Posted on 06/30/2005 8:31:27 AM PDT by stlnative
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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3
Posted on 06/23/2005 12:44:51 PM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1429067/posts
Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts
Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts
Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts
Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts
Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts
Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts
Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts
Aruba Info...
Ariel/Satellite Map of Aruba
http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=12.564583,-70.035954&spn=0.089264,0.123081&z=4&t=k&hl=en
Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif
Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif
San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif
Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)
Hotel Pictures -
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)
Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1
Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1
Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg
Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html
Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif
Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)
Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/
Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html
Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html
Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)
Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/
Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923
Online TV Show Links
Shortcuts...
PVDS = Paulus (Paul) van der Sloot (Joran's Father)
AVDS = Anita van der Sloot (Joran's Mother)
JVDS = Joran van der Sloot - 17 year old suspect
DK = Deepak Kalpoe - 21 year old suspect
SK = Satish Kalpoe - 19 year old suspect
MSM = Main Stream Media
Beth or BT = Beth Twitty (Natalee's Mother)
Jug or JT = Jug Twitty (Natalee's Step-Father - married to Beth)
Nat or NH = Natalee Holloway
GVS = Greta Van Susteren (FOX)
VDS = van der Sloot
LE = Law Enforcement
SG or SG's = Security Guards
MJ = Mickey John's (Security Guard)
SC = Steve Croes (Boat Deejay)
CC = Charles Croes (Owns Rental Cell Phone Co)
BOR = Bill O'Reilly (FOX)
NG = Nancy Grace (CNN)
HNN = Headline News Network
CNN = Cable News Network
Show/Interview Transcripts
Former Aruba Suspect Alleges Plot!
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 28, 2005
Transcript: Greta in Aruba
INTERVIEW WITH NADIRA RAMIREZ, SATISH AND DEEPAK KALPOE'S MOTHER
INTERVIEW WITH ANITA VAN DER SLOOT BEFORE PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT IS ARRESTED
INTERVIEW WITH RUFO SOLOGNIER, STEVE CROES' UNCLE
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 23, 2005
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005
Beth Twitty: 'My Daughter Has Been Kidnapped'
This is a partial transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," June 22, 2005
Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005
Natalee's Mother Won't Leave Without Her
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 20, 2005
Natalee's Stepfather Holds Out Hope
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 16, 2005
Holloway's Mother: 'My Daughter is Alive'
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 15, 2005
Tragic Trip?
This is a partial transcript from "The O'Reilly Factor," June 15, 2005
Searching for Natalee
This is a partial transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," June 8, 2005
'On the Record' Exclusive
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 7, 2005
Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif
The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long
B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.
D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse - the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.
D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.
G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located
D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives
F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.
C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.
E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.
PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.
I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.
This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.
Examples
Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif
or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)
I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE
Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine - as well simple links to the pictures)
This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.
sushi mannan -Papiamento
vuil handen -Dutch
mãos sujas -Portuguese
manos sucias-Spanish
Thanks, dead end.
sw
gorgeous girl on Greta.
My respect for Greta grows and grows. Even if she is part of a crazy cult. She is very good.
Goodnight, good people. Prayer for Beth to stay strong.
sw
Yes, everyone here is of one mind in this.
That's a powerful lot of love.
I crack up when NG pronounces it Kal-pooey.
So, stepdad says Equasearch is welcome to come search the property. Alrighty then.
He's mad at the media....understandable. He should be po'd that VDS got to visit his son, but he's been denied a visit with his step-sons. Has the mom been able to see them?
Yes, it is sad Peach. However I believe there are bigger fish in this also.
This is one person's(on scaredmonkeys) interpretation of the "clues":
subdude Says:
June 30th, 2005 at 1:08 am
southernbelle: Play with fire and fingers get burned. Joran/Kalpoes wanted to be little gangster/drug lord/pimps but got in over their heads and NH got kidnapped by the Mansur/Lorenzo Van Rijn group. . . .Dirty Hands polis chief knew the group and was in on profits from the ring (knew his way around the maze) but was not in on this particular “bad” thing — perhaps kidnapping, rape, etc…
I used to teach high school Latin. Many, many years ago. The language is even "deader" now.
