AMERICA HEAR MY WORDS [PROPHETIC EXHORTATION, WARNING TO THE BODY OF CHRIST et al]

America, you began well - the men who formed your foundation called on Me to make their way clear - those who believed in Me - interceded with great power in My strength to bring forth this land of promise.

You have done well in much - and well you know those things for you recite them daily to remind Me - it is good.

Body of Christ - you are to be the soul of this nation of promise - but instead you have sold much of yourself to gain the comforts of the flesh forgetting how My Son lived on the earth - owning nothing He wouldn't give. I test you daily - Body of Christ, and you do not even notice. You are too busy striving for a tomorrow that may never come. Your life and who you are is not found in what you will accomplish tomorrow - your life is who you are right now in this moment.

Who are you in the face of the hungry? Where is the fount of your love in the face of divisiveness? When others express My Truth in another way - why do you insist it be your way alone? KNOW THE TRUTH FOR YOURSELF - LOOK INTO MY WORD AND KNOW THE TRUTH FOR YOURSELVES AND THERE WILL BE NO DIVISIVENESS OR RANCOR IN MY BODY ON THE EARTH. Do not argue man's rules and divide the Body of Christ. Have I not said, "A house divided against itself cannot stand?"

Do you dare to call yourself a Christ follower and still hold bitterness in your heart against your brother? Do you dare to call yourself a Christ follower and out of your mouth damn the lost to eternal damnation? How dare you damn what I weep over? Have you known the sinner for generations before he was born? Do you know and have you seen the strategies and tactics of the enemy that has distorted his vision and twisted his soul into painful contortions? So you dare sit in your earthly throne of judgment, little king, and display your pompous benevolence on those you wish and damn the soul I love? I will take you from your throne and crush it into dust. I will show you the torment of those you condemn until you cry out for mercy for your soul - cry out for mercy for your own soul - as you should NOW be crying out for mercy on the souls tortured in bondage.

If America be your throne - My determination will not falter. I will throw out the whole basket of fruit for the rotted has destroyed the good.

You have one season to tend your tree. Begin now asking Me what remedy you might use to bring life to what remains. I will look for My Love to spread abroad to the right and to the left. I will look to see if forgiveness is flowing in your midst - I will look into YOUR heart of hearts - INDIVIDUALLY - even as every branch and leaf is inspected for insects and decay.

If I do not see the Body of Christ reflect the Glory of My Son in this nation in one season - I will begin to destruct your false throne and raise My throne in a land you never expected.

Do not say - "What of him - what is he doing?" - for you will raise My anger. Look to your own heart and be fearfully careful to follow the instruction I give you in the days of your life. I look for a humble and willing heart that continues even when it stumbles - that one who is ever walking towards My Son until that life disappears into His Own. I will not handle the hard heart - the stiff neck, for it will destroy itself.

If your heart is good you have much to rejoice in and many blessings of surprise and fulfillment await you. If your heart is bad - rejoice in your darkness quickly for your time is short.

Come - Come - Come - My Heart yearns to give you all things that we might rejoice together - Come into the flow of My Love and be swept up in it's Powerful current - You will be filled with life and deposit life every place you touch with your hands and every step you take with your foot.

This can be a glorious day - it is for you to choose - hold that future before you and walk your life into Mine. Know My Word - Know My Word. Your very life and the lives of your children depend upon My Word. Know My Word FOR YOURSELVES-and do not only listen to man." -------------- Note: This is not a word of ruin and devastation but one of hopeful promise. God is Love - all He is asking is that His Body on earth reflect that Love by loving each other and loving the unloved. He is not asking for perfection - only that when we stumble we do not give up but GET UP and KEEP GOING FORWARD INTO HIM. He asks that our hearts be humble and that we give an accurate accounting of ourselves to be what He asks of us to be - His Hands and Feet on the earth. In Joel 2:12-14 directly after the description of the destroying army sent to envelope God's people due to their sins he says, "Yet even now," declares the Lord, "Return to Me with all your heart, and with fasting, weeping, and mourning; and rend your heart and not your garments." Now return to the Lord Your God, for He is gracious and compassionate, slow to anger abounding in lovingkindness, and relenting of evil. Who knows whether He will not turn and relent, and leave a blessing behind Him, even a grain offering and a libation for the Lord your God?"

