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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 4
Link to previous Natalee Holloway Thread ^ | 6/30/05 | freepers

Posted on 06/30/2005 8:31:27 AM PDT by stlnative

Previous FR Natalee Holloway Threads...

Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3
Posted on 06/23/2005 12:44:51 PM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1429067/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Ariel/Satellite Map of Aruba
http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=12.564583,-70.035954&spn=0.089264,0.123081&z=4&t=k&hl=en

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

Online TV Show Links


Shortcuts...

PVDS = Paulus (Paul) van der Sloot (Joran's Father)
AVDS = Anita van der Sloot (Joran's Mother)
JVDS = Joran van der Sloot - 17 year old suspect
DK = Deepak Kalpoe - 21 year old suspect
SK = Satish Kalpoe - 19 year old suspect
MSM = Main Stream Media
Beth or BT = Beth Twitty  (Natalee's Mother)
Jug or JT = Jug Twitty (Natalee's Step-Father - married to Beth)
Nat or NH = Natalee Holloway
GVS = Greta Van Susteren (FOX)
VDS = van der Sloot
LE = Law Enforcement
SG or SG's = Security Guards
MJ = Mickey John's (Security Guard)
SC = Steve Croes (Boat Deejay)
CC = Charles Croes (Owns Rental Cell Phone Co)
BOR = Bill O'Reilly (FOX)
NG = Nancy Grace (CNN)
HNN = Headline News Network
CNN = Cable News Network


Show/Interview Transcripts

Former Aruba Suspect Alleges Plot!
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 28, 2005

Transcript: Greta in Aruba
INTERVIEW WITH NADIRA RAMIREZ, SATISH AND DEEPAK KALPOE'S MOTHER
INTERVIEW WITH ANITA VAN DER SLOOT BEFORE PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT IS ARRESTED
INTERVIEW WITH RUFO SOLOGNIER, STEVE CROES' UNCLE
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 23, 2005

Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005

Beth Twitty: 'My Daughter Has Been Kidnapped'
This is a partial transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," June 22, 2005

Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005

Natalee's Mother Won't Leave Without Her
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 20, 2005

Natalee's Stepfather Holds Out Hope
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 16, 2005

Holloway's Mother: 'My Daughter is Alive'
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 15, 2005

Tragic Trip?
This is a partial transcript from "The O'Reilly Factor," June 15, 2005

Searching for Natalee
This is a partial transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," June 8, 2005

'On the Record' Exclusive
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 7, 2005


Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.


PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)



I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE


Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine - as well simple links to the pictures)


This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.




TOPICS: Heated Discussion
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To: TexKat

see post 557.......might be the other guy she had dinner with...


581 posted on 07/01/2005 9:04:24 AM PDT by toldyou
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To: Howlin

I hope you get to view that interview, it (splains) all as to this (CF)NSNR


582 posted on 07/01/2005 9:10:11 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: doc

Right on - nothing allowed to interfere with the express service directly to the Dutch drug cafes.


583 posted on 07/01/2005 9:12:09 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Newbie, PhD. Tenure allows you to stay put it does not allow you to evict others.)
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To: toldyou
Comment from Riehl World:

Riehl World

Trent Lott is discussing this case right now on Fox! Trent Lott also knows a lot more than he divulges. He is calling for the FBI to investigate.

He knows it must involve white slavery, drugs, international concerns for the FBI to "take the case over."

People like Trent, Richard Shelby and Condi Rice are not sticking out their necks to assure Joran is prosecuted. He's small potatoes in the overall scheme of things.

Posted by: proudredneck | July 1, 2005 09:39 AM

584 posted on 07/01/2005 9:24:40 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: beyond the sea
Yes, she could put a face on my face. ;-) ***** Check out this (look at those EYES): http://www.promes-vandoorne.com/bio_en_16.asp

Yes, they are bedroom eyes!

585 posted on 07/01/2005 9:25:08 AM PDT by '61 Libertarian
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To: TexKat

WOW!


586 posted on 07/01/2005 9:27:04 AM PDT by toldyou
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To: HoHoeHeaux
This family needs a Mark Fuhrman.

A well-funded private investigation with someone like Mark Fuhrman can often uncover more and solve tough cases better than law enforcement. Law enformcement has so many rules/limitations, personalities, politics, etc. that their hands are tied. I think that this case is going to have to be solved via the private route. Hopefully with someone as talented as Mark Fuhrman.

587 posted on 07/01/2005 9:34:08 AM PDT by '61 Libertarian
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To: toldyou
told you see if you can find a transcript from Channel 13 Birmingham from earlier this week. I recall a monkey from SM posting that one of the students on the trip was interviewed on Channel 13 and that one of the students had a video of that last night and Joran was in the video.

