Posted on 04/30/2005 8:41:28 PM PDT by Quix
America Hear My Words
Marsha Allred
April 6, 2005
"I have much to say to this nation. Hear My Words.
America, you began well - the men who formed your foundation called on Me to make their way clear - those who believed in Me - interceded with great power in My strength to bring forth this land of promise.
You have done well in much - and well you know those things for you recite them daily to remind Me - it is good.
Body of Christ - you are to be the soul of this nation of promise - but instead you have sold much of yourself to gain the comforts of the flesh forgetting how My Son lived on the earth - owning nothing He wouldn't give. I test you daily - Body of Christ, and you do not even notice. You are too busy striving for a tomorrow that may never come. Your life and who you are is not found in what you will accomplish tomorrow - your life is who you are right now in this moment.
Who are you in the face of the hungry? Where is the fount of your love in the face of divisiveness? When others express My Truth in another way - why do you insist it be your way alone? KNOW THE TRUTH FOR YOURSELF - LOOK INTO MY WORD AND KNOW THE TRUTH FOR YOURSELVES AND THERE WILL BE NO DIVISIVENESS OR RANCOR IN MY BODY ON THE EARTH. Do not argue man's rules and divide the Body of Christ. Have I not said, "A house divided against itself cannot stand?"
Do you dare to call yourself a Christ follower and still hold bitterness in your heart against your brother? Do you dare to call yourself a Christ follower and out of your mouth damn the lost to eternal damnation? How dare you damn what I weep over? Have you known the sinner for generations before he was born? Do you know and have you seen the strategies and tactics of the enemy that has distorted his vision and twisted his soul into painful contortions? So you dare sit in your earthly throne of judgment, little king, and display your pompous benevolence on those you wish and damn the soul I love? I will take you from your throne and crush it into dust. I will show you the torment of those you condemn until you cry out for mercy for your soul - cry out for mercy for your own soul - as you should NOW be crying out for mercy on the souls tortured in bondage.
If America be your throne - My determination will not falter. I will throw out the whole basket of fruit for the rotted has destroyed the good.
Hear Me now and hear Me well Body of Christ.
You have one season to tend your tree. Begin now asking Me what remedy you might use to bring life to what remains. I will look for My Love to spread abroad to the right and to the left. I will look to see if forgiveness is flowing in your midst - I will look into YOUR heart of hearts - INDIVIDUALLY - even as every branch and leaf is inspected for insects and decay.
If I do not see the Body of Christ reflect the Glory of My Son in this nation in one season - I will begin to destruct your false throne and raise My throne in a land you never expected.
Do not say - "What of him - what is he doing?" - for you will raise My anger. Look to your own heart and be fearfully careful to follow the instruction I give you in the days of your life. I look for a humble and willing heart that continues even when it stumbles - that one who is ever walking towards My Son until that life disappears into His Own. I will not handle the hard heart - the stiff neck, for it will destroy itself.
If your heart is good you have much to rejoice in and many blessings of surprise and fulfillment await you. If your heart is bad - rejoice in your darkness quickly for your time is short.
Come - Come - Come - My Heart yearns to give you all things that we might rejoice together - Come into the flow of My Love and be swept up in it's Powerful current - You will be filled with life and deposit life every place you touch with your hands and every step you take with your foot.
This can be a glorious day - it is for you to choose - hold that future before you and walk your life into Mine. Know My Word - Know My Word. Your very life and the lives of your children depend upon My Word. Know My Word FOR YOURSELVES-and do not only listen to man." -------------- Note: This is not a word of ruin and devastation but one of hopeful promise. God is Love - all He is asking is that His Body on earth reflect that Love by loving each other and loving the unloved. He is not asking for perfection - only that when we stumble we do not give up but GET UP and KEEP GOING FORWARD INTO HIM. He asks that our hearts be humble and that we give an accurate accounting of ourselves to be what He asks of us to be - His Hands and Feet on the earth. In Joel 2:12-14 directly after the description of the destroying army sent to envelope God's people due to their sins he says, "Yet even now," declares the Lord, "Return to Me with all your heart, and with fasting, weeping, and mourning; and rend your heart and not your garments." Now return to the Lord Your God, for He is gracious and compassionate, slow to anger abounding in lovingkindness, and relenting of evil. Who knows whether He will not turn and relent, and leave a blessing behind Him, even a grain offering and a libation for the Lord your God?"
