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Pope Set To Return To Traditional Liturgy
Web India ^ | June 20,2005 | Web India staff

Posted on 06/19/2005 9:33:26 PM PDT by Lady In Blue

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To: franky

You've hit the nail on the head. Thank the Lord for Mother Angelica!

The Catholic Church has largely dropped the ball on the pro-life issues. I don't care how empty the churches may get, the truth must be told at all times.


161 posted on 06/20/2005 6:05:00 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team!)
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To: Aussie Dasher

You said it didn't matter how Mass was said, but what was preached, to determine what a man believes.

I argue that a man who prays sloppily will believe sloppily. So it does matter how Mass is said.

And this has nothing to do with language, but everything to do with what is said and how those saying it go about doing it.

For example, taking Holy Communion in the hand as opposed to on the tongue will perforce make a number of determinations about ones beliefs concerning this Most August Sacrament.


162 posted on 06/20/2005 7:58:05 PM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: murphE
Oh C'mon now you're being silly. You're really laying the old canards on thick.

Really, what is it with people? You support something and folks around here who oppose it take your argument to the furthest extreme and, of course, the most negative possibility. You like latin? Well, naturally you must be in favor of wanting poor people to stay illiterate and burning heretics. You have some valid concerns or critiques about some of the pope's actions and words? Well, naturally you're in favor of a lynch mob going after the man. Etc., etc., ad nauseum, ad infinitum...
163 posted on 06/20/2005 8:03:38 PM PDT by sempertrad ("Welcome to Knight Burger. What will... ye have?" - MST3K)
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To: Lady In Blue

When he fires Bernard Law, maybe the non RC world will take him seriously.


164 posted on 06/20/2005 8:16:25 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: Romulus; BlackElk; NYer
Agree! I guess it's a weakness of mine but I don't non-Catholics have a say in any of this.This is strictly the Catholic Church's business. Like the great BlackElk says in a number of his post - MINE YOUR OWN BUSINESS! LOL! I mean no disprespect but I am getting mighty tired of people who are not in the family trying to tell us what to do.
165 posted on 06/20/2005 8:24:48 PM PDT by Lady In Blue (Pope Benedict XVI: THE CAFETERIA IS NOW CLOSED)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
I agree with everything you said! Another thing that bothers me,are the Charismatics! Holding hands, hugging and kissing.Holding their hands out like priests(not proper,at all).The next thing they'll be wanting to jump around and dance. They've forgotten what the Mass is. It would be like the enemies of Our Lord clapping their hands,singing at Calvery! Some years ago,I attended a forum.One of the guests was a Benedictine priest who spent his first hour talking and showing the proper way to assist at Mass and it was NOT the Charismatic way. He was specific in pointing out the wrong way to assist at Mass.
166 posted on 06/20/2005 8:34:24 PM PDT by Lady In Blue (Pope Benedict XVI: THE CAFETERIA IS NOW CLOSED)
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To: connectthedots

He won't "fire" Cardinal Law. Cardinal Law has retired from active ministry. My suggestion is that non-Catholics mine their own business. Catholics,speaking for myself, don't care one bit if they take him "seriously." His authority does not rest on the "non-RC"world.


167 posted on 06/20/2005 8:39:50 PM PDT by Lady In Blue (Pope Benedict XVI: THE CAFETERIA IS NOW CLOSED)
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To: maryz
As a practical matter, they would only have to learn the Mass in Latin. I seem to recall reading of foreign movie actors who managed to learn a leading part in English (I'm not a movie buff, so I can't be specific here; but someone might know).

Some that come to mind: Andre the giant in The Princess Bride learned enough phonetic English to play his role. Same with a certain Japanese woman who sang the part of Eponine in Les Miserable; she's on the CD that I have.

168 posted on 06/20/2005 9:21:24 PM PDT by TradicalRC (I'd rather live in a Christian theocracy than a secular democracy.)
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To: Lady In Blue
He won't "fire" Cardinal Law. Cardinal Law has retired from active ministry.

Maybe I am mistaken, but doesn't he still have a position within the Vatican?

169 posted on 06/20/2005 9:28:23 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: Hermann the Cherusker

What have I told you about that kosher wine? Moderation is always a good idea.