Comment from Riehl World:

Riehl World

Has the guy that Natalee had dinner with the last night at C&C ever identified? It was on the video that Beth has. That's how she could identify Joran immediately. But the person N. had dinner with was NOT Joran. Joran came in later.

588 posted on 07/01/2005 9:35:23 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

If the Aruban drug dealers are involved in N's disappearance, should we consider that perhaps Joran, Deepak & Satish are being held under a phony Witness Protection Program?

Ok hand me the tinfoil;)

sp


589 posted on 07/01/2005 9:58:28 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Newbie, PhD. Tenure allows you to stay put it does not allow you to evict others.)
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To: TexKat

To: TexKat

I haven't seen that transcript, but I'll look. Here's a comment from "Country Moon", a classmate of Natalee's, who participates on SM. She/he appears to be very intelligent, according to his/her posts.


Country Moon Says:
June 29th, 2005 at 10:44 am
The chaperones that were there did all the head counts, did all of the checking rooms, and monitored everything that they possibly could. The ratio of us to them though was us winning by a mile. We were out to all hours of the night. We had this false sense that the island was totally safe. That is the impression that everyone who lives there gives you. They try to make you feel like its all about you and your time there. Night life there is so up beat and exciting.
We all were a few sheets to the wind at C&C’s, all of us who were there, and that is our faults and we live with that guilt now every day. No one in our group here saw her leave the bar, but had we not been intoxicated I know we all would have used much better judgement and said something.
We were dispersed all over the place in Aruba. The beach, the bar, the pool, the hotel……if a person was not with one group it was thought that “Oh they must be with another”. Another bad call on our part…


590 posted on 07/01/2005 10:01:15 AM PDT by toldyou
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To: sodpoodle

That may not be such a tinfoil thought at all. I wondered if Joran and Natalee were on the beach and saw something go down that they shouldn't have. He ran off and left her. Maybe that's when she tripped.


591 posted on 07/01/2005 10:01:45 AM PDT by freeperfromnj
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To: BunnySlippers; Jrabbit

I had heard that Jug was in insurance in some way FWIW.

Jug Twitty is branch manager for Phoenix Metals; Phoenix Metals is a subsidary of Reliance Steel & Aluminum. That probably explains his ties to McWane, who is also in the metal business. (McWane furnished the private jet...) I've read that Dave Holloway is or was in the insurance business.

592 posted on 07/01/2005 10:02:02 AM PDT by elli1
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To: elli1

Dave Holloway was in insurance when he lived in our neck of the woods a few years back. He probably still is.


593 posted on 07/01/2005 10:04:51 AM PDT by truthluva
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To: toldyou
From comment from Riehl World:

Riehl World

K.Jeanne, you are thinking now. Yes, all raves require a DJ. Ruben Trapenberg was once a DJ. Steve Croes is a DJ and sometimes security guards at rave parties wear black clothes and carry cell phones.

Do you think Natalee refused to attend the rave party and needed a "ride out of sight" and the host was not willing to accept her putting him down.

He did, after all, buy her dinner a couple times.

Posted by: proudredneck | July 1, 2005 10:04 AM

594 posted on 07/01/2005 10:07:53 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: truthluva
Dave Holloway was in insurance when he lived in our neck of the woods a few years back. He probably still is.

Allstate Insurance.

595 posted on 07/01/2005 10:08:52 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: truthluva

"Dave Holloway was in insurance when he lived in our neck of the woods a few years back. He probably still is."


State Farm Insurance



596 posted on 07/01/2005 10:15:16 AM PDT by Andy'smom
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To: TexKat

No. State Farm.


597 posted on 07/01/2005 10:15:38 AM PDT by truthluva
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To: TexKat
comment From Rhiel World:

Rhiel World

Lorenzo is NOT the illigitimate son of vds... please! I knew his father personally and if you could compare the two of them on a picture you see the resemblance... Do me a favor, don't go to far in your speculations.. some of them really are just a waste of time.....and even hurtful. What if your name appeared here all of a sudden claiming that you're the son of somebody else while you have your dads' DNA in your jeans... enn genes. Posted by: dolores | July 1, 2005 10:23 AM

598 posted on 07/01/2005 10:19:06 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Andy'smom; truthluva

Tks for the correction. I thought it was one of those States. :)


599 posted on 07/01/2005 10:20:11 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: truthluva; Andy'smom

I've read that he was with State Farm years ago but don't know about now.


600 posted on 07/01/2005 10:24:21 AM PDT by elli1
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