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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 16
Various News Outlets | 8/26/05

Posted on 08/26/2005 4:40:09 PM PDT by TexKat

Surinamese Deepak Kalpoe, 21, arrives to court in Oranjestad, Aruba, Friday, Aug. 26, 2005. Aruban police arrested Kalpoe and his brother Satish, 18, along with a third person according to government spokesman Ruben Trapenberg, saying he doesn't know if the arrests are connected to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The two brothers had been previously detained and released. (AP Photo/Pedro Famous Diaz)

Surinamese Satish Kalpoe, 18, front, gets in a car to go to court in Oranjestad, Aruba, Friday, Aug. 26, 2005. Two Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, who had been detained and released in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway were arrested again Friday based on new evidence, officials said. The brothers were detained on suspicion of involvement, with unidentified 'other people,' in premeditated murder and rape, the prosecutor's office said. Person to the right is unidentified. (AP Photo/Farrah Boekhoudt)


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To: imaketypos

Justice may be served...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1478438/posts

I wonder why the guy turned himself in?


1,581 posted on 09/06/2005 7:57:09 AM PDT by LongViewSC
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To: Fritzy; TexKat; No Surrender No Retreat; Vn_survivor_67-68; Malichi; texasbluebell; mel; ...

I want to offer a statement to the general population amongst us who thrive on the unhappiness of others. You know who you are:

"I'm glad you are reveling in our disappointment. It just goes to show the kind of person you are. I'm sure Beth's unhappiness is much more satisfying to you. Try not to gloat so much. It's really quite ugly."


1,582 posted on 09/06/2005 8:01:07 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou

Some people can dish it out, but they can't take it. Gloating is ALWAYS ugly. ALWAYS.


1,583 posted on 09/06/2005 8:20:37 AM PDT by Trust but Verify (( ))
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To: Trust but Verify; TexKat; truthluva; Dark Skies; No Surrender No Retreat; Vn_survivor_67-68

"Gloating is ALWAYS ugly. ALWAYS."

I'll remember that we agreed on this when Beth spills the beans on what really happened.

"Some people can dish it out, but they can't take it."

I have no idea what you mean. I have no problem being wrong and admitting it. I was wrong about Aruba. I thought they would suck it up and do the right thing.

OTOH, they will pay the price for that cavalier attitude. You can take that to the bank.

BTW, I don't eat ketchup! LOL! Too much sugar and I'm plenty sweet enough as I am!


1,584 posted on 09/06/2005 8:35:59 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou

You, in a moment of irrational exuberance offered me some crow, remember? THAT isn't dishing, is it?


1,585 posted on 09/06/2005 8:37:35 AM PDT by Trust but Verify (( ))
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To: Trust but Verify

You said:

"This case will never be solved. Never. The Holloways should just go home, memorialize their lost daughter, and try to go on with their lives. There is nothing they are going to be able to do to produce evidence that doesn't exist. It's unfortunate, but it's the truth."

I said:

"Do you want some ketchup? LOL. Please don't be angry! Nobody's right all the time. Your moniker suggests that you are a cautious person in some aspect, but maybe just not always in what you say. I have that problem, too."

If there's a "dish" there, please show it to me. I think maybe you meant "diss." Anyway, my so-called 'irrational exuberance' was over the fact that at least the ALE gave the PRETENSE that they were really going to investigate.

As I said, I was wrong. WRONG, do you hear me? WRONG to assume that they actually were going to DO anything about it! I - WAS - WRONG. If I can accept that, why can't you? YOU - WERE - RIGHT. They've gone free.

Why are you harranging me? Are you really so bent that you have to hear YOU - WERE - RIGHT over and over and over and over??? Sheesh! Seems like it's more important to you to be RIGHT than for this thing to ever have been handled properly. That is just TOO sad.


1,586 posted on 09/06/2005 9:02:28 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou
OK.. I am lost on this one...

With all the words.. all the insane side bar posting... all the weeping etc.. the bottom line issue:

Natalee is missing... having undergone a terrible ordeal during her last known hours..

Her Mother/Father and the "Steps" are all crushed.. with the missing daughter as well as the journey through the Aruba system (?) of justice...

Fritzy.. as one of perhaps hundreds.. will not give up on finding Natalee, or what happened to her.. or offering support and prayers for the family...

There is never a point of gloating.. but if Natalee is found or the Family finds some closing and peace.. their is a point of celebration... celebrating that God has heard our prayers.. and a reaffirmation of the value of His Grace ..
1,587 posted on 09/06/2005 9:03:19 AM PDT by Fritzy
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To: Froufrou
The title of your private mail was "Crow?"

I have learned over the years to take a measured approach to things not in my control. I'm not happy about the ending of this, but the writing has been on the wall all along.

1,588 posted on 09/06/2005 9:13:13 AM PDT by Trust but Verify (( ))
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To: All

Video at this site of Joran arriving at airport. Go to the 3rd blue box where it says latest videos.

http://www.rtl.nl/actueel/rtlnieuws/


1,589 posted on 09/06/2005 9:31:37 AM PDT by Andy'smom
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To: Trust but Verify; truthluva; Dark Skies; texasbluebell; Fritzy; TexKat; No Surrender No Retreat

Yes, and the tone was intended to be light-hearted. I don't intend to flame anyone just for disagreeing with me.

There are many people out there who have turned personal tragedy in the loss of a child into something positive. The Heidi Search Center, America's Most Wanted, the Amber Alert network, and MADD to name a few.

