Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 4

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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3
Posted on 06/23/2005 12:44:51 PM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1429067/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Ariel/Satellite Map of Aruba
http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=12.564583,-70.035954&spn=0.089264,0.123081&z=4&t=k&hl=en

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures - 
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

Online TV Show Links

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Shortcuts...

PVDS = Paulus (Paul) van der Sloot (Joran's Father)
AVDS = Anita van der Sloot (Joran's Mother)
JVDS = Joran van der Sloot - 17 year old suspect
DK = Deepak Kalpoe - 21 year old suspect
SK = Satish Kalpoe - 19 year old suspect
MSM = Main Stream Media
Beth or BT = Beth Twitty  (Natalee's Mother)
Jug or JT = Jug Twitty (Natalee's Step-Father - married to Beth)
Nat or NH = Natalee Holloway
GVS = Greta Van Susteren (FOX)
VDS = van der Sloot
LE = Law Enforcement
SG or SG's = Security Guards
MJ = Mickey John's (Security Guard)
SC = Steve Croes (Boat Deejay)
CC = Charles Croes (Owns Rental Cell Phone Co)
BOR = Bill O'Reilly (FOX)
NG = Nancy Grace (CNN)
HNN = Headline News Network
CNN = Cable News Network

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Show/Interview Transcripts

Former Aruba Suspect Alleges Plot!
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 28, 2005

Transcript: Greta in Aruba
INTERVIEW WITH NADIRA RAMIREZ, SATISH AND DEEPAK KALPOE'S MOTHER
INTERVIEW WITH ANITA VAN DER SLOOT BEFORE PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT IS ARRESTED
INTERVIEW WITH RUFO SOLOGNIER, STEVE CROES' UNCLE
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 23, 2005

Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005

Beth Twitty: 'My Daughter Has Been Kidnapped'
This is a partial transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," June 22, 2005

Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005

Natalee's Mother Won't Leave Without Her
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 20, 2005

Natalee's Stepfather Holds Out Hope
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 16, 2005

Holloway's Mother: 'My Daughter is Alive'
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 15, 2005

Tragic Trip?
This is a partial transcript from "The O'Reilly Factor," June 15, 2005

Searching for Natalee
This is a partial transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," June 8, 2005

'On the Record' Exclusive
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 7, 2005

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Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

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I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

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Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine - as well simple links to the pictures)

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This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

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Aruba May Prosecute in Missing Teen Case

Thursday June 30, 2005 6:46 PM


AP Photo ARU101

By PETER PRENGAMAN

Associated Press Writer

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) - Aruba's attorney general said Thursday she could prosecute a case in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway even if the Alabama teenager's body is not found.

Caren Janssen also said investigators have found no evidence to suggest that the 18-year-old Holloway, who disappeared May 30, was dead.

``There are no traces or facts to come to the conclusion that Natalee is no longer alive,'' Attorney General Caren Janssen told The Associated Press in a telephone interview.

``But that doesn't mean we can't prosecute without a body. It's difficult but not impossible.''

Three young men remain in custody in Holloway's disappearance, but none has been charged.

Aruban officials have said previously a murder conviction is possible without a body, but the case requires strong evidence such as a confession, reliable statements and forensic evidence of wrongdoing. Aruba is a Dutch protectorate and as such operates under Dutch law.

Janssen declined to reveal Thursday what other evidence investigators might have.

Massive searches by FBI agents, Dutch Marines, Aruban police and thousands of islanders have produced no trace of Holloway, who was celebrating her graduation from high school in Mountain Brook, Ala., when she disappeared.

Dutch teenager Joran van der Sloot, 17, and his friends, Surinamese brothers Deepak Kalpoe, 21, and Satish Kalpoe, 18, were the last people seen with Holloway the night she vanished. The three were questioned in the days after the disappearance but were not arrested until June 9.

Two other men detained in the case - van der Sloot's father, Paul, and party boat disc jockey Steven Croes - have been released.