IIRC, there were several words for "dirty". Among them were, I think, "sordeo", "sorditus", and "squalidus".
"Dirty hands" could be "manusorditus" or "manusqualidus".
I have another question. If sweet Natalee was killed at the beach,(as some have speculated) how could anyone remove her body from the scene? I've been in Aruba several times and there was always someone on the beach in the hotel zone, no matter the time. To access the road from the beach, one would have to go through the hotel property (many witnesses), usually right through the lobbies. To remove a body from the beach would probably require a nearby boat. I think the poor girl probably died in Joran's apt.
Many secrets in Aruba. I agree with your opinion of feeling a sense of "evil" on the island. I felt the same thing on our last trip there. Probably nonsense, but I did feel it and cannot explain it. I had the same experience in a city in Brazil, Foz do Iguacu, a stunningly beautiful place, but
weird vibes.
The guy from Toronto who interpreted Shango's writing seems to think that Dirty Hands is Van Straatenm, the chief of police, and the Arawak Chief is Obudar, the PM of Aruba.
Interesting, all around.
Found this site if anyone believes that psychics have answers. Every psychic has a different "vision!"
http://www.underworldtales.com/aruba2.htm
I posted this and a bunch of other posts on this topic but Nita Nupress posted the original post tieing it all together. The Island is bought and paid for by Casa Nostra and their descendents. These are reallly bad people.
I thought the Arawaks were extinct!
Reading that makes me very happy that I don't have "second sight". I've lived long enough to have unanswered questions about such things. I also say "blah-poohey" to most of them. "Most" being the qualifying word here.
I am feeling so discouraged today for the Holloway-Twitty family..........depressed, actually.
I'm thinking that if we can't stand on our feet any longer, we should try a bended knee.
Perhaps the very old guard inhabitants of Aruba are only too happy to let the present suspects (including PVDS)take any sort of rap just to get the nightmare over with -- and to take the limelight off any clandestine operations in the area.
FWIW...I'm going to bed:
• Babalú Says:
June 27th, 2005 at 12:30 am
Concerned
No, I guess he is head of some local official corps. He is the guy that knows everything and that has been in the house of Babylonians NOT seeking pleasure for himself, so Shango says. So maybe he went to search for Natalee and he is the chief of Polis.
• drax Says:
June 27th, 2005 at 10:30 pm
Young Babylonians and Shivas do not build sand castles=
they weren’t on the beach?
• Lucy Says:
June 27th, 2005 at 10:56 pm
Someone said last night that Dirty Hand was somebody in the police.
• Yliana Says:
June 28th, 2005 at 12:34 am
There are many ‘country’ houses where parties are held. And these houses are not really mazes but have different rooms where things can happen
• subdude Says:
June 28th, 2005 at 12:34 am
Big Pappy: Good man. What’s the risk, a little egg on the face? Well worth the chance of helping.
Babylonians are Dutch because Dutch legal system in Aruba, I beleive.
Arawaks are Arubans. Children of Babylonians could be Dutch kids meeting with Arubans “under cover of delusion” — thinking they are not noticed. I am struggling — just spit balling.
These are the posts he mentions as "correct". Again, FWIW.
Night All.
"I am feeling so discouraged today for the Holloway-Twitty family..........depressed, actually."
I worry about my kids, and I just cannot imagine what that family is going through. It is heartbreaking.
My older daughter, husband, and three children left Sunday on a cruise to Bermuda. She emailed me Monday and Tuesday morning...even called Tuesday morning to tell me they were all going out on a snorkeling excursion that afternoon. When I didn't get an email yesterday (Wed.) morning, I panicked, but finally heard from her around 3 pm. I was so relieved.
I told my 30 year old about it later. She's getting married next year. She said, "Mom, you better not call me on my honeymoon!"
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