Posted on 06/19/2005 9:33:26 PM PDT by Lady In Blue
Pope set to return to traditional liturgy:-
VATICAN CITY | June 19, 2005 5:11:27 AM IST
Pope Benedict XVI wants to restore the traditional ceremonial Mass in St. Peter's Basilica, with Latin instead of the vernacular and Gregorian chants.
Vatican expert Sandro Magister reported in his weekly newsletter Saturday that the pope is expected to replace Archbishop Pietro Marini, his predecessor Pope John Paul II's master of liturgical ceremonies.
Whoever follows Marini will have orders to restore the traditional style and choreography of papal ceremonies in St. Peter's.
Out will go the international Masses so dear to Pope John Paul II's heart, with such innovations as Latin American and African rhythms and even dancing, multi-lingual readings and children in national costumes bringing gifts to the altar.
Pope Benedict wants to return to the Sistine Chapel choirs singing Gregorian chant and the church music of such composers as Claudio Monteverdi from the 17th century. He also wants to revive the Latin Mass.
Archbishop Marini always planned the ceremonies with television in mind, Magister said, and that emphasis will remain. A decade ago the Vatican set up a system for transmitting papal ceremonies world wide via multiple satellites.
(UPI)
You've hit the nail on the head. Thank the Lord for Mother Angelica!
The Catholic Church has largely dropped the ball on the pro-life issues. I don't care how empty the churches may get, the truth must be told at all times.
You said it didn't matter how Mass was said, but what was preached, to determine what a man believes.
I argue that a man who prays sloppily will believe sloppily. So it does matter how Mass is said.
And this has nothing to do with language, but everything to do with what is said and how those saying it go about doing it.
For example, taking Holy Communion in the hand as opposed to on the tongue will perforce make a number of determinations about ones beliefs concerning this Most August Sacrament.
When he fires Bernard Law, maybe the non RC world will take him seriously.
He won't "fire" Cardinal Law. Cardinal Law has retired from active ministry. My suggestion is that non-Catholics mine their own business. Catholics,speaking for myself, don't care one bit if they take him "seriously." His authority does not rest on the "non-RC"world.
Some that come to mind: Andre the giant in The Princess Bride learned enough phonetic English to play his role. Same with a certain Japanese woman who sang the part of Eponine in Les Miserable; she's on the CD that I have.
Maybe I am mistaken, but doesn't he still have a position within the Vatican?
What have I told you about that kosher wine? Moderation is always a good idea.
No, actually, you make exactly my point. It's meaningless to say, "Any priest can say the Latin Mass" when the truth is that the preconditions of saying the mass (that no-one can partake) are the same preconditions placed on defricked pedophiles.
That's the sort of "freedom of worship" that The Religion Of Peace offers.
Yeah, I think there's no major agreement here. I do agree that the liturgy does not need to be said in Latin, but I'm not sure that's the point behind the Tridentines. I take it theoir point is twofold:
The New Order mass is radically different from the Tridentine Mass regardless of what language it is.
The fact that the New Order mass has been translated into English in a way which abets innumerable heresies demonstrates the need for traditionalism: to maintain authenticity in an age of unspeakable corruption.
While I disagree with their conclusion, that only the Tridentine mass should be licit, I do think that those are two radically important points to be made.
Well, certainly true, unfortunately. Though he was a blasphemous little heretic, he didn't deserve to die for it.
That's right. I would do a lot better at the N.O. masses if the homilist didn't speak in English.:o)
I agree that the translation of Anima Christi which you post is a terrible one. But I've never heard the likes of it before in my life, after spending years notorious dioceses such as Boston, New York, Rockville Center, Albany, Scranton and Richmond. What I've heard is much close to your retranslation, and is what is usually published in the nearly uniquitous "Oregon Press" missals, hymnals and missallettes which are the bane of all conservatives with good taste.
As to the Salve Regina:
Show us UNTO does a pretty good job of reflecting connoting "pointing out," if you ask me.
Quibbling for "Salutation" over "hail" seems silly. And while "holy" is not a separate word in "Salve regina," the use of Salve suggests holy. Call it a poetic lisence, helpful for meter, that is 100% proper.
As for "gracious" and "poor" being added: Yes, they were. So what? They help the poetry, and they are correct.
As for the ICEL translation of the Apostle's Creed: I agree. I can't wait for Una Voce to be implemented.
About the Law's position in Rome:
As I understand it:
Cardinals were originally priests of Rome. To this day, every Cardinal is still assigned a Church in Rome which he is the formal pastor of, and of which a vicar normally runs, Cardinal Law was Cardinal of the diocese which was considered the eldest-daughter of Rome in America, and as such, received a plum assignment: that of St. Mary Major, one of nine churches whose pastor says a eulogy for a deceased Pope.
When Cardinal Law was stripped of his administerial duties for mismanagement, he retained his position of pastor of St. Mary Major, and so it was to there he "retired."
Although the news media regarded his position in the Vatican as if it were some honor he were given after his retirement, it is in truth a position he obtained apon being made Cardinal of Boston.
Actually, there may be no higher priorities. Making the Catholic Church Catholic again seems paramount.
Law still covered up a great deal of sex abuse. For that reason alone, he should have been kicked to the curb.
I'm all in favour of making the Catholic Church Catholic again. I just doubt a return to the Latin Mass will cure all our ills.
The Latin mass revival might cure my problems with the church I left so long ago --impossible to go "back" to a strange place with strange and tacky rituals that seem as profound as a Kiwanis meeting. I never was devout. I never even really believed in God, not in my Catholic schools and universities. But the idea of praying in Latin along with millions of others seemed powerful, mystical, and connected to whatever it is that goes on creating the universe when we're not looking.
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