Luke 20:9-16,NAS "And He began to tell the people this parable: "A man planted a vineyard (a vine and vineyard is a scriptural picture of Christ and believers) and rented it out to vine-growers, and went on a journey for a long time. And at the harvest time he sent a slave (a slave is someone who does not have freedom over his own destiny - he is forced labor to another - much as a sinner who does not know the freedom in Christ is a slave to sin) to the vine-growers that they might give him some of the produce of the vineyard; but the vine growers beat him and sent him away empty-handed." (Much the way false Christians beat the sinners among them with words of judgment and condemnation. Christ on the earth - never condemned a sinner who came - only the hypocritical believers in religion. Have we sent any sinners away empty-handed?) "And he proceeded to send another slave; and they beat him also and treated him shamefully, and sent him away empty-handed. And he proceeded to send a third; and this one also they wounded and cast out. And the owner of the vineyard said, "What shall I do: I will send my beloved son; perhaps they will respect him. But when the vine-growers saw him, they reasoned with one another, saying, "This is the heir; let us kill him that the inheritance may be ours." And they cast him out of the vineyard and killed him." ("And the King will answer and say to them, "Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these, even the least of them, you did it to me." Matt. 25:40) "What, therefore, will the owner of the vineyard do to them? He will come and destroy these vine-growers and will give the vineyard to others." And when they heard it, they said, "May it never be!" Isn't this what the Lord just said concerning America - that He would tear down our self-righteous throne and set His Throne in another nation we would never expect?
Luke 13:6-9 NAS "And He began telling this parable: "A certain man had a fig tree which had been planted in his vineyard; and he came looking for fruit on it, and did not find any. And he said to the vineyard-keeper, "Behold, for three years I have come looking for fruit on this fig tree without finding any. Cut it down! Why does it even use up the ground? And he answered and said to him, "Let it alone, sir, for this year too, until I dig around it and put in fertilizer; and if it bears fruit next year, fine; but if not, cut it down."
Matthew 7: 1-5 NAS "Do not judge lest you be judged yourselves. For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it shall be measured to you. And why do you look at the speck in your own brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, "Let me take the speck out of your eye," and behold, the log is in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly enough to take the speck out of your brother's eye." What would you think if you saw a man walking down the street - poking himself in the eye - beating himself with his fist-slapping himself in the face or cutting his fingers to the bone? I'm sure it wouldn't be "Well that's the life for me!" Yet the body of Christ walks through the earth doing just that - just how attractive is that for unbelievers? Some of us express our praise with instruments - some of us do not - some of us are more comforted by one truth than another - the only and most important line of demarcation is the Blood of Christ. It is the one undeniable, uncompromised truth - when He appears in the clouds we will remember nothing but that.
John 21:15-17 NAS "So when they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, "Simon, Son of John, do you love Me more than these?" He said to Him, "Yes, Lord; You know that I love You." He said to him, "Tend My lambs." He said to him again a second time, "Simon, son of John, do you love Me:" He said to Him, "Yes, Lord; You know that I love You." He said to him, "Shepherd My sheep." He said to him the third time, "Simon, son of John, do you love Me?" Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time, "Do you love Me?" And he said to Him, "Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You." Jesus said to him, "Tend My sheep."
According to The Hebrew-Greek Key Study Bible - the word "lambs" in verse 15 has its root in the phrase "to ramble freely". The word "feed" in verse 16 has its root in the phrase "revolve around".
