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Secondhand smoke costs nearly $10 billion in U.S.-study
Reuters ^ | 8/17/05

Posted on 08/17/2005 4:05:01 PM PDT by Crackingham

The effects of secondhand smoke in the United States cost nearly $10 billion every year, according to a study released on Wednesday. The Society of Actuaries said that the direct costs of secondhand smoke exposure are $4.98 billion, including expenses related to the treatment of heart disease, chronic pulmonary disease, lung cancer, asthma and other sicknesses. The study also detailed indirect costs of $4.68 billion, stemming from lost wages, reduced services and costs associated with disabilities.

"While the health effects of secondhand smoke are reduced in comparison to active smoking, the number of people exposed is so large that the costs are substantial," Society of Actuaries fellow Donald Behan said in a statement.

The group measured the costs by examining more than 200 studies that have been published since 1964 on the effects of environmental tobacco smoke.


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To: Eastbound

Damn, you just won't die will you. Have you no respect for statistics????

LOL. :-)


41 posted on 08/17/2005 9:01:47 PM PDT by planekT
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To: planekT
Heh. I remember the saying, 'There are liars, damn liars, and then there are statisticians.' Used to know who said that, but I think smoking all those years has started effecting my memory. ;>

Also like this quote:

"The problem arises when people use statistics like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support instead of for illumination."

Don't know who said that, but it's a good one.

Kidding aside, I think there may be something to the strength of group beliefs. Everyone in the belief supporting and re-inforcing whatever the belief is adds power to it.

Of course, it should be said that the belief in something is not the same as knowing something for sure.

42 posted on 08/17/2005 9:29:27 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: Eastbound; Admin Moderator

Just noticed that we're in the SMOKEY BACK ROOM on this topic. Hahaha. Vewwy appropriate, Mod.


43 posted on 08/17/2005 9:34:51 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: planekT; SheLion; Gabz; Just another Joe
I forget to finish the paragraph in my reply regarding beliefs. Lemme finish it here just for the the record:

The power of group beliefs can best be illustrated by those who believe in voodoo. If you are of that persuasion, you're gonna die if you find out one of your enemies started sticking pins in a doll made in your likeness, so I've read somewhere.

Makes me wonder if some extreme anti-smokers aren't sitting around their candle-lit circle sticking cigarette butts in dolls made in the likeness of a smoker that dared light up in their presence.

44 posted on 08/17/2005 9:47:59 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: planekT

"You can't tell me that being exposed to occasional second hand smoke will kill you."

I'm sure it happens. What I doubt is that there are meaningful statistics around how often, yet people toss around numbers like they are more than just guesses by some unknown "expert". It is an example of how urban myths become reality in people's minds.


45 posted on 08/17/2005 9:59:36 PM PDT by Owl558 (Pwease pardan my speling)
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To: Owl558

..."You can't tell me that being exposed to occasional second hand smoke will kill you."...

"I'm sure it happens".

You're sure? I bet you can't site one instance.


46 posted on 08/17/2005 10:03:30 PM PDT by planekT
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To: WideGlide

Agreed.


47 posted on 08/17/2005 10:04:03 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Member since December 1998)
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To: Crackingham; Just another Joe; CSM; lockjaw02; Publius6961; elkfersupper; metesky; Mears; ...

Here we go again....................


48 posted on 08/18/2005 5:57:28 AM PDT by Gabz (Smoking ban supporters are in favor of the Kelo ruling.)
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To: Gabz

I can see it's already been relegated to the Smokey Backroom...and I can see some posts that tell me why. *eyes rolling*


49 posted on 08/18/2005 6:28:19 AM PDT by exnavychick (I need a new tagline...any suggestions?)
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To: Gabz

Nope - I am not reading this trash "science" anymore.


50 posted on 08/18/2005 6:32:12 AM PDT by patton ("Hard Drive Cemetary" - forthcoming best seller)
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To: patton

Did you get a gander at the science in post #31?

It would be laugh out loud funny if so many didn't buy into it.


51 posted on 08/18/2005 6:34:39 AM PDT by exnavychick (I need a new tagline...any suggestions?)
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To: exnavychick

I think it may have been put in the SBR from the very beginning.....because I never saw it until very late after getting a ping.


52 posted on 08/18/2005 6:34:45 AM PDT by Gabz (Smoking ban supporters are in favor of the Kelo ruling.)
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To: patton
How's the ankle this morning?

I knew you would understand my pinging you :)

53 posted on 08/18/2005 6:35:52 AM PDT by Gabz (Smoking ban supporters are in favor of the Kelo ruling.)
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To: Gabz

I think that the Admin Mod or JeanS said that JR yanked it back here.

Irrelevant, anyway. :) Get that cast off yet?


54 posted on 08/18/2005 6:38:32 AM PDT by exnavychick (I need a new tagline...any suggestions?)
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To: JeanS
Then as a mod...why in the world is this forum experiencing so many 'vanity' threads. So many are posted by those that have joined in the last two years.

The first 4 years I was here, I posted >9500 articles/op-eds regarding administration/congressional edicts/polices/legislation, the military, the foreign community. Even then these articles, that were within the FR mission statement realm, were totally lost in the sea of vanity threads. Currently it's much worst now. Why is that allowed?

55 posted on 08/18/2005 6:43:56 AM PDT by Stand Watch Listen
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To: exnavychick

The cast came on on Tuesday - but I still am stuck with crutches and am not yet allowed to drive :(


56 posted on 08/18/2005 6:48:56 AM PDT by Gabz (Smoking ban supporters are in favor of the Kelo ruling.)
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To: Utmost Certainty

"Take that sh*t somewhere else."

That's a fair demand on property that you own. If you don't own the property, then your obligated to find an area more suitable to your desires. Let the property owner decide this issue.


57 posted on 08/18/2005 6:50:17 AM PDT by CSM ( If the government has taken your money, it has fulfilled its Social Security promises. (dufekin))
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To: Gabz

I'm sorry...what a bummer! Hopefully, you'll get the all clear, soon.

Did you check out the link at #31?


58 posted on 08/18/2005 6:52:44 AM PDT by exnavychick (I need a new tagline...any suggestions?)
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To: exnavychick

The guy that runs the site at #31 is a total crackpot..............I've been dealing with him since before I ever heard of FR :(

He's a total one note joke - EVERYTHING wrong on the face of thsi planet is because of smoking.........and no he is not using absurdity to show how idiotic the antis are - he acturally, really and truly believes the crapola he spouts. And sadly so do a lot of others.........


59 posted on 08/18/2005 6:59:48 AM PDT by Gabz (Smoking ban supporters are in favor of the Kelo ruling.)
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To: Gabz

Thanks for the ping. I would never have seen this important study since it was relegated to doom in the SBR.

Let's see, $10B is the supposed cost. 300 million US residents. 25% smoke. On average a smoker smokes a pack a day. Taxes drive the cost from about $1-1.20 to about $5 a pack. Now, lets do the math. 300M*.25*365*($5-1.2)=$104B.

Looks like society is making $94B off smokers......They should promote more direct smoking to pay for the second hand smoke exposure costs.


60 posted on 08/18/2005 7:01:48 AM PDT by CSM ( If the government has taken your money, it has fulfilled its Social Security promises. (dufekin))
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