Luke 20:9-16,NAS "And He began to tell the people this parable: "A man planted a vineyard (a vine and vineyard is a scriptural picture of Christ and believers) and rented it out to vine-growers, and went on a journey for a long time. And at the harvest time he sent a slave (a slave is someone who does not have freedom over his own destiny - he is forced labor to another - much as a sinner who does not know the freedom in Christ is a slave to sin) to the vine-growers that they might give him some of the produce of the vineyard; but the vine growers beat him and sent him away empty-handed." (Much the way false Christians beat the sinners among them with words of judgment and condemnation. Christ on the earth - never condemned a sinner who came - only the hypocritical believers in religion. Have we sent any sinners away empty-handed?) "And he proceeded to send another slave; and they beat him also and treated him shamefully, and sent him away empty-handed. And he proceeded to send a third; and this one also they wounded and cast out. And the owner of the vineyard said, "What shall I do: I will send my beloved son; perhaps they will respect him. But when the vine-growers saw him, they reasoned with one another, saying, "This is the heir; let us kill him that the inheritance may be ours." And they cast him out of the vineyard and killed him." ("And the King will answer and say to them, "Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these, even the least of them, you did it to me." Matt. 25:40) "What, therefore, will the owner of the vineyard do to them? He will come and destroy these vine-growers and will give the vineyard to others." And when they heard it, they said, "May it never be!" Isn't this what the Lord just said concerning America - that He would tear down our self-righteous throne and set His Throne in another nation we would never expect?

Luke 13:6-9 NAS "And He began telling this parable: "A certain man had a fig tree which had been planted in his vineyard; and he came looking for fruit on it, and did not find any. And he said to the vineyard-keeper, "Behold, for three years I have come looking for fruit on this fig tree without finding any. Cut it down! Why does it even use up the ground? And he answered and said to him, "Let it alone, sir, for this year too, until I dig around it and put in fertilizer; and if it bears fruit next year, fine; but if not, cut it down."

Matthew 7: 1-5 NAS "Do not judge lest you be judged yourselves. For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it shall be measured to you. And why do you look at the speck in your own brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, "Let me take the speck out of your eye," and behold, the log is in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly enough to take the speck out of your brother's eye." What would you think if you saw a man walking down the street - poking himself in the eye - beating himself with his fist-slapping himself in the face or cutting his fingers to the bone? I'm sure it wouldn't be "Well that's the life for me!" Yet the body of Christ walks through the earth doing just that - just how attractive is that for unbelievers? Some of us express our praise with instruments - some of us do not - some of us are more comforted by one truth than another - the only and most important line of demarcation is the Blood of Christ. It is the one undeniable, uncompromised truth - when He appears in the clouds we will remember nothing but that.

John 21:15-17 NAS "So when they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, "Simon, Son of John, do you love Me more than these?" He said to Him, "Yes, Lord; You know that I love You." He said to him, "Tend My lambs." He said to him again a second time, "Simon, son of John, do you love Me:" He said to Him, "Yes, Lord; You know that I love You." He said to him, "Shepherd My sheep." He said to him the third time, "Simon, son of John, do you love Me?" Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time, "Do you love Me?" And he said to Him, "Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You." Jesus said to him, "Tend My sheep."

According to The Hebrew-Greek Key Study Bible - the word "lambs" in verse 15 has its root in the phrase "to ramble freely". The word "feed" in verse 16 has its root in the phrase "revolve around".

Wasn't the Lord instructing Peter to allow his life to "revolve around" those who tend to ramble and might very well stray and be lost - much as in the parable of the lost sheep? Living in this way puts the life of the Christian at His Master's direction and not his own.