Wasn't the Lord instructing Peter to allow his life to "revolve around" those who tend to ramble and might very well stray and be lost - much as in the parable of the lost sheep? Living in this way puts the life of the Christian at His Master's direction and not his own.
The Lord provided me with a living example of what He wants from us as His people just a few hours before He spoke this word. A couple days before, my husband suffered several strokes and was in the hospital. At the age of 56 after being a homeschool mom with not many "saleable" talents I am faced with the need to go to work. After leaving the hospital on this day I stopped for gas on my way home. Not having the slightest idea of how I will meet the financial needs growing by the minute - my mind was spinning with questions of the Lord, my soul felt numb and my body VERY tired. As I pumped the gas into the car I noticed a man who appeared to be homeless speak to a woman at a nearby pump. I sighed to the Lord, "Please don't let him come to me - I can't deal with this right now." Just as quickly - the man turned and came straight to me. "Ma'am, do you have any spare change? I'd like to buy a hotdog inside." My first thought was to dismiss him gently but the Lord seriously checked my heart. Instead I found myself saying I would buy him supper when I finished pumping my gas. Together we went inside as the Lord instructed me to buy for him exactly what I would want to buy for myself. I told him to choose a sandwich and I handed him a bag of chips. I knew I'd want a cold drink- he chose a Coke. As I went to pay, the Lord reminded me that each night after supper I like a small piece of chocolate. "What would you like for dessert?" I asked, "Cake, or candy?" "Oh ma'am," he exclaimed, "This is a lot." By then we were standing at the candy and he said, "Oh I love candy. This is my all time favorite." Before I could pay, the Lord reminded me of what a cold and blustery day it was and the sun was going down. "Would you like a hot cup of coffee after that?" I found myself asking. "Oh, that's okay ma'am, I've had coffee today." I paid for his meal including a large cup of coffee when he was finished - as the clerk asked if I also wanted a lotto ticket. "Jesus takes good care of me-no thanks." I heard myself say. and He does. The experience was real - but it was one of those times that seemed so automatic and yet not - it was purely a gift from the Holy Spirit who led me through in spite of my own reticence. I am not sharing it now to proclaim my purity - Lord knows that would be a lie - but to encourage myself and you to live your life "revolving around" the lambs that "ramble freely" and could be killed.
I truly believe the Lord has given the Body of Christ in America - one season - one season to "get it right" or we WILL LOSE THIS NATION. I do not know what is meant by "season" - if it be our natural season of a few months or a spiritual season. I DO know this: the picture of a teen being asked to do a chore came to mind. If he goes as soon as he is told and does the work with a willing heart-even if there are mistakes made in ignorance-grace is given with further instruction. However, if he or she sits at the TV. ten minutes longer - and finally, reluctantly goes to his work - judgment will reflect that. Excuses and buck passing are not acceptable. WE ARE TO BE THE LOVE OF CHRIST MADE MANIFEST IN A DARKENED WORLD - we MUST keep encouraging each other to listen to the Holy Spirit and do His Will - not our own will, but His. We NEED to ask the Holy Spirit to overshadow each one of us with the instructions for each day that we might make His Praise Glorious!!! Please - let's love each other and look at those enslaved around us through His Eyes - as we would want Him to look at us.
He's encouraging us to live the way Christ would have us to live, even in these end times. Why don't you read it before you criticize?
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Perhaps...but I have already seen him on T.V. and I know what he is, and what he puts his faith in. I don't want the "Leaven of the Pharisees." nor will I eat it.
I don't need to ask God who "she" is. Perhaps you need to read a little further in Revelation and identify the "woman clothed with the sun" before casting aspersion on the Virgin Mary and the Catholic Church.
St Paul: "Right will be wrong and wrong will be right"...
the legacy of relativism.
I don't need to ask God who "she" is.
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Then read well the judgements in chapter 18...for you will reap them.
And you know this by what authority?
An angel of the Lord appeared to you and told you the Catholic Church is the "harlot"? Just a hunch? Jack Chick retreat? Your infallible connection with the Holy Spirit, version 20.0 thousand?
marked to read later
Then read well the judgements in chapter 18...for you will reap them.