170 posted on 06/20/2005 9:41:05 PM PDT by TradicalRC (In vino veritas.)
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To: Dominick

No, actually, you make exactly my point. It's meaningless to say, "Any priest can say the Latin Mass" when the truth is that the preconditions of saying the mass (that no-one can partake) are the same preconditions placed on defricked pedophiles.

That's the sort of "freedom of worship" that The Religion Of Peace offers.


171 posted on 06/20/2005 10:16:04 PM PDT by dangus
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To: Claud

Yeah, I think there's no major agreement here. I do agree that the liturgy does not need to be said in Latin, but I'm not sure that's the point behind the Tridentines. I take it theoir point is twofold:

The New Order mass is radically different from the Tridentine Mass regardless of what language it is.

The fact that the New Order mass has been translated into English in a way which abets innumerable heresies demonstrates the need for traditionalism: to maintain authenticity in an age of unspeakable corruption.

While I disagree with their conclusion, that only the Tridentine mass should be licit, I do think that those are two radically important points to be made.


172 posted on 06/20/2005 10:21:23 PM PDT by dangus
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To: sitetest

Well, certainly true, unfortunately. Though he was a blasphemous little heretic, he didn't deserve to die for it.


173 posted on 06/20/2005 10:24:43 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: Campion
Believe it or not, English is the language that has become the stumbling block for many of us...

That's right. I would do a lot better at the N.O. masses if the homilist didn't speak in English.:o)

174 posted on 06/20/2005 10:30:14 PM PDT by St.Chuck
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To: dsc

I agree that the translation of Anima Christi which you post is a terrible one. But I've never heard the likes of it before in my life, after spending years notorious dioceses such as Boston, New York, Rockville Center, Albany, Scranton and Richmond. What I've heard is much close to your retranslation, and is what is usually published in the nearly uniquitous "Oregon Press" missals, hymnals and missallettes which are the bane of all conservatives with good taste.

As to the Salve Regina:

Show us UNTO does a pretty good job of reflecting connoting "pointing out," if you ask me.

Quibbling for "Salutation" over "hail" seems silly. And while "holy" is not a separate word in "Salve regina," the use of Salve suggests holy. Call it a poetic lisence, helpful for meter, that is 100% proper.

As for "gracious" and "poor" being added: Yes, they were. So what? They help the poetry, and they are correct.

As for the ICEL translation of the Apostle's Creed: I agree. I can't wait for Una Voce to be implemented.


175 posted on 06/20/2005 10:43:58 PM PDT by dangus
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To: connectthedots

About the Law's position in Rome:

As I understand it:

Cardinals were originally priests of Rome. To this day, every Cardinal is still assigned a Church in Rome which he is the formal pastor of, and of which a vicar normally runs, Cardinal Law was Cardinal of the diocese which was considered the eldest-daughter of Rome in America, and as such, received a plum assignment: that of St. Mary Major, one of nine churches whose pastor says a eulogy for a deceased Pope.

When Cardinal Law was stripped of his administerial duties for mismanagement, he retained his position of pastor of St. Mary Major, and so it was to there he "retired."

Although the news media regarded his position in the Vatican as if it were some honor he were given after his retirement, it is in truth a position he obtained apon being made Cardinal of Boston.


176 posted on 06/20/2005 11:00:05 PM PDT by dangus
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To: Aussie Dasher

Actually, there may be no higher priorities. Making the Catholic Church Catholic again seems paramount.


177 posted on 06/20/2005 11:03:09 PM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: dangus

Law still covered up a great deal of sex abuse. For that reason alone, he should have been kicked to the curb.


178 posted on 06/20/2005 11:13:38 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: Veto!

I'm all in favour of making the Catholic Church Catholic again. I just doubt a return to the Latin Mass will cure all our ills.


179 posted on 06/20/2005 11:23:44 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team!)
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To: Aussie Dasher

The Latin mass revival might cure my problems with the church I left so long ago --impossible to go "back" to a strange place with strange and tacky rituals that seem as profound as a Kiwanis meeting. I never was devout. I never even really believed in God, not in my Catholic schools and universities. But the idea of praying in Latin along with millions of others seemed powerful, mystical, and connected to whatever it is that goes on creating the universe when we're not looking.


180 posted on 06/20/2005 11:59:47 PM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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