond to that because he seems to be going after you directly in that tape.

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S MOTHER (via phone): Well, you know when I hear Deepak, I‘m also thinking when he described that yes, they all had sex with my daughter and he talks about how easy it was. Well you know it would be easy for three—I can‘t even call them men, Dan—for these three thugs as I‘ve heard referred to, sounds good to me, for them to have my daughter, you know an 18-year-old female tourist drugged as Joran has her, because he has her talking about a lot of strange things and also states that she‘s obviously drunk. And in his statements he has her coming in and out of consciousness. Well it would be easy for these three citizens to overpower my daughter, drugged and unable to defend herself, absolutely.

ABRAMS: And again, you know we say this every time, that we have not been able to see the reports that you have discussed, that you have discussed these repeatedly saying that you‘ve seen reports with these kinds of statements about these young men, but this is really hearing him on tape say this, it directly contradicts—if we can get number seven ready—directly contradicts what Joran Van Der Sloot said in an interview with “A Current Affair”.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JORAN VAN DER SLOOT, RELEASED SUSPECT: It was Natalee who asked me to go out with her, it was her that asked me to come to the club, it was her that was yelling me to go dance with her and yes, I kissed with her. But neither me, Deepak, or Satish ever had sex with her and no one ever said otherwise.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

ABRAMS: So Beth, do you view this admission, so to speak, from Deepak on tape as a big development?

TWITTY: Oh absolutely. I mean it‘s huge. It is not only now just showing that my daughter was raped by Joran Van Der Sloot, but that you know this was a gang rape that was committed on the island of Aruba against my daughter between Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, and Joran Van Der Sloot. That is huge.

ABRAMS: Let me ask you about this statement that we have just gotten from the prosecutor‘s office in Aruba. We read the first part of it where they basically said all right, the investigation is ongoing. But I have to tell you that I am reading excerpts from this that sounds to me like they are referring specifically to you and let me read.

If a concerned party in a criminal case, for example, somebody who has filed a complaint with the police, is of the opinion that the investigation is not being done or not being done in a reasonable amount of time, this person can file a complaint with the Common Court of Justice of the Netherlands, Antilles, and Aruba.

It went on to say the public prosecutor‘s office does not have to justify its action with regard to the persecution of criminal acts to the Minister of Justice or the government of Aruba. It sounds like they‘re saying that you filed something either with the government of Aruba or the Minister of Justice.

TWITTY: Well you know, there‘s been a lot of concerned parties about this investigation. So I think that it‘s—there would be so many that you would line up, we might all have to take a number, Dan.

ABRAMS: But have you filed—have you or lawyers on your behalf filed any papers with the government of Aruba or the Minister of Justice or any other agency in Aruba saying they have missed up this investigation?

TWITTY: I can‘t comment on that at this time.

ABRAMS: OK. All right—the reason is—you know, the reason I ask is because it really does sound like a direct response to you. All right, what do you make of the fact that they say the investigation is ongoing. Do you believe it?

TWITTY: Well I‘d like to think it is. I really don‘t feel like we have had a good beginning to this investigation yet, so I certainly hope it is ongoing. We—you know if you don‘t have a good beginning you certainly can‘t have an end.

ABRAMS: Yes. Let me bring in Jamie Skeeters, who was the polygraph expert who interviewed Deepak. Thanks for joining us. How did you get him to talk to you? I mean it seems like no one else has been able to get him to talk and you got him on tape.

JAMIE SKEETERS, POLYGRAPH EXPERT: Well I contribute it to 38 years of being a street cop, to be honest with you, but I can give you a long story in about 30 seconds on how it happened.

ABRAMS: You‘ve got 30 seconds.

SKEETERS: You got it. I went over there as a polygraph expert to administer a polygraph on an individual that had taken an alleged voice stress polygraph on an individual that said he saw the judge, the prosecutor and the three suspects burying Natalee in the dump. I was advised that this individual had passed this voice stress thing.

I was concerned, because I don‘t have that much confidence in it, so I talked to Dr. Phil, he sent me over there. I did a polygraph on this same individual, a certified polygraph, where he failed the polygraph and admitted that he was lying on the voice stress test.

ABRAMS: Now let‘s be clear...

SKEETERS: After that happened...