Holloway's stepfather, George ``Jug'' Twitty, said the family was not surprised by Janssen's comments and was not losing hope the truth would be found.

``We may have no physical evidence, but there is a lot of other evidence of what may have happened in this case,'' Twitty told the AP.

Janssen, who has been tightlipped during the investigation, said she had decided to speak out because ``there has been so much misinformation in the American press.''

``I'm the lead prosecutor and I want to show that we are not a bunch of cowboys here,'' she said.

Janssen declined to be more specific about what she believed had been reported inaccurately.

Paul van der Sloot, an island judicial official, was arrested June 23 but released a few days later when a judge ruled there was not enough evidence to hold him.

Janssen said the elder van der Sloot gave his son and the Kalpoe brothers legal advice, telling them that ``without a body there is no case.''

``He confirmed to me that he told them that a few days after she disappeared,'' Janssen told the AP.

Janssen also alleged Paul van der Sloot, a 52-year-old judge in training in Aruba, obstructed authorities' investigation by asking one of his son's friends, who had been interrogated, what he told police.

But Janssen said Paul van der Sloot was detained for being a suspect in the disappearance, not for obstructing the investigation.

Calls to the van der Sloot residence Thursday seeking comment were not answered.

A group of volunteer rescuers from Texas, which began searches Saturday, began a partial pullout from Aruba on Wednesday, with nine of the 27 volunteers returning home. But the group said it planned to bring in replacements for those who had left.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5109596,00.html

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Older men ARE hot! Besides, I have a feeling you keep him young, brigette..

[sodpoodle]

PA

This is the 4th thread of what was originally a very thorough dissection of all known and likely facts surrounding the disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba.

Recently, it has become a hotbed of quite a few pre and post menopausal women who need chastisement. I thought you could do it.

Serenely
sp (status premarin)

[Wayfarer]

"But Janssen said Paul van der Sloot was detained for being a suspect in the disappearance, not for obstructing the investigation."

And yet, during his detention he was NOT interrogated by police. He made (1) initial statement to police upon his arrest, and that was it. In my opinion his arrest was a ruse. An appeasement of sorts.

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lol...

[TexKat]

In agreeance with you.

[spectre]

"I'm the lead prosecutor and I want to show that we are not a bunch of cowboys here,´´ she said."

What a slap in the face to American Justice. What a witch who has no real intention of ever prosecuting this case.

sw

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Yes .. she told Greta that because they lived so long with their grandmother, they called her "Momma" too, and felt it was only fair that they visit their other Momma, too. There's a story there.

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Cell phones have had embedded GPS chips (which can calculate your coordinates to within a few yards by receiving signals from satellites) for years now. The chip is switched on whenever your handset is powered up and is always ready to transmit your location data back to a wireless carrier's computers.

[monkeywrench]

"``I'm the lead prosecutor and I want to show that we are not a bunch of cowboys here, she said."

Too bad. They'd have had this case solved if there were a few cowboys among them.

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just paint him green, dress him in black and add some bolts to his neck!

[monkeywrench]

And, now, he is allowed to see joran. Why?

[spectre]

OK..we'll behave.

mark fuhrman is a hottie...

sw

[TexKat]

I STILL can't make heads or tails of it.

I believe there is a post on the last thread in English regarding Renee.

[sodpoodle]

I heard that;)

Mark Fuhrman was railroaded at the OJ trial. He was brilliant. Just shows you what a diversionary tactic can do at trial.

and he is hotter than a pepper sprout.

sp

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checking my "inbox" - no Charles yet!

[demkicker]

...because the kids at the hotel said they saw Natalee get into a taxi, after saying she was going back to the hotel. Natalee probably believed she was getting into a taxi.

OMG! I bet the farm that's exactly what she thought! The Kalpoes drove up and were in the front and Joran escorted her to the back seat as if he's riding in the cab too!

Congrats, monkeywrench, I haven't seen that theory here before and think you've nailed it!

[spectre]

100% right on! :)