The Lord provided me with a living example of what He wants from us as His people just a few hours before He spoke this word. A couple days before, my husband suffered several strokes and was in the hospital. At the age of 56 after being a homeschool mom with not many "saleable" talents I am faced with the need to go to work. After leaving the hospital on this day I stopped for gas on my way home. Not having the slightest idea of how I will meet the financial needs growing by the minute - my mind was spinning with questions of the Lord, my soul felt numb and my body VERY tired. As I pumped the gas into the car I noticed a man who appeared to be homeless speak to a woman at a nearby pump. I sighed to the Lord, "Please don't let him come to me - I can't deal with this right now." Just as quickly - the man turned and came straight to me. "Ma'am, do you have any spare change? I'd like to buy a hotdog inside." My first thought was to dismiss him gently but the Lord seriously checked my heart. Instead I found myself saying I would buy him supper when I finished pumping my gas. Together we went inside as the Lord instructed me to buy for him exactly what I would want to buy for myself. I told him to choose a sandwich and I handed him a bag of chips. I knew I'd want a cold drink- he chose a Coke. As I went to pay, the Lord reminded me that each night after supper I like a small piece of chocolate. "What would you like for dessert?" I asked, "Cake, or candy?" "Oh ma'am," he exclaimed, "This is a lot." By then we were standing at the candy and he said, "Oh I love candy. This is my all time favorite." Before I could pay, the Lord reminded me of what a cold and blustery day it was and the sun was going down. "Would you like a hot cup of coffee after that?" I found myself asking. "Oh, that's okay ma'am, I've had coffee today." I paid for his meal including a large cup of coffee when he was finished - as the clerk asked if I also wanted a lotto ticket. "Jesus takes good care of me-no thanks." I heard myself say. and He does. The experience was real - but it was one of those times that seemed so automatic and yet not - it was purely a gift from the Holy Spirit who led me through in spite of my own reticence. I am not sharing it now to proclaim my purity - Lord knows that would be a lie - but to encourage myself and you to live your life "revolving around" the lambs that "ramble freely" and could be killed.

I truly believe the Lord has given the Body of Christ in America - one season - one season to "get it right" or we WILL LOSE THIS NATION. I do not know what is meant by "season" - if it be our natural season of a few months or a spiritual season. I DO know this: the picture of a teen being asked to do a chore came to mind. If he goes as soon as he is told and does the work with a willing heart-even if there are mistakes made in ignorance-grace is given with further instruction. However, if he or she sits at the TV. ten minutes longer - and finally, reluctantly goes to his work - judgment will reflect that. Excuses and buck passing are not acceptable. WE ARE TO BE THE LOVE OF CHRIST MADE MANIFEST IN A DARKENED WORLD - we MUST keep encouraging each other to listen to the Holy Spirit and do His Will - not our own will, but His. We NEED to ask the Holy Spirit to overshadow each one of us with the instructions for each day that we might make His Praise Glorious!!! Please - let's love each other and look at those enslaved around us through His Eyes - as we would want Him to look at us.

Jesus was invited to wholesale castigate or condem whole classes or groups of people repeatedly. He virtually never did--he cut across all the categories and descriptions to get at the heart attitudes of the individuals involved. I believe that is also what will be the nature of the being called out. I think the focus will be much more on heart attitudes. Heart attitudes get represented and fossilized and enshrined in RELIGIOSITY vs spirituality. But that's secondary. The first key issue is the heart attitude of the individuals.

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Quix...:)

I thought Christ did quite the job calling the Pharisees white-washed tombstones full of dead men's works and driving the money changers out of the temple.
There is an urgency in the air.......I am not against people, I am against systems who steal the souls of men all in the name of God.
Who teach their doctrines of devils to fill their coffers with money and proclaim themselves to be holy, who tie themselves to the Beast system and take their people with them!!!

I can honestly tell anyone, and anyone who knows me up close and personal....if you are standing in the middle of the road and a bus is bearing down on you, I am not going to say in some sweet hushed syrupy little voice...now sweetie, you have to move...I know you're comfortable and you feel safe but would you please step to the curb out of the road. I am going to tackle and throw you to the curb to get you the heck out of the road. You may not like it...you may be a little bit bruised but you aren't smashed and you are alive, and I will risk my life to do it.

God does not make people like He is cutting cookies out on a cookie sheet. We are all different and we reach different people. I do not bring an easy message or warning...nor do all hear it..nor will all hear it. I am not looking to win a popularity contest, I don't care if its liked or not, its not my message.

I don't claim myself to be a prophetess altho it has been claimed by others in different ministries. I don't care.
I just know I have a job to do and a warning to give and it will not be liked.....the end results may well be death...I will not move. I will not compromise from what I KNOW to be true.