ABRAMS: Let me just be clear. You‘re there talking about another witness, right? Not one of the three suspects?

SKEETERS: Yes. This is the witness that said he saw Natalee being buried...

ABRAMS: Right. Right.

SKEETERS: ... in the dump.

ABRAMS: Right. So you believe...

(CROSSTALK)

ABRAMS: ... that he failed the polygraph. OK, go on.

SKEETERS: Not only do I believe it, he admitted that he was less than truthful and he‘s actually more interested in the reward and his 15 minutes of fame.

ABRAMS: Right.

SKEETERS: And he was a cocaine addict.

ABRAMS: All right, so how did you get to Deepak?

(CROSSTALK)

SKEETERS: Well that‘s how I got to him. What I did—we have to keep a high standard with the American Polygraph Association. Even though this individual was lying about the proposed suspect, we have an obligation to go to whoever that was, let them know that this individual was lying, was setting them up, was going to testify and give false testimony.

I went to a connection that introduced me to Deepak. I said please get a hold of Deepak, have him—and he and his attorney look at my polygraph. I want to let you know that I‘m not taking sides...

ABRAMS: All right.

SKEETERS: ... and he did.

ABRAMS: All right.

SKEETERS: He came to my room and viewed it.

ABRAMS: All right, bottom line is he came in, he agreed to sit down with you. He talked to you. He answered questions. Did he pass the polygraph?

SKEETERS: Deepak was going to take a polygraph, but he wanted a large sum of money...

ABRAMS: (INAUDIBLE)

SKEETERS: ... he and allegedly his attorney.

ABRAMS: (INAUDIBLE)

SKEETERS: And he wanted a book deal and a movie deal and I told him I would set him up with an appointment.

ABRAMS: All right.

SKEETERS: It was at that time, Dan, that I told him that from now on, any time he and I talk, anytime whether he sees me on the phone or not on the street, I will be tape recording and videoing him at all times.

ABRAMS: All right. Here is more...

SKEETERS: They both understood that.

ABRAMS: Here is more of what Deepak had to say and this is on the question of whether—you heard Beth there talking about the possibility that Natalee was drugged. Here is what Deepak said about that.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SKEETERS: Let me ask you this, that for 25 bucks you can pay a bartender to slip your date a date rape drug in her drink. Does that happen?

DEEPAK: I never drugged someone.

SKEETERS: No, I‘m not saying you. I mean have you heard that happen?

DEEPAK: I haven‘t heard the bartender story. I know there‘s a drug called Ecstasy. I heard they slip that into drinks.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

ABRAMS: Beth, do you believe him?

TWITTY: Well you notice, he says he just hadn‘t heard the bartender story. He hadn‘t heard the bartender story. You know well I think that we have all known the story of Joran and Deepak and Satish Kalpoe and how that they (INAUDIBLE) had charges being brought against them from these young girls, these young Aruban girls who had been drugged and raped by Joran Van Der Sloot and are just now coming forward towards the end of August.

ABRAMS: Let me ask Chris Lejuez, who joins us now, who is an attorney down there. Chris, we‘re talking about this news that the Aruban authorities have released this statement, a very rare statement basically saying the investigation is ongoing, and then going on to say how someone who is a concerned party in a criminal case can file a complaint.

It sure sounds to me like they are responding—Beth can‘t comment one way or the other on whether she has filed something, but it sure sounds to me like they are responding to something that has been filed and they are basically saying it was filed the wrong way.

CHRIS LEJUEZ, ARUBAN ATTORNEY: No. No, that is not what they‘re saying. What they are saying is that we know in Aruba a very special procedure for anyone who feels that the prosecutor should prosecute, should cite someone to court, to trial. There is a special procedure if you find that the prosecutor is not doing her job right, then you can start that procedure by filing a special claim...

ABRAMS: Right.

LEJUEZ: ... in the courts of Aruba against the prosecutor to import the prosecutor to take someone to trial.

ABRAMS: Well but they‘re also very defensive in the statement where they‘re telling you how it is not supposed to be done. It is not done this way. It is not done that way. That sure sounds to me like they are saying somebody filed something in the wrong way.