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I repeat...
Then read well the judgements in chapter 18...for you will reap them.
Who is Jack Chick retreat?
People were commended for being Berean in the scriptures.
They didn't sit and eat everything handed to them, as is done today. I am smart enough to know when the Lord told us..."If it were possible, even the elect of God will be deceived." That it is a well laid out deception and it looks GOOD. He didn't give me any bigger brain or access to anything more spiritual than He gave you. I just choose to use mine, and not be a blind follower to every whim of doctrines of devils that comes down the road, declaring them to be good, because I got all warm and fuzzy over it.
St Paul: "Right will be wrong and wrong will be right"...
the legacy of relativism.
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So tell me Rutles...WHAT was "the leaven of the Pharisees" we were told to beware of?
the legacy of relativism? Everything was not relative to them....they were the spiritual leaders of Israel, they kept the Torah. They were the high priests.
Thx 4 Amen!
Well and wonderfully put. Thanks tons. Much needed and appreciated. I agree entirely.
Dear Precious BriarBey,
I admire and love your zeal in a list of ways. However, zeal in and of itself is not necessarily righteous. The Pharisees had a type of zeal, too.
I don't agree with your perspective on the 'called out from' 100% I believe the spirit/attitude/demonic forces involved in institutional RELIGION are all pervasive in virtually every denomination and in far too high a percentage of congregations. That's a larger problem than even 1 billion people in your deplored denomination.
I think it's the spirit/attitude/demonic led group of people for whom RELIGION OF ANY STRIPE has become their excuse, rationalization, god etc. distancing them from God vs bringing them bloser--I BELIEVE THAT is what God is calling true believers out from.
I also believe that in virtually any group which even remotely pretends to be Biblical--that there are earnest people WHO TRULY SEEK TO KNOW AND LIVE CLOSE TO GOD. I believe God will honor those believer's hearts and that they have walked earnestly in the light that they have had. And, He will lead them out in His ways and times unto Himself.
Jesus was invited to wholesale castigate or condem whole classes or groups of people repeatedly. He virtually never did--he cut across all the categories and descriptions to get at the heart attitudes of the individuals involved. I believe that is also what will be the nature of the being called out. I think the focus will be much more on heart attitudes. Heart attitudes get represented and fossilized and enshrined in RELIGIOSITY vs spirituality. But that's secondary. The first key issue is the heart attitude of the individuals.
You know that I can be stern and perhaps seen even more sternly than I am. And there is a time for sternness. But we must be careful that it really is Holy Spirit's sternness in fitting ways and fitting times and fitting contexts.
I'm learning that bashing earnest believers of any stripe is just not where God's heart is and that His discipline of them is typically between Him and them. Relatively rarely does He require me to butt in with unasked for stern exhortations and discipline of another believer--especially--'on the street' so to speak. Maybe that will change. But I've erred far too much at being too quick to slap others down for not agreeing 100% with me.
LUB
Am not really very willing to get into any kind of tit for tat brick bat exchange over these issues. You said:
I don't think that's a very positively fruitful question given where you are coming from.
Even if we pretend that you are 100% right . . . the powers that be are not at all interested in such an exchange being hosted and encouraged on this forum.
Also, you are unlikely to get very far with your assertions with the folks on this thread. I think the most you can do is pray that Holy Spirit leads all of us into HIS TRUTH on such matters.
And, I refer to the earlier post I made minutes ago.
I agree he's a good guy.
I'm glad he doesn't take mildly snipey jabs at his wife in his sermons any more.
He appears to be growing in the Lord and that's all we can expect of any of us!
Well said about the state of America's spiritual health.
BTW, I need your email addy again to my email, please--lost alllllll my full backups on each of 3 HD's. so far. Recovery has proven impossible but still trying. Prayer would be nice for that! LOL.