There are more just like me out there....the final endtimes warning is about to resound thru the earth. We will NOT be liked but so be it. Love does not always show up in sweet hushed tones and flowery words, nor will the judgement that is coming.

Everything was not relative to them....they were the spiritual leaders of Israel, they kept the Torah. They were the high priests.

You missed the point entirely. Jesus was a spiritual leader of Israel, too. Jesus attended synagogue, preached in synagogues. He was a faithful Jew. The leaven of the Pharisees was their HYPOCRISY. They demanded holiness of the Jews which they refused to practice. The law itself was not condemned. They lived by the law as a show - to draw praise to themselves instead of God. The law, you must remember, was NOT abolished by Christ, but fulfilled. Jesus did not condemn the law. He condemned the counterfeit piety of the Pharisees and scribes who had greater political aspirations than spiritual ones.

The Catholic Church is composed of human beings. It is not, however, institutionally hypocritical. There are sinners in every facet of life. You may say to me "pedophile priest", and I say to you "Judas Iscariot". Both called by Jesus Christ, both scandalous. Yet somehow the Church is delegitimized across the board because of scandal within her ranks, whereas the remaining eleven apostles - the founders of the Catholic Church - will rule upon the nations despite the scandal within theirs. Catholic clergy are not dogmatically guaranteed of salvation. They will be judged according to their actions, like every other human being. The institution - the Catholic Church - however, has remained steadfast in its teachings, and carries on the mission of those present at Pentecost, making disciples of all nations.

Your, to me, irrational fallacy is to assume that because it is not Scripture, that it must have errors.

You seem to think that God has a muzzle somehow which insures that when God wants to talk further to Believers, that HE MUST do so in a flawed way.

That's silly.

God is not about to be limited at all.

He's certainly not about to be limited in communicating with those in dialogue for whom Christ died that we might have restored dialogue with The Father.

Your distincitions may comfort your biases but I don't find them to have any reality at all with regard to the messages posted.

If you are determined to be prissy about it, then compare every phrase, sentence or whatever to Scripture and throw out anything that doesn't match up with Scripture.

But to try and throw it all out because it is POTENTIALLY flawed is to blackwash any and all communications God may wish to extend to you outside of your reading of the Canon.

If God wants to tell you that there's a better deal on a car at a different dealer--you are in trouble. You will refuse to listen.

If God wants to tell you there's a better potential spouse to marry than the one you are considering--you are in trouble, you will refuse to listen.

If God wants to tell you to take a different route to work today because satan has engineered an effort to kill you in an accident on your regular route--you are in trouble because you will refuse to listen.

Thankfully, some of us have learned to relate to God's communcations with us directly differently.

This sort of listening to God's Voice as Christ commented on--will be increasingly crucial in these end times.

Sorry Rutles.......I know my scripture better than to eat any of that. But don't worry...multitudes will and are eating it. I just watched on T.V. millions of people and the kings of the earth..kneel at the feet of a corpse. They will join themselves even more to this new pope...The Black Pope.
The ENFORCER of doctrine....one who just reopened the Office of Inquister. I am quite sure if I live long enough I will indeed be brought up before the nations in a world court because I will not be forced to her doctrine, nor will you find any of it in me now. There is a VAST difference between religion and faith. There is as vast a difference between democracy and a republic.
Protestant are no more...no one is protesting the RCC, they are joining her, the blood of all the martyred saints who tried to get away from her, deemed worthless by the religions of the world...just as scripture says ..that her daughters would return to her.

But those saints cry out from under the alter for vengence, and are told to wait a little while longer till a few more are martyred.....God hasn't forgotten or forgiven the slaughter brought upon His people during the Dark Ages, before and after, or in the future by this religious harlot system. The people of the earth may have forgotten it....but I promise you...God hasn't.

Ok Quix....I'm out of here..lol..you all can go back to tickling each others ears, telling each other how wonderful you are and what God is going to do. Pretty soon you all can start ooooing and aaahhhing over the Mary appearances....people are gonna flock to and love that witchcraft.

I have seen these kinds of Jean Dixon-Edgar Cayce-Oral Roberts prophecies for over 3 decades as a Christian believer. None of them have ever come to pass. These people profess themselves to be prophets, yet their prophecies are patently and 100% false.