LEJUEZ: No, they filed something, but they filed something else. What they filed up to now is like kind of being a victim in a criminal investigation. But not official—an official complaint that you take to the judge to let the judge decide whether or not the prosecutor should act...

ABRAMS: Yes.

LEJUEZ: ... the way that (INAUDIBLE).

ABRAMS: When I hear the public prosecutor‘s office does not have to justify its actions with regard to the persecution of criminal acts to the Minister of Justice...

LEJUEZ: They do have to justify it...

(CROSSTALK)

LEJUEZ: That‘s why we know this procedure.

ABRAMS: All right, well I‘m reading to you from their statement.

(CROSSTALK)

ABRAMS: The public prosecutor‘s office does not have to justify its actions with regard to the persecution of criminal acts to the Minister of Justice or the government of Aruba...

LEJUEZ: That‘s correct, but they do have to...

ABRAMS: Right.

LEJUEZ: They do have a responsibility towards the court.

ABRAMS: Right, but that sounds like a very defensive statement to me.

All right...

(CROSSTALK)

ABRAMS: ... Beth Holloway Twitty, we will let you go. I know you‘ve got a busy day. Thank you so much for...

TWITTY: Well thank you so much for the time.

ABRAMS: Chris Lejuez, if you can stick around for a minute because we‘re going to do...

(CROSSTALK)

ABRAMS: ... a quick legal panel on the other side of this break and talk about the question of you heard what Beth was saying about, you know you hear Deepak Kalpoe saying hey, all three us had sex with Natalee. Does that mean that they could try those three men for another crime?


(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SKEETERS: And the question I‘ll ask you is, if you intentionally killed her?

DEEPAK: No.

SKEETERS: If it was an accident, I can help all of you. And if you guys were partying, you know somebody had given her a date drug, I‘m sure she had sex with all of you.

DEEPAK: She did. You‘d be surprised how simple it was.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

ABRAMS: Deepak Kalpoe, one of the suspects in Alabama teen Natalee Holloway‘s disappearance, in an interview about the night that Natalee disappeared. The question is, could that admission lead to different kinds of charges? Could there be rape charges? Something else?

On the phone once again, Aruban attorney Chris Lejuez—he‘s represented NBC in court in Aruba as well—MSNBC analyst and former prosecutor, Susan Filan, and criminal defense attorney Michael Bachner.

All right, Chris, any potential charges as a result of that admission?

LEJUEZ: Yes, it‘s possible, but the admission as such—the tape as such is not enough to be evidence in any kind of criminal case in Aruba. But, it will help the prosecutor in the investigation. They can use it as a stepping-stone to go to a trial, but they need to have more evidence.

ABRAMS: The problem though, Susan, is that these guys‘ statements are just all over the place.

SUSAN FILAN, MSNBC LEGAL ANALYST: They are...

LEJUEZ: But these statements are...

ABRAMS: Hang on...

LEJUEZ: ... not according to our law.

ABRAMS: Let me let Susan Filan take that one. Yes.

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FILAN: And I think that‘s what is really great for the prosecution, because their statements are so vastly inconsistent between each other and amongst themselves that they‘re clearly not telling the truth. And I think he said something very key on this tape. He says if I knew where the body is I would have told somebody by now. Well I thought they said hey, we left her on the beach and she was fine, so he knows she is dead. I think that is very incriminating.

ABRAMS: I don‘t know. I mean I think at this point everyone kind of assumes—I think even the family...

FILAN: ... it‘s coming from his mouth. It‘s coming from his mouth. That‘s—he is the last person with her. He had sex with her. He‘s the last person to see her and he‘s telling us it‘s a body. That‘s very different from us all inferring well since we don‘t know where she is, she must be dead. I think it‘s very, very incriminating.

ABRAMS: Michael.

MICHAEL BACHNER, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I don‘t really agree with that. I think you‘re right, Dan. Everyone knows at this point that the young girl is dead, and he is just referring to that fact when he says if I knew where she was, I would tell you. You know and indeed, there is a spin here to be put, that in fact Deepak‘s statement really is fairly exonerating us to him.

When you think about it, if he was part of a conspiracy with the other fellow to try and hide what had done, why would he be going on tape and saying yes, we all had sex with her. It seems to me that if there was some conspiracy, they would have gotten their statements all together. They would have all kept the same story and not made that type of statement about having sex with her. You know it‘s quite possible...