I don't know if I've interpreted Beth's statements correctly. But I think she has the stamina needed to make this her life's work, if she chooses to do so. Not everyone 'should just get on with their lives.' There are some people who just have to do more. And I respect that. I admire it.


1,590 posted on 09/06/2005 9:37:20 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: texasbluebell

What'd I say bluebell? Van der slut would be out of Aruba as fast as a bird flying out of a cage. However, he is NOT out of God's reach!!


1,591 posted on 09/06/2005 11:47:16 AM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us western Canuks should separate from Central Canada and join the USA. More Repubs!!)
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To: TexKat

I saw it last night TexKat. I changed the channel until it was over. Can't stand the sight of that arrogant little pr*ck with his shifty arrogant father. Criminals BOTH!!


1,592 posted on 09/06/2005 11:49:11 AM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us western Canuks should separate from Central Canada and join the USA. More Repubs!!)
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To: Canadian Outrage

Amen.


1,593 posted on 09/06/2005 12:27:45 PM PDT by Froufrou
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

She's an AIRHEAD!! No doubt about it. HOW could she be convinced that natalee is still alive? I guess because Joran is "such a good boy"!! BARF, GAG!!


1,594 posted on 09/06/2005 1:32:11 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us western Canuks should separate from Central Canada and join the USA. More Repubs!!)
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To: Yaelle

Welcome to your "new additions to the family". But time to get momma "fixed". 8 is a pretty big litter actually.


1,595 posted on 09/06/2005 1:34:35 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us western Canuks should separate from Central Canada and join the USA. More Repubs!!)
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To: Canadian Outrage

He's gone with the wind!


1,596 posted on 09/06/2005 1:40:28 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: Trust but Verify

The writing has "appeared" to be on the wall all the time BUT then nothing but nothing in this case is what it seems. God WILL not let this mother down in the end. His ways are waaaaaaaay beyond ours. I still believe that HE can do something AMAZING!!!!


1,597 posted on 09/06/2005 1:41:50 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us western Canuks should separate from Central Canada and join the USA. More Repubs!!)
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To: Froufrou

Notice how Joran VDS was released "just in time" for college?? Was that what father VDS was demanding? I pray that the Prosecutor presses sexual charges against ALL THREE of them in the next few days!! PVDS should be charged as an accessory. The man lied just like his son. Wouldn't that just be poetic justice to grab the Dutch brat before he even got assigned a seat!!!!


1,598 posted on 09/06/2005 1:50:17 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us western Canuks should separate from Central Canada and join the USA. More Repubs!!)
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To: Canadian Outrage

Depending on who you ask, there won't be any (more) justice for these three. Sounds like Alice in Wonderland.

"More justice?"

"I've not had any."

"Well, then, you can't have any less, so have some more!"


1,599 posted on 09/06/2005 1:53:44 PM PDT by Froufrou
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To: TexKat

First, I want to thank you for your tireless efforts over the course of the Natalee Holloway threads (all 16 of them). Mucho Gracias!! I haven't posted anything previously but I've followed this tragedy from the beginning (May 30 th). I'm originally from B'ham and I used to date a lot of the Mountain Brook young ladies. And I can say that none of them who were sane and sober would've ever gotten in a car with three strangers in a foreign country! NONE, NADA, ZERO, ZILCH! They have too much class and self respect.

Second - I have Six unresolved questions: What about:
1. The Aruban law that was quoted: “when a person disappears, the last person known to be in company of the missing individual is responsible and can be charged with kidnapping”? Also isn’t there a charge/crime for “an accessory to a charge/crime”?
2. The many girls/young women who supposedly came forth with allegations that Joran Van Der Sloot had raped them also? Supposedly drugs had been used during these “date rapes”, a pattern which apparently fits the likely scenario involving Natalee Holloway? Were these false leads or stories concocted by certain individuals intentionally to “muddy the waters” during the investigation and search for Natalee Holloway?
3. The alleged sex videos that had been sold and/or distributed by Joran, the Kalpoes and Freddy throughout Aruba? Were these false leads or stories concocted by certain individuals intentionally to “muddy the waters” during the investigation and search for Natalee Holloway also?
4. Doesn’t Aruba have a charge/crime and penalty for “obstruction of justice”? There are a number of individuals who are guilty of this charge/crime: Joran Van Der Sloot (VDS), Paulus VDS, the Kalpoes and Freddy.
5. Where is Natalee Holloway? The five persons named in # 4 should have been detained by the police until one or more of them disclosed exactly what happened to Natalee Holloway! In my book a failure to talk or give testimony is equivalent to “contempt of court” where the person refusing to talk can be held in jail indefinitely!
6. When will (if ever) the file (leads, tips, searches, evidence, etc., etc.) on the Natalee Holloway case be released to the Twittys/Holloways? In what media form? Will this file ever be released to the public and the media; i.e., does Aruba have an Freedom of Information act or rule? Will it be a complete file or a redacted version or only selected portions as determined by the Aruban judicial system?

Can anyone supply me with the answers to any or all of these questions?

Third: Where is "Dirty Harry" when you really need him? The Natalee Holloway case is almost deja vu "Sudden Impact". Harry Callahan and Jennifer Spencer (Sondra Locke) took on the hoodlums who had gang raped Jennifer and her sister years earlier and rectified all previous injustices.

Thanks again TexKat and all of the other Freepers who contributed info and constructive opinions over the past three months.

Ace


1,600 posted on 09/06/2005 4:45:17 PM PDT by Ace
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