Although I believe in the perpetuity of the spiritual gifts, I have always taken these prophecies of doom and prophecies regarding _____FILL IN THE BLANK______. We have more than enough prophecies to worry about and to digest in the Bible itself. We don't need the extra biblical prophecies, especially when one considers that the track record for these so-called modern day extra-biblical prophets is much worse than the prophecies of the hadicappers for the Racing Forms.

I have no doubt that this woman is sincere and may sincerely believe that she has heard from God. But there are a lot of kooks out there that are sincere. The test of a prophet is 100% accuracy. I have yet to see one of these doom and gloom/repent or die extra-biblical prophecies come true. I don't expect this one will pan out either. Frankly it's so vague it says nothing anyway.

Pardon my skepticism.

o you agree that, if these are the words of God Himself, that we should be able to use them in debates on Christian Theology? It would make sense...it would follow.... wouldn't it?

Actually they should carry at least as much weight as the red lettered words in the bible. Indeed, if these are the actual words of God, then they should be much more authoritative than the words of Paul, or Peter. Their epistles contain their own words as given through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. If we believe this prophecy is real, then we would have to accord the article more authoritative weight than any of the epistles or perhaps even more than most of the gospels.

So yes, xzins, you are right. We ought to be able to use these in debates on Theology. If they are authentic. I don't believe they are. So I won't use them. But anyone who purports to believe these are the words of God has an obligation to give them at least as much weight as the Bible. If they don't, then I would question whether they really believe they are from God at all.

Who in this thread can tell me WHO Rev. 17 is, can you identify her?

I don't know. Ask Dave Hunt.

Rev. Herman Bernard Kramer, a catholic priest who studied Revelation for over 30 years, in his "Book of Destiny" (available from TAN publishers), which has an imprimatur, says in his commentary on Revelation, Chapter 17, among other things on p389:

"The title of the harlot city, BABYLON THE GREAT, leads us to the conclusion that it shall be Rome."

There is too much more, and context is important, but he is talking about the city of Rome, apostate Rome, not necessarily the church presently situated at the Vatican.

The prophesies of LaSallette, which I haven't read lately nor been sure that I ever had a correct version predicted that "Rome would lose the faith and become the seat of the antichrist."

These are opinions that need not be taken as gospel and private revelations are not required belief for catholics.

I never knew what to make of it to this day, but I wouldn't conclude that it was the catholic church which has the life-giving sacraments, especially the Eucharist. We know there is much apostasy within in America, so it isn't stretching it that there is or will be apostasy in the city of Rome.

Quite honestly, I don't expect to get it figured out to my satisfaction.

Frankly it's so vague it says nothing anyway.

Actually it is VERY clear....people are so full of leaven...false doctrine they can not see it.
Scripture says "God will SEND a STRONG DELUSION on the earth." God sends it. STRONG DELUSION, its their false doctrine that makes the delusion so believeable....PEOPLE WANT IT, they don't want truth..they want to make God in their image....think about it...chew on it....throw your milk bottle to the side for 3 minutes.

Scripture says..."THERE is nothing NEW under the sun."
The anti-christ.."Once was...is not...and is AGAIN."
Dark Ages....Protestant movement...Ecumentical (all joined in a one world religion) the "is AGAIN" is upon us.

And if you noticed Marlowe...I didn't profess myself to be anything....I'm only warning. Christians are amazing...they cry last days...endtimes...ANYTIME God is set to bring judgement He sends warnings....and always...always..people mock, doesn't fit THEIR program. Part of the "Pharisee's leaven" was they were so steeped in their own head knowledge they didn't recognize TRUTH when it was laid before them. Jesus worked miracles....raised people from the dead, healed.......they couldn't get past themselves to see what was truth and what wasn't.

Do you think the very leaven we were warned about will be any different today? LOL Not hardly. "There is nothing NEW under the SUN."

If you want to know where we are going....look where we have been.......Satan creates NOTHING..he counterfeits.
God is the SAME..yesterday, today and tomorrow. Satan will continue to counterfeit what has already been done before.