PRECIOUIS BROTHER,
Disgruntled, curmudgeonly, sternness etc. CAN be somewhat flavors of SOME prophetic types in some contexts and callings.
They can also be hallmarks of believers who've not been through enough fiery furnaces yet and been shown enough of their own flaws yet.
I believe we must be increasingly careful to insure that we are not censuring someone whom Holy Spirit is using. . . particularly without Holy Spirit's express orders to do so.
I believe that Joel's confessions regarding Jesus coming in the flesh and the rest of the basic doctrines as well as the abundant healthy fruit of his labors puts him squarely in Jesus' camp. Therefore, if you feel compelled to throw rocks at him, you might be wise to take the rocks to Jesus first and ask Him where on Joel's body HE WANTS the rock to hit. I suspect He'll encourage you to do the same thing with your rocks as those religious leaders did with theirs when Jesus asked for the one without sin to throw the first stone.
Catholic doctrine is hardly warm and fuzzy. It's difficult and demanding. The "rapture" is an equally "warm and fuzzy" notion that contradicts scripture, which dictates that the good will survive the tribulation but be martyred by the anti-christ.
The anti-christ is not going to be a pope. It's theologically impossible. Jesus Christ is the Temple. The abomination in the Temple will come as a result of the anti-Christ re-building the Temple and seating himself upon the throne to be worshiped. The anti-christ will have all the appearance and outward qualities of a Messiah, but will be Satan in disguise. Since Christ IS the Temple, there cannot BE another Temple. If another Temple is built, God cannot possibly theologically be worshiped therein, since He is already embodied by Christ. So whatever is worshiped within the Temple, by definition, HAS to be an abomination, since it cannot possibly be God, but Satan.
This is where the wheels fall off for those who oppose Catholicism or simply do not understand Church theology.
God has been PRESENT among His believers in one form or another going back to Moses and the Holy of Holies. God remained present in the Holy of Holies until Christ, who personifed the Temple, promised to be torn down, and thereupon "rebuilt" in three days. Those three days are the only period since the time of Moses in which the presence of God left His people. Theologically, upon the rebuilding of the Temple (i.e., JESUS resurrected), it becomes utterly indefensible to come to the conclusion that Jesus, upon ascending to Heaven, essentially "folded up the Temple" and left no physical place for man to worship Him.
Flashback to the Last Supper: "This is my body... this is the blood of the NEW covenant...do this in memory of Me." Not "do this in memory of Me a few more times, then stop", not "do this in memory of Me until you're dead and gone, then it will be a footnote in salvation history".
No, the Eucharistic Supper went much further than preserving the Temple that is Christ merely in Jerusalem. The Eucharistic Supper, by virtue of transubstantiation, made it possible for the Temple to be present in every tabernacle across the globe. The Old Testament Temple was a specific structure built among and accessible to God's chosen - the Jews. The message of salvation, however, was to be spread to the gentile nations. The merciful Father, it can be reasonably concluded, would not provide his physical presence to the Jews, then deny it in the person of Christ among the gentiles and beyond. The Temple that is Christ, is accessible to all Christians in the Catholic tabernacle. By definition, He is not physically accessible in any other tabernacle since no Protestant demonination believes that God has given to the world what He gave to the Jews - His holy, physical presence among believers. Protestant may believe Christ is spiritually present, yet that usurps the primary role of the Holy Spirit. Christ ascended to Heaven, yet by the miracle of transubstantiation, He is still physically among us. The sacrifice at Mass is not a re-Crucifixion of Our Lord, but a presentation to God - who in Eternity is witnessing Jesus' ministry, Crucifixion, and resurrection simultaneously - of that which took place on Calvary. Jesus Christ died once, but His sacrifice is for Eternity. Jesus gave us His body and blood. He gave it to us under the species of bread and wine - the work of human hands.
Didn't get far with the Ukraine link yet. Thanks for the summary. Very blessed by it.
Am still awash in computer problems etc.
LUB
I agree. Many times God does things that way.
THX.
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