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BACHNER: ... that as far as he was concerned, he had sex with her, and he doesn‘t know what happened after it. You know it‘s—I think that that statement may actually be helpful in some ways.

ABRAMS: Jamie Skeeters, let‘s be clear, he knew he was being taped or not?

SKEETERS: Yes, I have that on tape. I have it witnessed by another former FBI and Deepak himself and another citizen of Aruba.

ABRAMS: OK. You‘re saying that yes, you believe he did know he was being taped?

SKEETERS: I have that on tape...

ABRAMS: Right, OK. All right, so Susan, what of that? I mean what of the fact that he knew he was being taped and Michael Bachner is saying look, if he‘s telling the truth about having sex with Natalee, he‘s going to what, admit that he had sex with Natalee, but then he‘s going to deny that he had anything else to do with it?

FILAN: No, absolutely not. He‘s trying to get himself out of hot water. You can‘t assume that what he is saying is going to be truthful. If he was going to be truthful he would have cooperated and said the truth long by now. What is happening here though is with this statement that we all had sex with her.

If the prosecution wanted to put a case together using the mom‘s testimony about the daughter‘s character saying that this is not a girl that would have ever had sex with one stranger, let alone three and you have an admission from one of them that we all had sex with her, that does sound like gang date rape, and so it is possible to file charges. A jury would then have to decide this case on the mother‘s testimony about the daughter‘s character, but you know there is something to work with. It‘s not an absolute nothing. It‘s difficult without forensics. It‘s difficult without the body, but it‘s not a zero possibility.

ABRAMS: Very quickly, Chris, what do you make of that?

LEJUEZ: No, I don‘t believe that they can use this tape in the court

in a court of trial—in a trial. That does not constitute evidence according to Aruban law.

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LEJUEZ: If you want to use a tape, you need to have permission to tape the person. Permission has to come from a judge of instruction. They didn‘t have it. The tape has possibly, I don‘t say it is the case, but it could have been edited, it could have been changed, it could have been someone else, we don‘t know.

ABRAMS: Assume for a moment...

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ABRAMS: Chris, assume for a moment they are able to verify that it is Deepak on the tape. But let‘s assume that, you know, yes, it‘s just a little portion of it, but that they are able to verify he knew he was being taped and that it is him on the tape. You‘re still saying they couldn‘t use it in court?

LEJUEZ: Well, I would have to admit again in front of a judge here in Aruba...

ABRAMS: Yes.

LEJUEZ: ... that it was him, and that he stated—he made those statements.

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LEJUEZ: His new statements, his admissions can be accepted.

ABRAMS: All right. Chris Lejuez, Susan Filan, Michael Bachner, Jamie Skeeters, thanks a lot. Appreciate it.

[justche]

Wow, I didn't see this tonight - how did Beth respond?

i don't know, going out with 100 of your 'buddies' seems like it should be a pretty safe thing to do...


And Depak's response of "how simple it was" is so telling.....

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And there‘s some concerns of a boycott from the U.S. So they asked me my position, and my position was that, you know, I really didn‘t support it. The investigation needed to continue.
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Within Dave's words lies the answer to why he is doing the 'go along to get along' routine. "The investigation needed to continue."

It's the same reason Beth tempered her words for so long. The ALE threat of stopping the investigation.

There comes a time when you've got to decide between going along with a corrupt investigation in hopes of eventually getting answers. Or to confront the problem (ALE) head on and let the pieces fall where they may. I think Beth is about a half a step ahead of Dave on this one. I say half a step because I don't think Beth has done anything more than fire a warning shot. She's just begun to gather her weapons.

I think when the shoot out begins, Dave will be there on the front lines.

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You are absolutely correct about Deepak's statement of 'how easy it was'...very telling!

I was so angry at Megyn Kendall (correct spelling of her name) that I can't tell you exactly what Beth said. I did notice Beth got a bit red in the face for a moment before she responded. Over all, Beth was her usual self. How she kept from going ape sh*t on Megyn...I don' know. Beth is a better woman than me.

[justche]

Not a better woman, just a woman with one goal in mind.


I agree with your statement on why Dave goes along with it as well....