Are you up for a few more crusades...a couple more inquisitions? Maybe you should read exactly what is to be done with people who will not join the RCC soon to be the Mother of a one world religion. The Vatican...the most powerful, religious-political system on the face of the earth. A system the kings of the earth are bowing their knee to, you watched it, with your own eyes for pete's sake. PURE RELIGION....RELIGION KILLS, always has always will. RELIGION AND POLITICS crucified Christ. Did he not say...so it would be with his FAITHful followers? How blind can you be?

The prophesies of LaSallette, which I haven't read lately nor been sure that I ever had a correct version predicted that "Rome would lose the faith and become the seat of the antichrist."

This prophecy was condemned by the Vatican:

THE COUNTERFEIT VERSION OF OUR LADY'S SECRET It is this secret, already several times printed, distributed, commented on and recommended by various authors, both ecclesiastical and lay, that M. Mariavi has thought fit to give to the public, presenting it as 'The Gospel of the Virgin Mary', to accompany and complement the Gospel of Jesus Christ!

"In order to answer your question Monseigneur, I have just read the two pamphlets concerning which you desire to know my opinion. It is absolutely unfavorable. The authors of previous publications, to do with this secret, were condemned, if not because of the secret itself, at least because of the scope and the consequences they gave it. A similar fate awaits this present publication.

" I. - It seems, in fact, that we do not have here the secret handed by the Bishop of Grenoble's envoys to HH Pope Pius IX in 1851. In its present form, it was written by Melanie Calvat, but on various occasions and in successive fragments, and seems rather to be the result of a personal composition than an exact repetition of the original text given to Pius IX, and which is said to be no longer in the Vatican.

" II. - As it stands, this secret has no value other than as Melanie Calvat's personal statement, supported by the signature of two bishops from around Naples. Melanie seems to have been sincerely pious, but she may have been deluded, and it seems that her 'mission', instead of extending to our period, ended with the Church's recognition of the reality of the Apparition.

" III. - What is certain, according to a well informed author, is that the first versions of the secret were less developed than the last; it is probable, therefore, that under the influence of the setting in which her life ended, Melanie amplified the first form of the writing she had had sent to the Pope; for certain, we do not have here an official copy of the secret handed to Pius IX. Only the Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office could, with the Pope's consent, seek out the original and so determine, against the original contents, its true authority.

" IV. - The nature of this secret, as we read it today, is so strange, arranged in such a confused manner, containing particular allusions to politics, it seems to favor, in such a very precise way, the errors of the ancient millenarists - in that it announces a renovation to be accomplished in time and on earth, unlike the teaching of the true religion about the general resurrection at the end of the world, and about the eternal happiness of the elect - that one necessarily hesitates to ascribe it a heavenly origin. Finally, and more especially, the commentator has taken such liberty in evaluating and judging the Catholic hierarchy, in all its degrees, that one wonders what basis there is for the severity of his words, which would not be out of place in the pages of a newspaper most hostile to the Christian faith. One also wonders how he allies the true piety he professes with the harshness he displays towards persons worthy of every respect.

"What aggravates the rashness of these judgments is that they are, on several occasions, given in a form that is both mocking and insulting, which is belied by the character and dignity of the persons the author sees fit to denounce.

"The holy pope Pius IX, venerable cardinals such as Mgr Perraud, Mgr Lugon and Mgr Sevin, bishops like Mgr Maurin of Grenoble, and all his predecessors down to Mgr Ginoulhiac, of such learned memory: all are included in the hurtful reproaches, which the commentator dares to attribute in the first place to the Most Blessed Virgin Herself!

"And all this is written and published, offered and distributed for those who would like to find in these pages food for their curiosity. Would they learn charity and love by learning to despise the legitimate authority of the priesthood? For, the remarkable thing is that this Christian, this Catholic, seems to savour a sort of enjoyment in scourging the leaders of holy Church, those whom he mocks in calling them 'our princes'

"You will not, therefore be surprised, Monseigneur, if I condemn these two pamphlets by Dr Mariavi, if I rebuke their spirit and their character, and if I advise the faithful not to read them.

"With my affectionate respect,

A., cardinal de Cabrihres

Bishop of Montpellier.

(Le Hidec, Les secrets de La Salette, p. 164-167)

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